[C320-list] Aqua lift mufffer

[Greg Flanagan]

My muffler is leaking at the base when the engine is running (not a great amount). The engine is a Yanmar 3YM30.
Has anyone experience in fixing this? Should it just be replaced? Who supplies one?
Catalina Direct does not seem to have the right model for this engine configuration.

Thanks,

Greg
Hoop Dancer # 1086
Sidney, BC

[Doug Treff]

Greg,

First thing you need to do is figure out if the leak is actually from
the base of the muffler (usually the screw holes) or if it is from the
exhaust-in port (hose coming from engine). The mounting hole fix is well
documented in this forum if you do a search. I have not heard of anyone
who has successfully repaired the exhaust-in port when it cracks.

Here is a link to the fix process that I am referring to:
http://pages.suddenlink.net/kmielen/C320Docs/AqualiftRepair.htm

A new muffler can be ordered from Catalina Direct but they will most
likely want you to ship the old muffler to them since every one is
slightly different. That's probably an off-season repair if you can
wait.

Hope this helps...

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Doug Treff
Catalina 320 - 1996 - September Song - #350
http://savvysailor.blogspot.com/
do...@treff.us

[R.G. Miller]

I spent most of last summer fixing mine. The seam where the base and the box are joined is probably starting to rot out. I tried fixing where the leak showed and then it came out in a different spot. I would look closely for any signs of rot, grind them out and give the seam a good coating of mat and epoxy. Make sure you get the curves done well. I have the perkins engine and haven't found a stock muffler that will just fit in without some modifications so I'm hoping this fix will last for awhile.

[Greg Flanagan]

Great help Doug. It's not leaking at either of the flanges, nor does it seem to be leaking at the screws. It seems to be leaking at the seam between tithe box and base-about a bilge full after a day if motoring.

Thanks,

Greg

[Larry Frank]

Greg,

Having an ³experienced² 320 I can tell you I could be considered an expert
on this, as much as anyone can be an expert on a boat issue. I bet I have
had 3 or 4 new mufflers plus have tried to fix them too. I have had all
the leaks, flange, screw holes and inlet tube. I am so lucky I need to
buy more lottery tickets! CD supplied the last replacement I purchased.
They insisted I send them the failed muffler because there are many the
Catalina has used through the years. They wanted to make sure it would
fit. That is the good news. They told me it could take up to 12 weeks to
get the replacement and they were correct. Luckily I had a spare that
only leaked a little bit and could use that while I waited. The problem
seems to be with Catalina and not CD so I don¹t think it would help to be
demanding of them.

If it is a screw hole leak it is worth a try to fix it. I did and was not
successful, but you might have better luck.

Larry
WindSwept
Catalina 320 #246

[pat reynolds]

I would echo Larry. I am on my third muffler in 20 seasons.  The original lasted about 13 years. I made the mistake of sending a photo for the second one and got the wrong one but made it fit for a couple years.  when it started leaking we tries several times and ways to fix it but with little success.  The best way to order is to contact the Catalina Yachts parts department by phone or email.  They have photos of all of the models of muffler they produced or if not that, then by all means send them the original as they have had several different configurations

[Greg Flanagan]

Thanks for all the helpful responses. One question Lora mentions Catalina Yachts and Larry mentions Catalina Direct (CD). Are these not different entities?


Greg
Hoop Dancer #1076
Sidney, BC

[Jeff Hare]

Greg,

Catalina Yachts builds the boats of course, but Catalina Direct is an independent company that specializes in sourcing parts for Catalina boats. They are not affiliated with each other. Ultimately, CD gets some parts from Catalina (like the mufflers, rudders, and other parts Catalina manufactures) and the rest they order from the third party vendors that make or distribute them and act as a middleman.

-Jeff

[danny jensen]

I have commented on this subject before so I hope you all don't mind my
re-post on this subject. My impression is that mufflers need to be replaced
proactively every 10 years along with mixing elbows. This is cheap
insurance because you will float your floorboards and get soot inside your
boat. It is ugly. Just pay the $375 for a new muffler and save yourself the
aggravation.

Here are the details of my mixing elbow / aqua lift muffler replacement
project.

I have about 500 hours on a 2004 C320 with a Yanmar 3GM30F-YEU. The
mechanic recommended I change the mixing elbow in the next 12 months. The
U Mixing Elbow inside was corroded at the point where the raw cool raw
water mixes with exhaust. The riser appeared to be in good shape but the
two parts looked to be bonded together and my mechanic told me to replace
the entire assembly Elbow, riser and join. I read several owners accounts
of failed mixing elbows and mufflers / muffler repairs. The lead time to
get a muffler from Catalina was estimated to be 2 months. The general
consensus was to replace the muffler after about 10 years. Mufflers seem to
fail mostly near the screw holes in the corners. Some owners think this is
due to vibration from the engine exhaust hose. I used Jeff Hares rule and
decided to replace the muffler on my schedule instead of the boats schedule
especially because of the 2 month lead time for the muffler. The cost of
the muffler from Catalina was $374.

I contacted Ken Roy at Catalina and gave him my hull number and some
pictures and dimensions of my existing muffler (it is for sale now). Ken
asked for some more dimensions. Ken sent me back a picture of the muffler
he proposed to make for me and requested payment. It took about 2 months
total to get the muffler.
I ordered the gasket, mixing elbow, SS joint and riser exhaust from
Bayshore Marine(see below). Next, I considered the muffler vibration issue.
Some owners felt that a hump hose would isolate the vibration from the
engine to the muffler. The existing wet exhaust hose connecting mixing
elbow to muffler input was a 22 inch 2 in. id. I decided replace with 2
hose segments of more flexible trident corrugated exhaust hose joined
together with an exhaust hump hose I purchased from Catalina Direct.

Here are the details. The procedure took about 3.5 hours including driving
home once.

1. I turned off the raw water thru hull, disconnected the 3/8 hose
connection at the elbow, the 4 riser exhaust bolts came off with no
problem. Then I disconnected the elbow from the 2 in. exhaust hose. I used
a radiator hose pick to remove the hoses. They came right off with no
problem. Don’t sweat removing the hoses.

2. I took the old elbow assembly home where I used it for reference
to create the new assembly using a vise. I don’t believe you can create the
new assembly without the help of a vise and 2 large adjustable 15 in
wrenches. Don’t try to make the new assembly on your boat! You will need to
twist the 3/8 in input 180 degrees then you will need to create the exact
same angle as the old elbow by threading the joint into the elbow and
exhaust riser. I used high temperature anti seize on the joint threads
before assembly.

3. I used a gasket scraper to easily remove the old gasket. Then I
applied some high temp gasket seating material to both sides of the new
gasket and bolted the elbow assembly to the motor.

4. I removed the 4 stainless screws securing the muffler to the boat
and I removed the output exhaust hose from the old muffler using the
radiator hose pick. The hoses come off the muffler without any problem.
The muffler comes out of the boat without any problem.

5. I put the new muffler in place and connected the output exhaust
hose without any issues. I found the screw holes on the new muffler did not
match the screw holes on the muffler. I could get the 2 screw holes
forward to line up but then the aft screw holes with not align with the
existing holes. Access to the forward inboard screw is somewhat limited so
you will want to match the forward inboard screw with the existing hole
then use a drill motor to self tap new holes with the muffler in place. The
existing self tapping screws were in good shape and I did not need to drill
pilot holes, I just drove the screws into the glass with the muffler in
place after I screwed down the forward screws. Apply a good amount of
silicon grease to the muffler drain.

6. I used a sawzall to cut an 8 in and 13 in segment of corrugated
exhaust hose then I joined them with a hump hose using double hose clamps
on each side of the hump hose. Then I connected the hose to the mixing
elbow and the input side of the muffler.

7. I turned on the thru hull and ran the engine. White fiberglass
chips from the new muffler were spitting out the exhaust for a while. No
leaks. The hump hose appeared to do the job limiting vibration. I left the
rear engine cover off and took the boat out in open water and ran the motor
up 3000 RPM. I went below and to my surprise I saw smoke coming from the
exhaust riser side of the stainless steel joint nut! No water. It appeared
that the joint was oozing and burning anti-seize. After about 10 minutes
this smoking stopped. I’m assuming this is normal but it spooked me. I’m
going to put a co2 monitor in the aft cabin to make sure I don’t have gas
leaks.

Parts:
bayshore marine:
128370-13201 gasket $4.92
124070-13520 U mixing elbow $169.33
128370-13610 riser exhaust $130.39
104214-13580 joint $28.79
Note:
27233-250000 plug comes with 124070-13610
124070-13300 elbow 3/8 comes with 124070-13610

Parts from Catalina Yachts (K...@catalinayachts.com)
1 Muffler $374 plus Shipping

Parts from Catalina direct:
High Temp Anti-Seize Compound (#Z2858): 1
Item Total: $15.95
Exhaust Hump Hose 1-5/8"I.D X 6" (#Z2152): 1
Item Total: $31.49

Tools Harbor Freight
8" Radiator Hose Pick $3.99
Carbon/Gasket Scraper $2.99
High Temp Gasket seating compound

MMI Marine
TRI252-2004
TRIDENT CORRUGATED FLEX SAE J2006 MARINE WET EXHAUST HOSE (HARD WALL WITH
WIRE) - 2 Feet $15.00
BUA70HSS36C
BUCK HOSE CLAMPS S/S FROM 1 13/16" TO 2 3/4" 4 $8.00

Danny Jensen
A BOA VIDA
Hull 972

[Chris Burti]

Danny,
Great write-up...I'd like to use it for a Mainsheet article with your
permission. Any pictures available?

Thanks,
Chris Burti
C-320 IA Technical Editor
Commitment, #867

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:45 AM, danny jensen <da...@jensenshouse.com>
wrote:

--
Chris Burti
Farmville, NC

[da...@jensenshouse.com]

Sent from my iPhone

[Chris Burti]

If you sent pictures, they were stripped...please send directly to me...clburti@gmail.com...

Thanks,
Chris Burti

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From: "da...@jensenshouse.com" <da...@jensenshouse.com>
Sent: ‎8/‎12/‎2015 11:32 PM
To: "C320...@Catalina320.com" <C320...@Catalina320.com>
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Aqua lift mufffer

[Warren Updike]

Re: stock muffler to replace custom Catalina unit.
Dave Nolte on hull #4, Annapolis, (if he still has that boat,) replaced his
with a Vetus unit. He sent me a picture I'll share (send off-list request.)
Dave, if you are still lurking on the list can you bring us up to date on
your muffler replacement?

Warren and Pattie Updike
1994 C320 "Warr de Mar" #62

-----Original Message-----
From: R.G. Miller [mailto:ronald...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 3:05 PM
To: c320...@catalina320.com
Subject: Re: [C320-list] Aqua lift mufffer

[David Nolte]

Hi Warren,

I’m not sure if this email will go through to the group, all my attempted postings have for some reason been rejected and come back to me this past year. So I have copied your personal email address.

I have had the Vetus for probably 7 - 8 years at this point and it works fine. Granted, with my kids teenagers now my usage of the boat has plummeted the past three years. We may have only put 30 hours total on the engine the past three years, after averaging about 50 a year prior to that.

Hope that helps,

David Nolte

[David Nolte]

My post went through!

David

[danny jensen]

The details of my Mixing Elbow exhaust, muffler replacement project can now
be found using these links. I have forwarded pictures to Chris as
requested. The links below are pdf downloads with pictures.

http://mammothcondos.com/C-320-mixing-elbow-replacement

and

http://www.catalina320.com/mediagallery/download.php?mid=20150926070241130


On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 6:45 AM, danny jensen <da...@jensenshouse.com>
wrote:

[John Frost]

This is worth a bunch Danny. Thanks for taking the time to document for us.

Does anyone know if the mixing elbow lasts longer in fresh water?



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