meeting today - Elegant MVC with Spark

[Eric Hexter]

September Meeting

When: 9/1/2010 12:00 - 1:00 PM CDT (Live Meeting) Download the live meeting client here.

Topic: Elegant MVC with Spark - The way views were meant to be

Many developers are desperately unsure when it comes to choosing a view engine to use when building MVC applications. A lot of them liked it better when there was only one the choose from with ASP.NET MVC, while others didn’t really like the idea of being saddled with the WebForms baggage they’d heard about or worked with in traditional ASP.NET. Many are now looking to Razor to save the day, but most haven't yet seen what's been sitting right under their noses.

When it comes to the Spark View Engine, you can easily go back to true separation of concerns between View and Controller. Come along and watch demonstrations of seldom used, but powerful features of Spark including:

• Bindings support for more elegant looking HTML
• Transportation of your views client-side via JavaScript for faster pages
• Integration with and migration to FubuMVC

Speaker: Robert Greyling

Rob Greyling is just a plain old professional developer and technology addict like many of you, and is trying to get by with a massive technology menu to choose from in front of him. He is also the co-founder of two start-ups, one of which is a small consulting business that focusses on delivering robust and tailored solutions in the UK Banking and Insurance sectors, and the other is a brand new work in progress called cozwecan.com which hopes to make a small splash some time this year. He is an avid technologist and enjoys coding in various languages although .NET C# is still responsible for bringing home the bacon.

Eric Hexter

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[djy...@gmail.com]

In fact I think the MVC of dotnet havn't not enough mature to use.....

 

Don't you think?

[Chi Chan]

I don't agree with that. A lot of people are using it.

In terms of development speed it may not be as awesome as other
popular frameworks, but in terms of using it in production I don't see
the "why not".

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> In fact I think the MVC of dotnet havn't not enough mature to use.....
>

> Don't you[?] think?
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[djy...@gmail.com]

my means every upgrade the MVC has large change,maybe now you use a function many times,and next version is havn't....

and i think the validation framework in MVC is too bad.not as good as self's code...

of course,every product want to as a silver bullet,but in every details work it's not enough good.

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[Nilsson, Johan]

Maaan I really wanted to check this out but couldn't quite understand
what time it was going to be in GMT+1, i'm in Sweden : /

Couldn't quite make out what cdt whas, perhaps use gmt for further events?

Best regards

[Mike Scott]

Wow, what a coincidence! I logged in an hour late, just as the event was
finishing, for the same reason. I could still hear people talk and raised a
question about giving the time in UTC (~GMT) but no-one answered.

So +1 for the suggestion to state times in UTC. You can include a local time
as well, but please include the UTC time.

Cheers,

Mike.

[Mayank Srivastava]

My disagree I friend  on the versioning part.
 
For the validation framework, if you intend to say - I do not use the out of the box stuff coz it's not cool enough, I'd say - I do too.
Never used it when I did previous frameworks, will not use it with the next cool framework, coz that's how I roll! I like to build my custom infrastructure in the framework which is efficient, elegant and Cool!
 
However I'll be interested to know the better out of the box validation frameworks if you've come across.

 

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 10:00:57 +0800
Subject: Re: [c4mvc] Re: meeting today - Elegant MVC with Spark
From: djy...@gmail.com
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[Quentin Blacklock]

CDT = Central Daylight Time = Central Time Zone of the United States,
Daylight Savings Time = GMT - 5

CST = Central Standard Time = Central Time Zone of the United States =
GMT - 6

Quentin

[Valentin Plamadeala]

I think there is going to be a video uploaded for this in the future,
anyway I didn't liked this viewengine, probably it is useful for jsp guys and ppl that like to write lots of xml

[Nilsson, Johan]

hehe typical of americans to specify central standard time as central
time zone of united states, why not use greenwidge as everyone else? :
) just joking ^^

[Jordan Day]

In defense of the USA, Americans aren't the only ones who do that:
http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/au/cst.html

[Valentin Plamadeala]

europeans CET Central European Time (which is GMT +1 :D)

[Mike Scott]

Hi Quentin

Thanks for that. Sure, anyone could figure it out. I knew what the offset
was, but for some reason I had goofed up on the mental calc. But why not
quote the time in something universal, i.e. UTC? Everyone's time zone is
offset from that. Quoting the time *only* in a particular local time zone
just makes it more complex and thus error-prone to convert to a different
time zone.

[Eric Hexter]

Hey guys,

I will add a link from the website to a timezone converter to make it easier for everyone. Sorry for those who missed it. I really had no idea of how international the group would become.

[Tuna Toksoz]

Google Calendar can adjust timezones

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[George Mauer]

In defense of the USA, CST is actually an unusual timezone to specify within america too, you usually to EST or PST.  CST is simply where Eric is located. 

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[John Leger]

Thinking out loud here but when dealing with a global audience ... need to stop there and research ...peace

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[djy...@gmail.com]

I suggest to recording every meeting!

 

The time zone is a question,E.g.9/1/2010 12:00 - 1:00 PM CDT convert to Beijing time,it's 9/2/2010 1:00 - 2:00 AM,and that time I 'm sleeping...,if someone can recording the meeting,I can watch when I get up.haha~,and when I can send you about something I think...

It's seems so better,I think many bodys agree with me.....

[Mike Scott]

Yeah, it’s amazing, apparently there are other countries out there beyond the US borders and, get this... the inter tubes are connected to them!

[Valentin Plamadeala]

Hey guys,
sorry for spamming :)

but I think that I made the most awesome survey app on asp.net-mvc in the world,
it's better than google forms :)

http://surveymaster.codeplex.com/

(in case you wanna see it)

video presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-JyCH0OVJQ

[djy...@gmail.com]

It seems so well,Thank you!

 

2010/9/7 Valentin Plamadeala <vnex...@gmail.com>

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[Valentin Plamadeala]

You're welcome, djy365 :)

[Dave Hanna]

To Eric or whoever runs the site:

I got a solicitation for a webinar or some such the other day. Next to the
time of the event in whatever time zone it was (PDT, I think, but it doesn't
matter), there was a dropdown box with a label that said "Show in my time
zone", and let you select the time zone, and then converted it. I haven't
thought about it, but I'm sure it wouldn't take that many lines of
javascript to implement it.!

That might be a nice touch, especially considering the international
audience.

[Alexey Kuzmin]

I am at UTC +10 also missed this event. It would be grate to have recording of that.

[sohel shaikh]

ThAnKs Valentin Plamadeala for making SurveyMaster as an open source.  It's dream come to true after analyzing your code seriously MVC Rocks  

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[Javier Lozano]

Hi Dave,

That's a good idea - we're in the process of making a new website so
we'll add that feature to the backlog.

As Eric mentioned earlier when we started this a few months back, we
didn't know it was going to be this big. As for the reason why time is
12:00 PM CDT (US Central Daylight Time) is because both Eric and I are
on that time zone and it's during our lunch hour :)

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[Mike Scott]

Adding a time zone conversion would be a nice touch, but really all you need
is to state both the US CDT time and UTC. I'm sure everyone knows their own
offset from UTC and is accustomed to doing the conversion.

[Antony Scott]

How about using this website in future?

http://everytimezone.com/

[Eric Hexter]

That site throws a javascript error for me.

Eric Hexter

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[Stephen Bohlen]

"Works on My Machine" but all the same I'd just recommend that all times simply be provided only in GMT/UTC (and obviously noted as such wherever mentioned).  Converting from UTC to local time in your head seems to me to be something that near-all of the intended audience for C4MVC should be able to do for themselves :)

(instead, I recommend limited resources be focused elsewhere on more valuable items that can't simply be solved with a stated and consistently adhered to policy).

My $0.02 ...oh, wait...is that USD or CDN...? :P

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[djy...@gmail.com]

I think is USD ^_^

2010/9/8 Stephen Bohlen <sbo...@gmail.com>

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[djy...@gmail.com]

How about LeadNT.NET?

2010/9/7 Antony Scott <antony...@ntlworld.com>

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[djy...@gmail.com]

hi,guys,can you tell me what website about .net are you used to visit?

[Valentin Plamadeala]

stackoverflow.com
codeplex.com
c4mvc.net
channel9.msdn.com

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hi,guys,can you tell me what website about .net are you used to visit?

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[djy...@gmail.com]

thanks!

2010/9/14 Valentin Plamadeala <vnex...@gmail.com>

[Valentin Plamadeala]

:) forgot about http://www.lostechies.com/
SOLID principles - very good

[George Mauer]

Codebetter.com
Devlicio.us
Elegantcode
Ted neward's blog
Ward bell's blog
Udi dahan's blog

Infoq - has more good information than you could possibly process

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> :) forgot about http://www.lostechies.com/
> SOLID principles - very good
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>> thanks!
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[杜建宇]

thank you !

 

 

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Date:  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 09:06 PM

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Subject:  Re: [c4mvc] Re: meeting today - Elegant MVC with Spark

[Tuna Toksoz]

Just in case it hasn't been written: lostechies.com

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