[C320-list] Anchoring

[james_delong]

Another easy way to use the kettle approach is simply buy a 20 or so pound
mushroom anchor and tie it, from an 8 ft. line, to the anchor line about 10
feet in front of the bow. (Tie it at the bow and let another 10 ft. of rode
out is easier than reaching out 10 feet!) Will draw your anchor line down
enough so your rode swings under the wing keel.

Jim #453

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> 1. Re: anchoring (Chef Adam Weiner)
> 2. Re: anchoring (Bruce Stanley)
> 3. Main Hatch Handle Leaking (Joe Abbagnaro)
> 4. Re: anchoring (Joe Abbagnaro)
> 5. Re: anchoring (sho...@aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 21:14:42 -0700
> From: "Chef Adam Weiner" <esquire...@rcn.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] anchoring
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>
> I normally don't anchor out, I usually just return home, go to another
> yacht
> club, pick up a buoy, etc.
>
> The last time (before yesterday) that I anchored out was several years
> ago.
> At that time the anchor rode (which is a non-floating line) wrapped around
> the keel. We went to leave at slack water so we just let out a bunch more
> rode and the line dropped off the keel.
>
> Yesterday we anchored in 6 feet of water at low tide over mud. Claw style
> anchor. At high tide water would be 10 feet deep and with the distance
> from
> bow to water of about 3 feet I let out 30 feet of chain and about 70 feet
> of
> rode. There are strong currents in this anchorage. You guessed it. This
> morning the rode was wrapped around the keel I knew this was the case when
> I
> stuck my nose of deck since we were facing a different direction then
> every
> other boat in the anchorage.
>
> I have never heard of this before, and have only met only one other person
> who said that one time in a group trip one boat had the same problem,
> ironically (and he didn't think there was any connection) it was a
> Catalina.
>
> Any thoughts? I would anchor out more if this wasn't such a potential
> problem.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:32:07 +1000
> From: "Bruce Stanley" <brucest...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] anchoring
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
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> Hi Adam
> I use only chain. No wrapping.
> But then again, I admit to using the iron spinnaker more than you!
>
> Bruce Stanley
> Sydney
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Chef Adam Weiner
> <esquire...@rcn.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I normally don't anchor out, I usually just return home, go to another
>> yacht
>> club, pick up a buoy, etc.
>>
>> The last time (before yesterday) that I anchored out was several years
>> ago.
>> At that time the anchor rode (which is a non-floating line) wrapped
>> around
>> the keel. We went to leave at slack water so we just let out a bunch
>> more
>> rode and the line dropped off the keel.
>>
>> Yesterday we anchored in 6 feet of water at low tide over mud. Claw
>> style
>> anchor. At high tide water would be 10 feet deep and with the distance
>> from
>> bow to water of about 3 feet I let out 30 feet of chain and about 70 feet
>> of
>> rode. There are strong currents in this anchorage. You guessed it.
>> This
>> morning the rode was wrapped around the keel I knew this was the case
>> when
>> I
>> stuck my nose of deck since we were facing a different direction then
>> every
>> other boat in the anchorage.
>>
>> I have never heard of this before, and have only met only one other
>> person
>> who said that one time in a group trip one boat had the same problem,
>> ironically (and he didn't think there was any connection) it was a
>> Catalina.
>>
>> Any thoughts? I would anchor out more if this wasn't such a potential
>> problem.
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:17:14 -0400
> From: "Joe Abbagnaro" <jabb...@gmail.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Main Hatch Handle Leaking
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> Hi
>
> My Main hatch the handle is leaking. I tried to tighten the handle but
> is still leaks.
> I assume there is an O ring in the handle like the side hatches, I
> have left over O rings form
> the side hatches anyone know if they are the same size, or what size O
> rings the main hatch will need.
>
> Joe
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:24:26 -0400
> From: "Joe Abbagnaro" <jabb...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] anchoring
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
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> Hi
>
> The first time we anchored this happened to us
> I let out 15 feet of chanin and 60 feet of rode and we got wrapped up.
> If you have opposing wind and currents I am told this is easy to do.
>
> I recently picked up 80 feet of 1/4 inch chain at WM they had it on
> sale for 30% off.
> I have been told this should solve he problem of keel wrap.
>
> Joe
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Bruce Stanley <brucest...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi Adam
>> I use only chain. No wrapping.
>> But then again, I admit to using the iron spinnaker more than you!
>>
>> Bruce Stanley
>> Sydney
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Chef Adam Weiner
>> <esquire...@rcn.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I normally don't anchor out, I usually just return home, go to another
>>> yacht
>>> club, pick up a buoy, etc.
>>>
>>> The last time (before yesterday) that I anchored out was several years
>>> ago.
>>> At that time the anchor rode (which is a non-floating line) wrapped
>>> around
>>> the keel. We went to leave at slack water so we just let out a bunch
>>> more
>>> rode and the line dropped off the keel.
>>>
>>> Yesterday we anchored in 6 feet of water at low tide over mud. Claw
>>> style
>>> anchor. At high tide water would be 10 feet deep and with the distance
>>> from
>>> bow to water of about 3 feet I let out 30 feet of chain and about 70
>>> feet
>>> of
>>> rode. There are strong currents in this anchorage. You guessed it.
>>> This
>>> morning the rode was wrapped around the keel I knew this was the case
>>> when
>>> I
>>> stuck my nose of deck since we were facing a different direction then
>>> every
>>> other boat in the anchorage.
>>>
>>> I have never heard of this before, and have only met only one other
>>> person
>>> who said that one time in a group trip one boat had the same problem,
>>> ironically (and he didn't think there was any connection) it was a
>>> Catalina.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts? I would anchor out more if this wasn't such a potential
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 08:54:57 -0400
> From: sho...@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] anchoring
> To: C320...@Catalina320.com
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>
> Anchor all the time (day, overnight, backwinded bays, etc) and (so far)
> hasn't happened once -- we have 15 ft of chain, rest nylon --?? I suspect
> just unlucky --
>
> PEH
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Abbagnaro <jabb...@gmail.com>
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 7:24 am
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] anchoring
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> The first time we anchored this happened to us
> I let out 15 feet of chanin and 60 feet of rode and we got wrapped up.
> If you have opposing wind and currents I am told this is easy to do.
>
> I recently picked up 80 feet of 1/4 inch chain at WM they had it on
> sale for 30% off.
> I have been told this should solve he problem of keel wrap.
>
> Joe
>
> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Bruce Stanley <brucest...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi Adam
>> I use only chain. No wrapping.
>> But then again, I admit to using the iron spinnaker more than you!
>>
>> Bruce Stanley
>> Sydney
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Chef Adam Weiner
>> <esquire...@rcn.com>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I normally don't anchor out, I usually just return home, go to another
>>> yacht
>>> club, pick up a buoy, etc.
>>>
>>> The last time (before yesterday) that I anchored out was several years
>>> ago.
>>> At that time the anchor rode (which is a non-floating line) wrapped
>>> around
>>> the keel. We went to leave at slack water so we just let out a bunch
>>> more
>>> rode and the line dropped off the keel.
>>>
>>> Yesterday we anchored in 6 feet of water at low tide over mud. Claw
>>> style
>>> anchor. At high tide water would be 10 feet deep and with the distance
>>> from
>>> bow to water of about 3 feet I let out 30 feet of chain and about 70
>>> feet
>>> of
>>> rode. There are strong currents in this anchorage. You guessed it.
>>> This
>>> morning the rode was wrapped around the keel I knew this was the case
>>> when
>>> I
>>> stuck my nose of deck since we were facing a different direction then
>>> every
>>> other boat in the anchorage.
>>>
>>> I have never heard of this before, and have only met only one other
>>> person
>>> who said that one time in a group trip one boat had the same problem,
>>> ironically (and he didn't think there was any connection) it was a
>>> Catalina.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts? I would anchor out more if this wasn't such a potential
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:34:33 -0400
> From: "Jon Vez" <jon...@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] anchoring
> To: <C320...@Catalina320.com>
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> Adam,
>
> Although this has never happened to me, I've seen a few posts here in the
> past on this happening...particularly with wing keels. More chain will
> certainly help, but another solution is to use a 'Kettle' on your road.
> Essentially a weight that you slide down the rode to keep it parallel to
> the
> sea floor. This increases holding power, and keeps the length of rode from
> your bow to the bottom more perpendicular to your keel. You can look at a
> product from NZ called the 'Kiwi Anchor Rider' or make one yourself by
> filling a coffee can with cement and imbedding an eye at the top....
>
> Regards,
>
> Jon Vez
> Solstice #582
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com] On Behalf Of Chef Adam
> Weiner
> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 12:15 AM
> To: C320...@Catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] anchoring
>
>
>
> I normally don't anchor out, I usually just return home, go to another
> yacht
> club, pick up a buoy, etc.
>
> The last time (before yesterday) that I anchored out was several years
> ago.
> At that time the anchor rode (which is a non-floating line) wrapped around
> the keel. We went to leave at slack water so we just let out a bunch more
> rode and the line dropped off the keel.
>
> Yesterday we anchored in 6 feet of water at low tide over mud. Claw style
> anchor. At high tide water would be 10 feet deep and with the distance
> from
> bow to water of about 3 feet I let out 30 feet of chain and about 70 feet
> of
> rode. There are strong currents in this anchorage. You guessed it. This
> morning the rode was wrapped around the keel I knew this was the case when
> I
> stuck my nose of deck since we were facing a different direction then
> every
> other boat in the anchorage.
>
> I have never heard of this before, and have only met only one other person
> who said that one time in a group trip one boat had the same problem,
> ironically (and he didn't think there was any connection) it was a
> Catalina.
>
> Any thoughts? I would anchor out more if this wasn't such a potential
> problem.
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:50:12 -0400
> From: sail...@aol.com
> Subject: [C320-list] Hooray for Catalina
> To: C320...@Catalina320.com
> Message-ID: <8CAE572A31F0...@WEBMAIL-MA12.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> In the past I have complained about Catalina's marketing strategy at boat
> shows. Last year they had literature which showed a boat show special
> price for the C320 of $110,000.00. However this price did not include
> freight, commisssioning, & bottom painting, as did Hunter & Beneteau. I
> felt that this was very misleading, & left you at the mercy of the dealer
> for these charges. This year at the Newport the boat show the price was
> $141,841.00 with these items included. Even though the prices may work out
> to the same, I feel that this is a much more honest approach to take.
> Lew
>
>
> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 216, Issue 1
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[Chef Adam Weiner]

Thanks. What I have found out through a lot of research is that (in spite
of someone saying this is bad luck) is that anchor rode wrapping around the
keel is not an uncommon issue for:

1. Anchoring in areas where the wind often opposes the current
2. Anchoring in areas where there is large wind shifts
3. Anchoring a boat with a lot of windage for its size.

Gee, all three apply to me.

Kellets, Riding Weights, and Sentinels (all three names are used) seem to
work well. The KIWI Anchor Rider seems to be a great product but major
overkill compared to your suggestion which I am going to try.

I am going to do a variation of your system which is to put the mushroom
anchor on a shackle and lower it down the rode on its own line. That will
give me a bit more control of it's placement.

Thanks to all again.

Adam

[warren updike]

The theory of the Kellet is that it is a weight deployed below the water to
a depth that exceeds that of your draft. It doesn't need to be a great
weight as it only functions when conditions are such that you experience a
slack rode. Think ours is a 13 lb mushroom anchor. When there is wind or
current causing strain on the rode there is no danger of fouling your keel
or rudder. Only when there is slack is a wrap possible. The kellet merely
holds the slack rode below the keel so if the prevailing forces cause the
boat to rotate around the slack rode, the rode is held below the keel and
rudder.

I have a mark on my kellet line at 5 feet, and use a snap shackle to attach
it to the rode. Unless the depth is less, I let the kellet out until the
mark is at the surface of the water. You don't want it on the bottom, just
below the keel.

We do a bit of rafting and always deploy the kellet as anchor boat as rafts
have a way of behaving contrary to expectations.

Warren & Pattie Updike
Catalina 320, #62, "Warr De Mar"
Middle River, Chesapeake Bay

[Chef Adam Weiner]

Sounds brilliant and I will try it. The only thing I think I might modify
is using an overly large shackle in the unlikely event I have to pull the
bitter end of the anchor rode around the keel again.

Just out of courisity, the Kiwi Anchor Rider and other devices recommend to
minimize other issues such as yawing and pitching to lower the weight nearly
to the sea floor. Any opinions on that from what you have done?

Thanks again,

[Chef Adam Weiner]

Sounds brilliant and I will try it. The only thing I think I might modify
is using an overly large shackle in the unlikely event I have to pull the
bitter end of the anchor rode around the keel again.

Just out of courisity, the Kiwi Anchor Rider and other devices recommend to
minimize other issues such as yawing and pitching to lower the weight nearly
to the sea floor. Any opinions on that from what you have done?

Thanks again,

Adam

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