[C320-list] Defrost fridge

[David Wellerstein via C320-list]

Hi all,

I have searched kinda high and low but coming up empty…

Looks like our freezer has quite a bit of ice on it so I’m assuming it’s time for defrosting. I also assume that I just shut it off, take out the stuff that’s in there (mostly drinks) and leave the fridge open.

Question: where does the water drain? Is there a drain at the bottom of the fridge? Sorry if this is really dumb but the manual says nothing!

As always, thanks in advance for your sage advice!

—David

’94 C320 “Dream Catcher” #118

David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)

[Dean Vermeire via C320-list]

On our 320 (#847), there was a wye valve under the head sink. One way drains the shower sump, the other way drains the fridge. Use the sump pump.

[Brian McLamb via C320-list]

There should be a drain under the fridge unit. Covered with a removable
plate that has drain holes in it. When you lift it out you will see the
drain hole at the bottom. To operate that you will find a Y valve under the
head sink. It controls which line the shared pump activates. One way drains
the fridge and the other drains the shower catch pan. It also requires the
switch on the front of the sink and the circuit breaker on the panel
labeled shower drain sump to be turned on. I still have to wipe down the
fridge interior and drain as not all water will be able to removed.
Brian McLamb
S/V Serenity # 1075

[a via C320-list]

David
First no need to empty the fridge unless you just want to clean it. 
Just shut off the power and let it melt.  
There is a drain sump in the bottom of the fridge.  Facing aft its on the left under the freezer unit. 
Some early models did not have a Y valve.  In that case it would just drain into the bilge, not a good thing.  Makes a bit of a mess.
The main cause of it freezing over is air getting in from around the lids (leaky Gaskets).  Check you seal make sure they are clean and in good shape.  Use the dollar bill test to see if they are tight 
Good Luck
Tony Chica Caliente #30







Anthony M Skivo III

[P.F. Ross via C320-list]

David, since you have an earlier hull, I am guessing your fridge drain is
like mine.

There is a clear plexiglass cover with some holes over a small sump in the
bottom of the fridge. From this sump a tube goes directly (no valves) to
the bilge pan where the bilge pump sends drainage overboard.

Frank Ross
Beta Wave #206

[Bill Carr via C320-list]

I have a 1994 hull 31. I am envious of the latter models with a Y valve. My boat is as the others have described in the box. The drain hose goes out into the bilge. To avoid moisture in my shallow bilge I keep a plastic wine bottle stopper in the end of the hose and only open it to drain the hose when I have my wet dry vacuum on in the appropriate location to pickup the water.
Bill


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> On May 24, 2025, at 6:55 PM, David Wellerstein via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,

[Laura Gwinn via C320-list]

And does that drain into bilge even on the newer models (year 2000)?
Laura Gwinn
#688

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[Troy Dunn via C320-list]

Laura

Correct, it wasn’t until later models that the Y valve was installed by the
factory.

Troy Dunn
Hull #514

[KEN GEIGER via C320-list]

Our 2000 #765 drains via a pump thru a Y-valve.  The other branch of the Y-valve drains the shower sump.  The valve and pump are under the head's sink.
Ken GeigerNorthern Dream #765

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On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 11:45 a.m., Laura Gwinn via C320-list<c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote: And does that drain into bilge even on the newer models (year 2000)?

[Charles Mueller via C320-list]

Laura - Not sure when it switched over, but a 2000-year model will have the Y valve and the shower/refrigerator pump.

Chuck Mueller
Northwind 676
Holland, MI
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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Defrost fridge

[Dave Hupe via C320-list]

Hi David-
As others have told you yours (early year) likely drains directly to the bilge thru a hose that ends near the aft end of the bilge.
My frig doesn't really melt and drain,  so i don't get drainage to the bilge ...maybe because I have it set cool enough not to defrost on its own. I keep a layer of paper towel down in the frig sump to be able to check that.
When I have frost build up and decide to defrost it, I turn it off, unload everything, place sponges in the sump and a pan under the freezer box to catch drippings, and place a small heater (just warm)  in the frig to the side opposite the freezer box to help elevate the temperature.  I watch it defrost (happens pretty quickly) and pull out chunks of ice as they loosen. I also sponge water out of the freezer box as melt continues. I use the sponge to dry up the outside, bottom and inside of the freezer box, pull out and empty the pan I placed under the freezer box, pull out the sponges in the sump and squeeze out any water (usually minor). 
I finish up by wiping out the frig box .. done!
Dave Hupe 
1994 C320 #32
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer

On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 9:55 PM, David Wellerstein via C320-list<c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Hi all,

[Laura Gwinn via C320-list]

Yes thsts what I have just not sure if it goes out a thru-hull or to bilge.
(my head doesnt go that far under the sink to see!)

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On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 07:43 KEN GEIGER <ken...@aol.com> wrote:

> Our 2000 #765 drains via a pump thru a Y-valve. The other branch of the
> Y-valve drains the shower sump. The valve and pump are under the head's
> sink.
>
> Ken Geiger
> Northern Dream #765
>
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[Bob Wyllner via C320-list]

Brian McLamb described the set up on my 2005 (hull 1039) perfectly.

As one for always being in a rush I’ve taken a hair dryer to mine to speed the process. A heat guy at safe distance would work as well or better.

I’ll also mention they my Y valve is extremely stiff. Perhaps because it only get moved maybe twice a year.

On May 25, 2025, at 9:15 AM, Laura Gwinn via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:

Yes thsts what I have just not sure if it goes out a thru-hull or to bilge.

[Laura Gwinn via C320-list]

I’ve been trying to exercise that valve mire frequently because it gets so
stiff if I dont.

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[John Frost via C320-list]

Mine locked up. I took it out, opened it and lubed it and it has worked for years.
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John Frost

> On May 25, 2025, at 5:52 PM, Laura Gwinn via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> I’ve been trying to exercise that valve mire frequently because it gets so

[Bob Wyllner via C320-list]

I need to do the same John. I plan that for when I winterize. I remove the three drawer unit from the rear bunk bulkhead which gives me more room to work under the head sink. That value it a difficult reach.

To share I found removing those drawers and connecting my antifreeze hose to the intake hose (after removing it from the thru hull) that feeds the head and anchor wash down the best way to go for me to winterize those two components.

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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Defrost fridge

[John Frost via C320-list]

A great reminder Bob. I need to replace the pump for the shower/icebox and have dreaded it because of a recent knee replacement. Coming in from the aft bunk may help a lot

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John Frost

> On May 25, 2025, at 7:50 PM, Bob Wyllner <bobwy...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I need to do the same John. I plan that for when I winterize. I remove the three drawer unit from the rear bunk bulkhead which gives me more room to work under the head sink. That value it a difficult reach.

[surprise thompson87.com via C320-list]

The Y valve is easy to see on my 1999 boat. The pump itself not so much.

> On May 25, 2025, at 9:15 AM, Laura Gwinn via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> Yes thsts what I have just not sure if it goes out a thru-hull or to bilge.

[David Wellerstein via C320-list]

Hi Dave and everyone else!

First, I can’t thank you enough for the advice! This group has saved me countless hours, dollars and grief!

Interestingly, I emptied the fridge to clean it (it was pretty gross) and because I wanted to be sure of where the melted ice would go, I poured half a small bottle of water into the fridge sump. Eyes on the bilge and nothing! Well, there wasn’t enough water for me to be worried about it but now I was curious and well, can’t let that sit. After looking in a few spots I opened up the head door and lo and behold, there was a pool of water on the floor. I opened the seacock and pumped it out but how strange is that? Does that make sense that the refrigerator would somehow drain to the head floor? Was it backup from the shower drain? We don’t use the shower or even the head much so is that possible?

Anyway, a little of the mystery solved and soon will have a frost-free fridge!

—David

David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)

> On May 25, 2025, at 5:48 AM, Dave Hupe <hoop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi David-
>
> As others have told you yours (early year) likely drains directly to the bilge thru a hose that ends near the aft end of the bilge.
>
> My frig doesn't really melt and drain, so i don't get drainage to the bilge ...maybe because I have it set cool enough not to defrost on its own. I keep a layer of paper towel down in the frig sump to be able to check that.
>
> When I have frost build up and decide to defrost it, I turn it off, unload everything, place sponges in the sump and a pan under the freezer box to catch drippings, and place a small heater (just warm) in the frig to the side opposite the freezer box to help elevate the temperature. I watch it defrost (happens pretty quickly) and pull out chunks of ice as they loosen. I also sponge water out of the freezer box as melt continues. I use the sponge to dry up the outside, bottom and inside of the freezer box, pull out and empty the pan I placed under the freezer box, pull out the sponges in the sump and squeeze out any water (usually minor).
>
> I finish up by wiping out the frig box .. done!
>
> Dave Hupe
>
> 1994 C320 #32
>

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> On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 9:55 PM, David Wellerstein via C320-list
> <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have searched kinda high and low but coming up empty…
>
> Looks like our freezer has quite a bit of ice on it so I’m assuming it’s time for defrosting. I also assume that I just shut it off, take out the stuff that’s in there (mostly drinks) and leave the fridge open.
>
> Question: where does the water drain? Is there a drain at the bottom of the fridge? Sorry if this is really dumb but the manual says nothing!
>
> As always, thanks in advance for your sage advice!
>
> —David
>
> ’94 C320 “Dream Catcher” #118
>

> David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com <mailto:dwel...@mac.com> | 925.301.6581 (m)
>

[Dave Hupe via C320-list]

David-
I was pretty sure your hull #118 would be the same as my hull #32 but apparently you have a shower sump (and as others said ... your frig is connected to it)??
I definitely have one hose draining to the bilge from my frig.  I have a separate hose from my shower also draining to the bilge.....no shower sump (and would never use my shower for this reason). 
However, as my previous answer said, I don't have any drainage from my frig and periodically defrost using the steps I outlined.
Happy Sailing!

Dave Hupe 
1994 C320 #32


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On Sun, May 25, 2025 at 8:25 PM, David Wellerstein<dwel...@mac.com> wrote: Hi Dave and everyone else!

First, I can’t thank you enough for the advice!  This group has saved me countless hours, dollars and grief!
Interestingly, I emptied the fridge to clean it (it was pretty gross) and because I wanted to be sure of where the melted ice would go, I poured half a small bottle of water into the fridge sump.  Eyes on the bilge and nothing!  Well, there wasn’t enough water for me to be worried about it but now I was curious and well, can’t let that sit.  After looking in a few spots I opened up the head door and lo and behold, there was a pool of water on the floor.  I opened the seacock and pumped it out but how strange is that?  Does that make sense that the refrigerator would somehow drain to the head floor?  Was it backup from the shower drain?  We don’t use the shower or even the head much so is that possible?
Anyway, a little of the mystery solved and soon will have a frost-free fridge!
—David

David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)

On May 25, 2025, at 5:48 AM, Dave Hupe <hoop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi David-
As others have told you yours (early year) likely drains directly to the bilge thru a hose that ends near the aft end of the bilge.
My frig doesn't really melt and drain,  so i don't get drainage to the bilge ...maybe because I have it set cool enough not to defrost on its own. I keep a layer of paper towel down in the frig sump to be able to check that.
When I have frost build up and decide to defrost it, I turn it off, unload everything, place sponges in the sump and a pan under the freezer box to catch drippings, and place a small heater (just warm)  in the frig to the side opposite the freezer box to help elevate the temperature.  I watch it defrost (happens pretty quickly) and pull out chunks of ice as they loosen. I also sponge water out of the freezer box as melt continues. I use the sponge to dry up the outside, bottom and inside of the freezer box, pull out and empty the pan I placed under the freezer box, pull out the sponges in the sump and squeeze out any water (usually minor). 
I finish up by wiping out the frig box .. done!
Dave Hupe 
1994 C320 #32
Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer

On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 9:55 PM, David Wellerstein via C320-list<c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote: Hi all,

I have searched kinda high and low but coming up empty…

Looks like our freezer has quite a bit of ice on it so I’m assuming it’s time for defrosting.  I also assume that I just shut it off, take out the stuff that’s in there (mostly drinks) and leave the fridge open.

Question:  where does the water drain?  Is there a drain at the bottom of the fridge?  Sorry if this is really dumb but the manual says nothing!

As always, thanks in advance for your sage advice!

—David

’94 C320 “Dream Catcher” #118

David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)

[ART HARDEN via C320-list]

I thought I would weigh in on all the conversations about the refrigerator drain.

First, I want to say I do not keep anything in the refrigerator that I will not use when I am on the boat. We’re generally on the boat for two or three days over the weekend. At the end of that time I clean out the refrigerator turn it off and leave the hatch/door open. This operation will defrost the refrigerator, which has only been in operation for a few days.

Here is how I start my weekend on the boat. I go in and check on the systems and make sure everything is charged. I turn the refrigerator on and then add a bag of ice to a pan at the bottom of the refrigerator. This helps cool down the system and get it operating quickly and properly. I generally only have to buy a small bag of ice, which fits well with my Jamison or Johnny Walker Black which needs immediate cooldown for my drink.

One innovative thought that no one has mentioned is that I added a USB fan onto the top refrigerator shelf. I tied it down with just zip ties and run the power cord out the rear hatch to a USB. This circulates the air inside the refrigerator. It keeps the cold air from sitting at the bottom and is not a big draw on the battery.

I just replaced my cooling system with a new high-efficiency refrigeration system. I am very pleased with this operation and it’s energy use.

You have to stop and think about of not being on the boat for five days with a refrigerator going. The question is why? If you have condiments in there, it’s easy to take those home in a cooler. If you have food in there, do you really want to eat something that is a week old?

If you are a long distance cruiser or live aboard cruiser, this program is not for you. But for the weekend sailor, it is something to consider.



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Art Harden
Catalina 320 "Tortuga" 243
E-42
937.885.9380 (o)
937.477.5544 (m)

> On May 25, 2025, at 8:25 PM, David Wellerstein via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> Hi Dave and everyone else!

>
> First, I can’t thank you enough for the advice! This group has saved me countless hours, dollars and grief!
>
> Interestingly, I emptied the fridge to clean it (it was pretty gross) and because I wanted to be sure of where the melted ice would go, I poured half a small bottle of water into the fridge sump. Eyes on the bilge and nothing! Well, there wasn’t enough water for me to be worried about it but now I was curious and well, can’t let that sit. After looking in a few spots I opened up the head door and lo and behold, there was a pool of water on the floor. I opened the seacock and pumped it out but how strange is that? Does that make sense that the refrigerator would somehow drain to the head floor? Was it backup from the shower drain? We don’t use the shower or even the head much so is that possible?
>
> Anyway, a little of the mystery solved and soon will have a frost-free fridge!
>
> —David
>
> David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)
>
>> On May 25, 2025, at 5:48 AM, Dave Hupe <hoop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David-
>>
>> As others have told you yours (early year) likely drains directly to the bilge thru a hose that ends near the aft end of the bilge.
>>
>> My frig doesn't really melt and drain, so i don't get drainage to the bilge ...maybe because I have it set cool enough not to defrost on its own. I keep a layer of paper towel down in the frig sump to be able to check that.
>>
>> When I have frost build up and decide to defrost it, I turn it off, unload everything, place sponges in the sump and a pan under the freezer box to catch drippings, and place a small heater (just warm) in the frig to the side opposite the freezer box to help elevate the temperature. I watch it defrost (happens pretty quickly) and pull out chunks of ice as they loosen. I also sponge water out of the freezer box as melt continues. I use the sponge to dry up the outside, bottom and inside of the freezer box, pull out and empty the pan I placed under the freezer box, pull out the sponges in the sump and squeeze out any water (usually minor).
>>
>> I finish up by wiping out the frig box .. done!
>>
>> Dave Hupe
>>
>> 1994 C320 #32
>>

>> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer>

>> On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 9:55 PM, David Wellerstein via C320-list
>> <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have searched kinda high and low but coming up empty…
>>
>> Looks like our freezer has quite a bit of ice on it so I’m assuming it’s time for defrosting. I also assume that I just shut it off, take out the stuff that’s in there (mostly drinks) and leave the fridge open.
>>
>> Question: where does the water drain? Is there a drain at the bottom of the fridge? Sorry if this is really dumb but the manual says nothing!
>>
>> As always, thanks in advance for your sage advice!
>>
>> —David
>>
>> ’94 C320 “Dream Catcher” #118
>>

>> David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com <mailto:dwel...@mac.com> | 925.301.6581 (m)

[Jack Brennan via C320-list]

My seven-year-old Cold Machine has been operating continuously (and flawlessly) since I installed it.

I keep a good supply of alcoholic and non-alcoholic drinks aboard at all times. In West Florida's devastating summers, I don't want to wait for a cool-down before I hydrate.

I have a theory — unsupported by any evidence — that machinery goes bad when you don't use it. So far, the fridge has borne that out. I also run the AC continuously from May through October to keep mold out of the boat.

Of course, I'm helped by the fact that I have 320 watts of solar and 450 amp hours of golf cart batteries. The batteries are topped off by noon or early afternoon. The fridge is a minor factor in consuming electricity, maybe 30 or 40 amp hours a day.

Jack Brennan
Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
Tierra Verde, Fl.

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Subject: Re: [C320-list] Defrost fridge

[Dave Rath via C320-list]

A note to all with the Y Valve set up.

Remember to keep the setting to shower, not refrigerator when not in use. If not, the oder from the old refrigerator water that sits in the bottom of hose will escape into the head giving one the false impression that the head smells. My SOP is to keep the the Y valve set to shower and only switch to fridge when draining the fridge.

Dave
Sugar, 2000 320
Greenport, NY

> On May 25, 2025, at 10:40 PM, Jack Brennan via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> My seven-year-old Cold Machine has been operating continuously (and flawlessly) since I installed it.

[Bob Wyllner via C320-list]

Jack - I believe your theory may have some merit. I use to be in the consumer electronics appliance business. I’ve been told by more than one technician that compressors like to run and sitting for long periods of time do them no good. Possibly fake news and designs I might assume have changed as I’m going back several years.

That said, I’ll admit to being concerned about the wear and tear on my unit as I’ve noted in the quite of night while in my rear cabin, I hear that bloody thing cycles on and off a LOT. Perhaps that’s typical / normal.


On May 26, 2025, at 10:01 AM, Dave Rath via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:

A note to all with the Y Valve set up.

[John Brennan via C320-list]

I've had diesel mechanics tell me the most troublesome engines are those that have sat for a long time. I've owned diesel sailboats for 16 years now, and I've had only minor problems because I use them regularly and maintain them properly.

Cycling of the fridge compressor is normal, particularly because our ice boxes are not insulated particularly well. If you listen to the fridge in your kitchen, you'll hear the same thing.

What's different with the newer refrigerators is that everything revolves around a computer board. If it breaks, chances are that replacing the board is the only option. Newer diesels are the same way. Which is why I love the older ones.

Jack Brennan
Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
Tierra Verde, Fl.
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[SARA SCHROEDER via C320-list]

Totally agree with Jack. I make sure I use my engine and often times do a boat ride just to run it hard. Up here in Seattle, there's a person who is an amazing diesel mechanic and she writes a monthly article for our local sailing magazine 48 North. She recently wrote an article on this subject.

https://48north.com/instructional/maintenance-and-repairs/diesel-deep-dive-run-em-hard/

Sara
Wandering Star
2000/#707
Seattle, WA

[John Frost via C320-list]

Dave, help me understand you thinking. We never use our shower so I leave mine in the use box position. We drain the icebox after every use. Why will it be better the other way?

Thanks 2007 MK II

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John Frost

> On May 26, 2025, at 3:59 PM, Dave Rath via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> A note to all with the Y Valve set up.

[Bob Wyllner via C320-list]

Thanks for this Sara! Very insightful. And I’m guilty as charged.

I have a 3GM30 and rarely exceed 2700 (my top cruising speed) for fear of 'breaking something' despite having read that you need to blow the carbon out.

Any input on what RPM's other are revving to and for what time duration to care for this carbon build up?

(Perhaps I should have started a new thread)

Bob

[Dave Rath via C320-list]

I was referring to the refrigerator drain. If you turn off and clean out the fridge after every use (I assume you mean you do so after every time you use the boat), then I would say this doesn’t necessarily apply.

I keep my fridge going all season (summer). I have found that if the valve is set to the refrigerator, then whatever water collects in the hose from condensation during the week or time I am not using the boat, can be musty smelling. That smell permeates the head through the system. By leaving the valve set to shower, the system closes off the possibility of any of the musty smell escaping into the head through the opening in the shower sump.

Hope that makes sense.

> On May 26, 2025, at 12:47 PM, John Frost <jo...@frostnet.net> wrote:
>
> Dave, help me understand you thinking. We never use our shower so I leave mine in the use box position. We drain the icebox after every use. Why will it be better the other way?

[John Frost via C320-list]

Perfect sense. Thank you.

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John Frost

> On May 27, 2025, at 4:41 AM, Dave Rath <dave...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I was referring to the refrigerator drain. If you turn off and clean out the fridge after every use (I assume you mean you do so after every time you use the boat), then I would say this doesn’t necessarily apply.

[ptormey 4square.net via C320-list]

I use the shower daily as a live aboard in season. Since the shower pan can't drain completely, I put a 'toilet" bowl tab in the sump to avoid the smell and build up. And no, don’t use the blue kind! 😉

Other candidates are the bulge and the dinghy, where rainwater generates a new form of life not found elsewhere on our planet!

Pat
Pat Tormey
s/v Blues Skies
Newport RI

[surprise thompson87.com via C320-list]

But the hose from the y valve goes to the strainer, y valve, and pump, then to the thru hull. How would musty odors escape to the head compartment with the y valve in the fridge drain position?

> On May 26, 2025, at 10:41 PM, Dave Rath via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> I was referring to the refrigerator drain. If you turn off and clean out the fridge after every use (I assume you mean you do so after every time you use the boat), then I would say this doesn’t necessarily apply.

[Dave Rath via C320-list]

Consider it a gas. Somehow, when the Y valve is set that way, it seems the shower sump is the only place possible for the gas to escape.



> On May 27, 2025, at 8:51 AM, surprise thompson87.com <surp...@thompson87.com> wrote:
>
> But the hose from the y valve goes to the strainer, y valve, and pump, then to the thru hull. How would musty odors escape to the head compartment with the y valve in the fridge drain position?

[surprise thompson87.com via C320-list]

But the shower sump hose is blocked off with the Y valve in the fridge drain position.

> On May 27, 2025, at 10:20 AM, Dave Rath <dave...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Consider it a gas. Somehow, when the Y valve is set that way, it seems the shower sump is the only place possible for the gas to escape.

[Dave Rath via C320-list]

I don’t exactly know how it happens. I just know that it’s been my experience.

> On May 27, 2025, at 10:34 AM, surprise thompson87.com <surp...@thompson87.com> wrote:
>
> But the shower sump hose is blocked off with the Y valve in the fridge drain position.

[surprise thompson87.com via C320-list]

Fair enough. I wonder if you have a leak somewhere down stream from the y valve that lets the odors escape.

> On May 27, 2025, at 10:38 AM, Dave Rath <dave...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don’t exactly know how it happens. I just know that it’s been my experience.

[David Wellerstein via C320-list]

I’m still so mystified as to why my fridge drips to the shower but I guess the hose just leads there and it backs up into the floor (sump)? Maybe they were trying to figure out how to do this without draining to the bilge but hadn’t figured the Y-valve part yet?

And while I have you, for the older boats without a midship cleat, have any of you used one of these cleats that goes on the fairlead track? Does it get in the way? And there’s that short track on the cabin top…could it go there? Other suggestions? I really should have cleats midship for docking, especially shorthanded with wind.

Thanks again…you all are amazing!

—David

C320 #118 “Dream Catcher"

David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)

> On May 27, 2025, at 1:55 PM, Dave Rath <dave...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes. That checks out. I had seepage into the shower sump from the fridge as well. That’s how I figured out where the smell was coming from.
>
> Don’t ask how this happens. I can’t explain it. All know is, when I switched the valve to “shower” and kept it there, the problem went away.

>
> From: C320-list <c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com <mailto:c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com>> on behalf of David Wellerstein via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com <mailto:c320...@lists.catalina320.com>>
> Date: Sunday, May 25, 2025 at 8:25 PM
> To: Dave Hupe <hoop...@yahoo.com <mailto:hoop...@yahoo.com>>
> Cc: David Wellerstein <dwel...@mac.com <mailto:dwel...@mac.com>>, C320...@catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@catalina320.com> <C320...@Catalina320.com <mailto:C320...@Catalina320.com>>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Defrost fridge
>

> Hi Dave and everyone else!
>
> First, I can’t thank you enough for the advice! This group has saved me countless hours, dollars and grief!
>
> Interestingly, I emptied the fridge to clean it (it was pretty gross) and because I wanted to be sure of where the melted ice would go, I poured half a small bottle of water into the fridge sump. Eyes on the bilge and nothing! Well, there wasn’t enough water for me to be worried about it but now I was curious and well, can’t let that sit. After looking in a few spots I opened up the head door and lo and behold, there was a pool of water on the floor. I opened the seacock and pumped it out but how strange is that? Does that make sense that the refrigerator would somehow drain to the head floor? Was it backup from the shower drain? We don’t use the shower or even the head much so is that possible?
>
> Anyway, a little of the mystery solved and soon will have a frost-free fridge!
>
> —David
>

> David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com <mailto:dwel...@mac.com> | 925.301.6581 (m)

>
> > On May 25, 2025, at 5:48 AM, Dave Hupe <hoop...@yahoo.com <mailto:hoop...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David-
> >
> > As others have told you yours (early year) likely drains directly to the bilge thru a hose that ends near the aft end of the bilge.
> >
> > My frig doesn't really melt and drain, so i don't get drainage to the bilge ...maybe because I have it set cool enough not to defrost on its own. I keep a layer of paper towel down in the frig sump to be able to check that.
> >
> > When I have frost build up and decide to defrost it, I turn it off, unload everything, place sponges in the sump and a pan under the freezer box to catch drippings, and place a small heater (just warm) in the frig to the side opposite the freezer box to help elevate the temperature. I watch it defrost (happens pretty quickly) and pull out chunks of ice as they loosen. I also sponge water out of the freezer box as melt continues. I use the sponge to dry up the outside, bottom and inside of the freezer box, pull out and empty the pan I placed under the freezer box, pull out the sponges in the sump and squeeze out any water (usually minor).
> >
> > I finish up by wiping out the frig box .. done!
> >
> > Dave Hupe
> >
> > 1994 C320 #32
> >
> > Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer>
> > On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 9:55 PM, David Wellerstein via C320-list
> > <c320...@lists.catalina320.com <mailto:c320...@lists.catalina320.com>> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have searched kinda high and low but coming up empty…
> >
> > Looks like our freezer has quite a bit of ice on it so I’m assuming it’s time for defrosting. I also assume that I just shut it off, take out the stuff that’s in there (mostly drinks) and leave the fridge open.
> >
> > Question: where does the water drain? Is there a drain at the bottom of the fridge? Sorry if this is really dumb but the manual says nothing!
> >
> > As always, thanks in advance for your sage advice!
> >
> > —David
> >
> > ’94 C320 “Dream Catcher” #118
> >

> > David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com <mailto:dwel...@mac.com> <mailto:dwel...@mac.com> | 925.301.6581 (m)
> >
>

[Dave Rath via C320-list]

I replaced the pump (twice) in the last two years. The replacement pump failed. It has since been discontinued. Lovely. What a job! I swear they built the boat around that thing.

Definitely remove the unit from the aft bunk. That helps big time. Remove the entire door under the sink too. Do not be afraid to remove the board that the pump is screwed into while the pump is still attached. It looks like the board it is part of the bulkhead but it is not. It unscrews quite easily. It is so much easier to remove the old pump and attach the new while outside of the crevice rather than twisting yourself into a pretzel to get at it where it lives back there. Start dieting now!!

[Dave Rath via C320-list]

Yes. That checks out. I had seepage into the shower sump from the fridge as well. That’s how I figured out where the smell was coming from.

Don’t ask how this happens. I can’t explain it. All know is, when I switched the valve to “shower” and kept it there, the problem went away.

From: C320-list <c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of David Wellerstein via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com>
Date: Sunday, May 25, 2025 at 8:25 PM
To: Dave Hupe <hoop...@yahoo.com>

Cc: David Wellerstein <dwel...@mac.com>, C320...@catalina320.com <C320...@Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Defrost fridge

[Dave Hupe via C320-list]

Can't comment on your frig setup.  As i said, my shower and frig simply  dump separatety to my bilge .... not great!
I don't have a midship cleat .... but should! However, on my slip I run "spring lines" to my bow and stern .... works for me. 
I see others put the adjustable cleat on the track.  I don't  think it gets in the way and works well. A little pricey but saves difficult installation. 
A buddy here with a 320 drilled and installed midship cleats on the outer edge.  Brave to drill there and bolt inside where access is so tough. But he got it done! He gave me spare cleats to do the same but I haven't been brave enough to do this job. 
Thanks for the compliment.
Dave

Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer

On Tue, May 27, 2025 at 5:02 PM, David Wellerstein<dwel...@mac.com> wrote: I’m still so mystified as to why my fridge drips to the shower but I guess the hose just leads there and it backs up into the floor (sump)?  Maybe they were trying to figure out how to do this without draining to the bilge but hadn’t figured the Y-valve part yet?

And while I have you, for the older boats without a midship cleat, have any of you used one of these cleats that goes on the fairlead track?  Does it get in the way?  And there’s that short track on the cabin top…could it go there?  Other suggestions?  I really should have cleats midship for docking, especially shorthanded with wind.
Thanks again…you all are amazing!
—David
C320 #118 “Dream Catcher"

David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)

On May 27, 2025, at 1:55 PM, Dave Rath <dave...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes. That checks out. I had seepage into the shower sump from the fridge as well. That’s how I figured out where the smell was coming from.  Don’t ask how this happens. I can’t explain it. All know is, when I switched the valve to “shower” and kept it there, the problem went away.    

From: C320-list <c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com> on behalf of David Wellerstein via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com>

Date: Sunday, May 25, 2025 at 8:25 PM
To: Dave Hupe <hoop...@yahoo.com>

Cc: David Wellerstein <dwel...@mac.com>, C320...@catalina320.com <C320...@Catalina320.com>

Subject: Re: [C320-list] Defrost fridge

Hi Dave and everyone else!

First, I can’t thank you enough for the advice!  This group has saved me countless hours, dollars and grief!

Interestingly, I emptied the fridge to clean it (it was pretty gross) and because I wanted to be sure of where the melted ice would go, I poured half a small bottle of water into the fridge sump.  Eyes on the bilge and nothing!  Well, there wasn’t enough water for me to be worried about it but now I was curious and well, can’t let that sit.  After looking in a few spots I opened up the head door and lo and behold, there was a pool of water on the floor.  I opened the seacock and pumped it out but how strange is that?  Does that make sense that the refrigerator would somehow drain to the head floor?  Was it backup from the shower drain?  We don’t use the shower or even the head much so is that possible?

Anyway, a little of the mystery solved and soon will have a frost-free fridge!

—David

David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com | 925.301.6581 (m)

> On May 25, 2025, at 5:48 AM, Dave Hupe <hoop...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi David-
> 
> As others have told you yours (early year) likely drains directly to the bilge thru a hose that ends near the aft end of the bilge.
> 
> My frig doesn't really melt and drain,  so i don't get drainage to the bilge ...maybe because I have it set cool enough not to defrost on its own. I keep a layer of paper towel down in the frig sump to be able to check that.
> 
> When I have frost build up and decide to defrost it, I turn it off, unload everything, place sponges in the sump and a pan under the freezer box to catch drippings, and place a small heater (just warm)  in the frig to the side opposite the freezer box to help elevate the temperature.  I watch it defrost (happens pretty quickly) and pull out chunks of ice as they loosen. I also sponge water out of the freezer box as melt continues. I use the sponge to dry up the outside, bottom and inside of the freezer box, pull out and empty the pan I placed under the freezer box, pull out the sponges in the sump and squeeze out any water (usually minor).
> 
> I finish up by wiping out the frig box .. done!
> 
> Dave Hupe 
> 
> 1994 C320 #32
> 
> Yahoo Mail: Search, Organize, Conquer <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement&c=US_Acquisition_YMktg_315_SearchOrgConquer_EmailSignature&af_sub1=Acquisition&af_sub2=US_YMktg&af_sub3=&af_sub4=100002039&af_sub5=C01_Email_Static_&af_ios_store_cpp=0c38e4b0-a27e-40f9-a211-f4e2de32ab91&af_android_url=https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.yahoo.mobile.client.android.mail&listing=search_organize_conquer>
> On Sat, May 24, 2025 at 9:55 PM, David Wellerstein via C320-list

> <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have searched kinda high and low but coming up empty…
> 
> Looks like our freezer has quite a bit of ice on it so I’m assuming it’s time for defrosting.  I also assume that I just shut it off, take out the stuff that’s in there (mostly drinks) and leave the fridge open.
> 
> Question:  where does the water drain?  Is there a drain at the bottom of the fridge?  Sorry if this is really dumb but the manual says nothing!
> 
> As always, thanks in advance for your sage advice!
> 
> —David
> 
> ’94 C320 “Dream Catcher” #118
> 

> David Wellerstein | dwel...@mac.com <mailto:dwel...@mac.com> | 925.301.6581 (m)
> 

[David Nolte via C320-list]

Hi David,

We have used one of those removeable cleats on the fairlead track for years for spring lines while docking or rafting up. They work great!

Best,

David Nolte
Beach House ’93 0004

David Nolte

[Wandering Star via C320-list]

Buy a, not so cheap, stainless steel removable cleat that slides on to the track. Put it on when docking then take off and stow in the lazerette. I’ve used this system for years when solo docking.

Sara
Wandering Star
2000/#707
Seattle, WA

> On May 27, 2025, at 2:31 PM, David Wellerstein via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> I’m still so mystified as to why my fridge drips to the shower but I guess the hose just leads there and it backs up into the floor (sump)? Maybe they were trying to figure out how to do this without draining to the bilge but hadn’t figured the Y-valve part yet?

[llitvak--- via C320-list]

I have done the same (a removeable cleat on the track) and it works fine.

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[Brian McLamb via C320-list]

I have the Garhauer cleats that slide onto the Genoa track. Really love the
ability to place on the section of the track that is best for the purpose
you need at the time. Have used for spring lines and/or fender placement
during my winter Florida ICW adventure.

S/V Serenity #1075

Brian McLamb

[ART HARDEN via C320-list]

I had issues with my pump before as well. After buying two pumps, I found the issue was a check valve that is downstream of the pump and before the vacuum break in the head cabinet. The check valve was clogged completely. You can remove it and take it apart to clean. I did that, but I did not put it back in.

Sent from my iPhone

Art Harden
Catalina 320 "Tortuga" 243
E-42
937.885.9380 (o)

937.477.5544 (m)

> On May 27, 2025, at 5:35 PM, Dave Rath via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>
> I replaced the pump (twice) in the last two years. The replacement pump failed. It has since been discontinued. Lovely. What a job! I swear they built the boat around that thing.

[Bob Wyllner via C320-list]

My boat came with the cleats on the cabin top (I’m the third owner). I DO NOT recommend going that route. At least not for spring lines. MY experience has been that no matter the angle the lines ends up chafing again one of the safety line stanchions.

I may invest in the cleats that attach to the fairlead track as I've seen positive feedback on this thread.


Bob (Hull 1039)

[Mark Seyler via C320-list]

I have the sliding cleats on my genoa track. I keep them slid all the way aft when not using them, and they have never been in the way in that position. I slide them forward to wherever I want them when needed.

But I have also been known to run a dock line through the genoa car, and back to the winch in the cockpit. I can then toss the free end of the dock line to someone on the dock, or drop it on a cleat or bollard, and then tail the end on the winch to adjust that midships dock line while I can still reach the engine controls and the wheel. I wouldn't necessarily leave the dock line that way if I was leaving the boat, but it gives me one more way to control the boat when docking singlehanded.

Mark Seyler
S/V Reality,
Catalina 320, #232
New Orleans, LA

[Dan Petticord via C320-list]

I had the Garhauer jib track cleat on our last boat (an O'Day 28). They
are expensive, but luckily the track on the 320 is the same size, so I made
sure to pull them off and put them on the new boat. So much easier to dock
with that there for a spring line.

--
Dan Petticord