[C320-list] Changing Oil in the Perkins M30

[GREG SUTTON]

There must be a easier way to change the oil in the Perkins M30. I have a simple hand suction pump and have tried pulling oil from the dip stick tube and a port on the left side of the engine. It's always hit or miss and I never seem to be able to get all the oil out. Does anyone else have a successful technique?
Thanks
Greg #128

[rr...@pillerross.com]

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[Jane & Ken]

Greg,  oil changing is very simple on the perkins----on the starboard side very low on the engine is a tube that leads to the bottom oil pan.. suction is easy and complete.  We used it for 14 years without any problems..

--- On Mon, 6/10/13, GREG SUTTON <sut...@msn.com> wrote:

From: GREG SUTTON <sut...@msn.com>
Subject: [C320-list] Changing Oil in the Perkins M30

[Warren Updike]

Greg, I have no problem extracting the oil. I use the tube on the starboard
side of the engine ahead of the oil filter. The trick may be to not use a
flexible dip-stick hose but a threaded/barb. Screw the barb into the tube
and push the hose on the barb. You can use any type of pump appropriate for
oil.
I have hand pump from WM that is light and all plastic. I always get at
least 3-1/2 qts out, usually more. It probably depends on how much oil has
been burned.
HarborFreight.com has an electric pump kit #66784 for $130, or just a simple
pump #9576 for $30. You'll spend just a much for a hand pump.
Now, changing the oil is a different matter. I've tried several
recommendations and still make a mess. Mounting an oil filter horizontally
in a tight space is a sin. I've looked for remote oil filter kits, but
can't figure out where to mount the ^%$^*( thing in the engine space. Any
ideas on this task will be appreciated by all we Perkins owners.

Warren & Pattie Updike
1994 C320 #62 "Warr De Mar"

-----Original Message-----
From: GREG SUTTON [mailto:sut...@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 9:30 PM
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Subject: [C320-list] Changing Oil in the Perkins M30

[GREG SUTTON]

Thanks I appreciate your input

[Alan Goodman]

Warren - Great suggestion using the tube as a 'vacuum extension'. I've always fished my oil pump's small flexible hose down the dip stick tube. My only challenge (which can take considerable time to get the 'just right' placement) is getting the tube past the screen in the pan (not to confuse anyone, the screen is not over the tube opening). If you are getting 3 1/2 qts out through the tube, and assume something slightly less than 1/2 qt in the filter, you are pretty much draining the pan dry since 4 qts is a full fill. I should have added an oil drain kit by replacing my drain pan plug when I had the engine jacked up for motor mounts. I have seen on Hunters a neat set up with a small electric oil change pump (not vacuum) permanently installed and directly piped to pan sump. Very cool (a separate topic, Hunters have some very cool features and do not seem to receive the respect they deserve. Like Catalinas used to be, well targeted towards a specific type of customer and price point. Anyone care to comment?). Where did you get the rubber barb, do you have a p/n?


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[Alan Goodman]

As part of my Spring launch, I did my annual safety check. Life jacket inflating cylinder expiration, boat registration and other documentation aboard and current, fire extinguisher inspection, first aid kit inspection and restock, etc. I also checked the expiration of my 'visual distress signals' (CG parlance for flares). While I replace at the beginning of each boating season any flares that have expired since the end of the prior season or will expire before end of this season, I keep the expired flares in a separate storage container as back up/extras. Last week I decided I could only carry around so many back ups/extras so I culled out the oldest 12 GA Olin aerial flares and brought them home to test. (disclaimer, home is 25 miles from the closest body of navigable water) Keep in mind these back up/extras were properly stored in the boat and not exposed to any rain, water splash, salt air air (thanks to being in MI), etc. I fired four (4) flares, each with an expiration date of June 2010. (first cock hammer, then pull trigger) All four launched upon the first shot, however none of the flares 'lit up'. No tracer arc, just a thud down range 7 seconds after firing confirming the tracer charge landing intact. (FYI, the entire plastic shell remains in the gun, only the tracer charge flies) I surmise the firing pin on the hammer ignites the launching charge and, when working properly, the launching charge then ignites the tracer charge. Perhaps the tracer charge 'went bad' during the approximately 6 year time period since manufacture? Point is, don't rely upon expired flares ... forget about the possible CG citation ... imagine the consequences if you need to seriously attract attention. My curiosity having been aroused, I will take home and test some 12 gauge flares that expired in March 2013 along with several night and smoke hand helds with various expiration dates and report back to the forum. If you can conduct tests on your surplus back ups and report on the forum, this might provide some interesting information.

[Chris Burti]

I did the same test two years ago. All tested flares were over five
years out of date. I carefully inspected every tested flares and
separated them into three arbitrary groups. First group showed no
degradation whatsoever. Second group showed tarnished or oxidized base,
but no degradation of the shell tube. Third group showed degradation of
the tube.

No failures in first group of ten. Second group of five had one failure
as described by Alan. Third group of seven all failed but one. Two of
those did as Alan described, the rest were duds. The one that fired
appeared weak

I used a portable propane torch to 'neutralize' all flares prior to
disposal (fire department).

Now I only keep flares that appear as new, in a container marked
EXPIRED. I'm thinking of getting a metal ammunition can. In the event
of an 'incident', the hot metal slag generated would burn through my
current plastic cases in no time if the flares didn't.
Thanks, Chris Burti From: Alan Goodman
Sent: 6/12/2013 4:39 PM
To: c320...@lists.catalina320.com
Subject: [C320-list] aerial flares - interesting fact

[Warren Updike]

Alan, I found the threaded barb in our marina store. I took the plug from
the tube with me and matched the threads to the barb and to the hose to the
pump. I don't have the dimensions; but, it is apparently a standard size.
I wasn't aware the Perkins even had a drain plug on the pan. I'd be
concerned about a permanent hose connection to the pan; but, that's just me.
Warren