[C320-list] Fw: PHRF

[CARY DENNIS LOWE]

Hi Guys:

I would like to know the PHRF ratings for the Catalina 320 around the country. I would also like to know if there is any compensation for a wing keel? I'm in the San Francisco bay area and my rating is 159.

Thanks
Dennis Lowe

"Grace Kellie" sail #971

[Andrew Santangelo]

Hello Dennis,

As I am looking at getting my PHRF rating in the bay area soon, and I
was curious to see your PHRF Number there.

Now, while on Lake Michigan (Holland, Michigan) my PHRF rating was 156
first with a wing keel. It then dropped I believe two seconds when I
went to a fin keel, but then they bumped me back up to 156 with the
fin and it held that number for good - and it was the same wing or
fin! That MAY have changed now.

I would have loved to have had a 159 rating in the past. There were
some long distance races I lost first by just seconds.

Either way some areas do not differentiate wing or fin, or only
separate them by a couple of seconds. HOWEVER, there is a huge
advantage fin over wing. Also, a folding prop vs. non-folding only
has a slight difference in the handicap, but again the folding prop
provides a huge advantage. Lastly, PHRF assumes a full complement of
sails, racing sails, racing sheets and halyards, back stay adjuster
and the stock boat design. Hence if you use Dacron sails with stock
sheets and halyards, you will be at an immediate disadvantage in any
race. There is no allowance for non-racing gear.

Now if you are out for fun and not trying to win, then this does not
matter really.

BTW - are you doing the "Fiasco" race? I was hoping to this year, but
my vessel is not in full racing form yet. I hope to ramp up this
spring.

Best Regards,
Andrew
C320 "Dawn Treader"
#333
Pier 39

[CARY DENNIS LOWE]

Hi Andrew:

My rating was 165. I finished last all last year in our weekly beer can race. I did install a feathering prop and that did help with the speed. However for installing the prop you need to remove 5 seconds off your rating.

If you are ever in the Redwood City on a Wednesday night stop by the Sequoia Yacht club and you can jump on my boat for a sail and a beer. It's allot different sailing in the south bay.

Dennis

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From: Andrew Santangelo <andrew_s...@mac.com>
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Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 7:22:23 PM
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Fw: PHRF

[Karl Mielenhausen _/)]

NC-PHRF has my rating at 171.

That is with the wing keel, 135% Jib on a furler, and 3-blade sea anchor
(fixed pitch prop).
The base rating is 159.
I do not believe that NC-PHRF differentiates between the fin and wing
keels for the C320 but they do for some of the other Catalinas. Perhaps
they have yet to rate a fin version.

The allowance I get for the prop (6 seconds/mile) is nowhere near what it
usually costs me, especially when the winds are light. And that's mainly
why I don't race this boat.

Karl

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Karl Mielenhausen
Catalina 320 Hull 690

[frp...@earthlink.net]

Hi Dennis, I'm also in SF area. Fin Keel, 110 jib, standard main. 2009
PHRF 159

Mike Meloy
"Even Keel" sail #769

[pat reynolds]

local phrf ratings differ around the country. The ratings ideally are supposed to represent the average performance of the particular boat over time in the prevailing local conditions. The California rating was 150 with additions for the wing keel and three bladed prop. Here on Lake Michigan our rating is 156 with the wing. This year they have added 3 seconds for roller furling. The base rating is a spinnaker rating. Our jib and main rating or non spinnaker on Lake Michigan is 171

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[CARY DENNIS LOWE]

Thanks Pat!

I appreciate the information.

Dennis

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From: pat reynolds <lora...@yahoo.com>
To: C320...@Catalina320.com
Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 10:38:09 AM

[Amirault Family - S&B]

Dennis:
Bear sails the Ottawa River in Ontario Canada, has a wing keel and is PHRFed
at 165. This with a 150 headsail and feathering prop. She is not equipped
for racing and yields the results you would expect. Winning is an intense
thrill.I have been told. Fun is still had by the entire crew even as we know
that we represent a movable obstacle around which more mobile skippers can
hone their helming skills.
We don't finish last.
Brian Amirault
Senior Analyst RCMP Pay Systems
PDP III 9B1, Gatineau, P.Q.
(819) 956-0306

[mom...@aol.com]

On Lake St. Clair my rating is: base 159 add 6 for roller furling. That is 165 for fin keel, all racing sails, prop, etc. I believe the wing keels get 6 sec. credit.

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[Larry Frank]

On the Gulf Coast of Texas I have had a rating anywhere from 165 - 180. The
higher ratings were given to account for cruising boats that do not have all
the goodies PHFR assumes. Basis for the rating:

Non-Spinnaker
Roller Furling 135 Genoa maximum
Wing Keel
Feathering Prop

Larry
WindSwept
C320 #246

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[pat reynolds]

Dennis, be happy with that rating. If you check US Sailing phrf you will see that that is the highest phrf given for the 320. I believe SF has their own phrf organization.

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