Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4868, Issue 1

[Richard Sloop via C320-list]

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> 1. Re: Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector (Greg Arnold)
> 2. Re: Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector (Troy Dunn)
> 3. Re: Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector (Greg Arnold)
> 4. Re: Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector (bruceheyman)
> 5. Re: Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector (surprise thompson87.com)
> 6. Re: Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector (Tim Van de Water)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 17:56:48 -0700
> From: Greg Arnold <greg-...@gmx.com>
> To: C320...@Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector
> Message-ID: <251e82d0-42b6-441e...@gmx.com>
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> I don't understand how a tighter backstay can affect the mainsail trim
> on a 320.? That is because the 320 mast is a telephone pole that will
> not bend.? If the mast will not bend, I don't understand what would
> cause the sail to be flatter.
>
> A tighter backstay will, however, tighten the headstay and reduce
> headstay sag to leeward.? That will flatten the jib, causing the boat to
> point higher and heel less. In addition, by removing some headstay sag,
> it will cause the telltales to be more visible from the windward cockpit
> coaming.
>
> La Mer #1054
>
>
>
> On 6/4/2025 12:12 PM, Dan Winsor via C320-list wrote:
> > We also installed the rigging mods as per 320 assoc.
> > We feel that we can point higher but..... it's debatable.
> > We can definitely flatten our main using the backstay adjuster to sail
> > close hauled in 15-20's making solid 7+ with comfortable trim/heel.
> > Dan Winsor
> > Lucky Devil #109
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 4, 2025, 17:31 P.F. Ross via C320-list <
> > c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jack, thanks for asking that question.
> >>
> >> I added the backstay adjuster and forestay toggle decades ago per the
> "Rig
> >> Tune and Sail Selection" Mark Yeager article on the Association's
> website
> >> (posted in "Technical Articles")
> >>
> >> IIRC, the whole reason for the backstay adjuster on the 320 is not to
> bend
> >> the mast, but "opening the luff and closing the leech" in light air
> which
> >> should allow the boat to point higher. And somewhere I read that the
> 320
> >> mast is not very "bendy" so the adjuster has minimal effect on that.
> >>
> >> I am a cruiser and not a racer and can say I rarely, if ever, adjust my
> >> backstay. Sometimes I do it just to see if it makes any difference.
> All
> >> just my $.02 and am looking forward to hearing from others who have
> >> different experiences.
> >>
> >> Frank Ross
> >> Beta Wave #206
> >> Naples, FL
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 10:53?AM Jack Brennan via C320-list <
> >> c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Okay, here is the dumb question of the day. How useful is a backstay
> >>> adjuster? Is it mostly for racing, or is there an advantage that I just
> >>> don't see for the average cruiser who doesn't tend to his sails
> >> religiously?
> >>> I get that you can induce some mast bend, which would put a belly in
> the
> >>> main. But I can already do that with the boom vang, topping lift,
> >>> mainsheet, etc.
> >>>
> >>> I would also worry about putting extra stress on the standing rigging.
> >>>
> >>> Jack Brennan
> >>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> >>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 21:24:02 -0400
> From: Troy Dunn <troutw...@gmail.com>
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector
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> Greg
>
> I?m pretty sure the mast bends aft when tension is apply to the aft stay.
>
> FWIW
>
> Troy Dunn
> Hull #514
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 18:38:05 -0700
> From: Greg Arnold <greg-...@gmx.com>
> To: Troy Dunn <troutw...@gmail.com>, C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector
> Message-ID: <a1cc2f42-6c1c-49f0...@gmx.com>
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> I am skeptical.
>
> You need force at three points on a mast to bent it.?? You have force at
> two points -- at the masthead and at the mast step at the deck. What if
> providing force at a third point?
>
> If the forward lowers are really tight, maybe they would provide enough
> force to provide a little bend?? But I doubt it would be much bend.
>
>
>
> On 6/4/2025 6:24 PM, Troy Dunn wrote:
> > Greg
> >
> > I?m pretty sure the mast bends aft when tension is apply to the aft stay.
> >
> > FWIW
> >
> > Troy Dunn
> > Hull #514
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 02:14:01 +0000 (UTC)
> From: bruceheyman <bruce...@cox.net>
> To: "c320...@catalina320.com" <c320...@catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector
> Message-ID: <5726994.98259...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> HI Greg,It may feel like a telephone but it will bend!? ? By having
> tension on the fore lower when you crank down on the back stay the middle
> of the mast will pretty much stay where it was but the top will move aft.?
> ?This has the effect of "pulling" the draft out of the sail.? ?If you try
> it you can go forward and sight up the mast and see what I'm describing
> (probably poorly describing).BruceSomerset San Pedro, CA
> On Wednesday, June 4, 2025 at 07:07:49 PM PDT, Greg Arnold via
> C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> I don't understand how a tighter backstay can affect the mainsail trim
> on a 320.? That is because the 320 mast is a telephone pole that will
> not bend.? If the mast will not bend, I don't understand what would
> cause the sail to be flatter.
>
> A tighter backstay will, however, tighten the headstay and reduce
> headstay sag to leeward.? That will flatten the jib, causing the boat to
> point higher and heel less. In addition, by removing some headstay sag,
> it will cause the telltales to be more visible from the windward cockpit
> coaming.
>
> La Mer #1054
>
>
>
> On 6/4/2025 12:12 PM, Dan Winsor via C320-list wrote:
> > We also installed the rigging mods as per 320 assoc.
> > We feel that we can point higher but..... it's debatable.
> > We can definitely flatten our main using the backstay adjuster to sail
> > close hauled in 15-20's making solid 7+ with comfortable trim/heel.
> > Dan Winsor
> > Lucky Devil #109
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 4, 2025, 17:31 P.F. Ross via C320-list <
> > c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jack, thanks for asking that question.
> >>
> >> I added the backstay adjuster and forestay toggle decades ago per the
> "Rig
> >> Tune and Sail Selection" Mark Yeager article on the Association's
> website
> >> (posted in "Technical Articles")
> >>
> >> IIRC, the whole reason for the backstay adjuster on the 320 is not to
> bend
> >> the mast, but "opening the luff and closing the leech" in light air
> which
> >> should allow the boat to point higher.? And somewhere I read that the
> 320
> >> mast is not very "bendy" so the adjuster has minimal effect on that.
> >>
> >> I am a cruiser and not a racer and can say I rarely, if ever, adjust my
> >> backstay.? Sometimes I do it just to see if it makes any difference.?
> All
> >> just my $.02 and am looking forward to hearing from others who have
> >> different experiences.
> >>
> >> Frank Ross
> >> Beta Wave #206
> >> Naples, FL
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 10:53?AM Jack Brennan via C320-list <
> >> c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Okay, here is the dumb question of the day. How useful is a backstay
> >>> adjuster? Is it mostly for racing, or is there an advantage that I just
> >>> don't see for the average cruiser who doesn't tend to his sails
> >> religiously?
> >>> I get that you can induce some mast bend, which would put a belly in
> the
> >>> main. But I can already do that with the boom vang, topping lift,
> >>> mainsheet, etc.
> >>>
> >>> I would also worry about putting extra stress on the standing rigging.
> >>>
> >>> Jack Brennan
> >>> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> >>> Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 03:16:50 +0000
> From: surprise thompson87.com <surp...@thompson87.com>
> To: "C320...@catalina320.com" <C320...@catalina320.com>
> Cc: Troy Dunn <troutw...@gmail.com>, Greg Arnold
> <greg-...@gmx.com>, "C320...@catalina320.com"
> <C320...@catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector
> Message-ID: <0AA9D6A5-BB89-482A...@thompson87.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Where the lower forward shrouds attach.
>
> > On Jun 4, 2025, at 9:39?PM, Greg Arnold via C320-list <
> c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I am skeptical.
> >
> > You need force at three points on a mast to bent it. You have force at
> two points -- at the masthead and at the mast step at the deck. What if
> providing force at a third point?
> >
> > If the forward lowers are really tight, maybe they would provide enough
> force to provide a little bend? But I doubt it would be much bend.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 6/4/2025 6:24 PM, Troy Dunn wrote:
> >> Greg
> >>
> >> I?m pretty sure the mast bends aft when tension is apply to the aft
> stay.
> >>
> >> FWIW
> >>
> >> Troy Dunn
> >> Hull #514
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2025 09:24:04 -0400
> From: Tim Van de Water <tj.van...@gmail.com>
> To: "C320...@catalina320.com" <C320...@catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector
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> I find added forstay tension helps flatten the jib during higher winds to
> reduce weather helm.
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* C320-list <c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of
> P.F. Ross via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 4, 2025 12:30:52 PM
> *To:* C320...@catalina320.com <C320...@catalina320.com>
> *Cc:* P.F. Ross <pfr...@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [C320-list] Back Stay Adjuster/Radar reflector
>
> Jack, thanks for asking that question.
>
> I added the backstay adjuster and forestay toggle decades ago per the "Rig
> Tune and Sail Selection" Mark Yeager article on the Association's website
> (posted in "Technical Articles")
>
> IIRC, the whole reason for the backstay adjuster on the 320 is not to bend
> the mast, but "opening the luff and closing the leech" in light air which
> should allow the boat to point higher. And somewhere I read that the 320
> mast is not very "bendy" so the adjuster has minimal effect on that.
>
> I am a cruiser and not a racer and can say I rarely, if ever, adjust my
> backstay. Sometimes I do it just to see if it makes any difference. All
> just my $.02 and am looking forward to hearing from others who have
> different experiences.
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
> Naples, FL
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 10:53?AM Jack Brennan via C320-list <
> c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay, here is the dumb question of the day. How useful is a backstay
> > adjuster? Is it mostly for racing, or is there an advantage that I just
> > don't see for the average cruiser who doesn't tend to his sails
> religiously?
> >
> > I get that you can induce some mast bend, which would put a belly in the
> > main. But I can already do that with the boom vang, topping lift,
> > mainsheet, etc.
> >
> > I would also worry about putting extra stress on the standing rigging.
> >
> > Jack Brennan
> > Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> > Tierra Verde, Fl.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
>
>
> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 4868, Issue 1
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>

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[Troy Dunn via C320-list]

Richard

You are responding to a digest thread which is probably why the webmaster
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Sorry for your loss. Hopefully she found a great new owner.

Regards

Troy Dunn
Hull #514

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