Re: [C320-list] C320-list Digest, Vol 4882, Issue 1

[Marc Winger via C320-list]

I am super interested in this “tang” as I also looked into adding a
sprit. I decided that adding the sprit would be great, but when we race
non-spin, we seem to have the best advantage sailing deep. As such, I
have been thinking about adding a “tang” and/or a type of bow eye ring
that can be used like we did on a boat I have been racing on (an Express
37) where the owner had an eye fitting made that attaches to the
forestay tang. They attached a 3:1 purchase block that attaches to the
eye and the other to the spin tack. The line leads back to the cockpit.
There is a harken eye attached to the headstay with the line run through
it to prevent chafe. The advantage was we could tack the asymmetrical
like a sprit boat while still able to sail really deep which the C320
seems to like. I asked the owner of that sailboat to send me pictures
when he can. For reference, the forestay tang already had a backing
plate so he didn’t need to reinforce it.

Anyway, I would love any feedback on the idea of doing something similar
on a C320..

Cheers,
Marc




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Date 6/25/2025 1:01:01 PM
Subject C320-list Digest, Vol 4882, Issue 1

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>The other factor that can make a difference with an asymmetrical spinnaker is the tack point. I don't race my 320, and don't own any spinnaker. But the boat I do race on (a Cal 48) switched from symmetrical to asymmetrical spinnakers a few years ago by adding a removable bow sprit to get the tack about 3-4 feet forward of the bow. The bowsprit gets the luff of the asymmetrical spinnaker out of the wind shadow of the main at slightly deeper angles, and gives more room to gybe the spinnaker. It's true we can't go dead downwind, but even with a symmetrical spinnaker it was often faster to gybe with the wind at about 120 degrees relative, rather than sailing dead downwind.
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>A prior owner of my 320 reinforced the bow pulpit and added a tang there that I think was intended as a tack point for an asymmetrical spinnaker. I suspect that a removable bowsprit would be more effective because it would get the sail farther forward of the forestay. But I don't see a way to mount a removable sprit so that it wouldn't interfere with the anchor locker. And since I don't race, I have never gotten around to buying any spinnaker.
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>Mark Seyler
>S/V Reality,
>Catalina 320, #232
>New Orleans, LA
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>From: C320-list <c320-lis...@lists.catalina320.com> On Behalf Of Richard Walker via C320-list
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>Subject: Re: [C320-list] Used Asymmetrical Spinnaker
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>Understand
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>> On Jun 24, 2025, at 03:53, Jeff Smith via C320-list <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?I think it depends on the cut of the asym. You can get different
>> a-sails for different points of sail as well as wind speeds. I am
>> currently participating in Block Island race week. I have not seen
>> many, if any at all, symmetricals. For context, I have also raced
>> several blue water races and the same trend is observed there. In our
>> class (performance/cruiser on an XP-44) at Block Island, the entire
>> class uses asymmetricals. We carry four (code zero, a-1 through a-3);
>> they make a difference. And as Doug suggested, they are easier to
>> handle. Granted, this does not invalidate Doug?s comments. My only
>> point is that you will see considerable increases in speed if you have
>> the right asymm for the angle and wind speed you are trying to sail.
>> FWIW.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff
>> #121
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>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2025 at 10:04?PM Nancy Dibble via C320-list <
>>> c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for this insight, Doug.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 23, 2025, at 2:11?PM, Doug Treff via C320-list <
>>> c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Diane,
>>>>
>>>> The real issue is that Asym just doesn't allow you to sail downwind.
>>>> If
>>> you try, the main blankets the Asym and it collapses. To be
>>> competitive in Spinnaker Class, a symmetrical spinnaker with a
>>> traditional pole setup allows you to pole the spinnaker out and get
>>> it out in clear air to windward of the main.
>>>>
>>>> The boat I race on had our butts handed to us for several years in
>>>> Spin
>>> class until we switched to a regular spinnaker. Now, we are competitive.
>>> Full disclosure, this is not a C320, but the principles are the same
>>> on any boat. I've seen the same phenomenon with other boats in the
>>> fleet. None of the boats with Asym ever do consistently well when
>>> competing against boats with symmetrical setups.
>>>>
>>>> There is additional cost and complexity required to fly the
>>>> symmetrical,
>>> and there is more opportunity for mistakes, but once you get a system
>>> worked out - and a consistent foredeck crew - it has made a huge difference.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Doug Treff
>>>> do...@treff.us
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 20, 2025, at 2:34 PM, Diane Fowler via C320-list wrote:
>>>>> We tried racing spinnaker 5 years ago and gave up- I sold sail to
>>>>> my competitor. Our hull shape just doesn't go that much faster.
>>>>> We just jib downwind instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Captain Diane Fowler, CRS, GRI, e-PRO
>>>>>
>>>>> Entrepreneur / REALTOR?
>>>>> Experience Real Estate Group, LLC
>>>>> [1]https://dianefowler.eresuccess.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Cell/Text: (239) 850-4935
>>>>> [2]dian...@aol.com
>>>>> "A referral of your friend is the greatest compliment anyone can
>>>>> give me."
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2025, at 1:17?PM, Nancy Dibble via C320-list
>>>>> <c320...@lists.catalina320.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Hello Catalina 320 Group,
>>>>> I am looking for a used Asymmetrical Spinnaker for sale. We have
>>>>> been doing buoy racing with just our Jib and Main and want to
>>>>> improve our downwind performance.
>>>>> Does anyone have an asym that they'd like to sell?
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> --
>>>>> Nancy Dibble
>>>>> Science Education Instructor/Mentor/Author
>>>>> (559) 240-2024
>>>>>
>>>>> References
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. https://dianefowler.eresuccess.com/
>>>>> 2. mailto:dian...@aol.com
>>>
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[Irving Grunes via C320-list]

We attached a block on the anchor pulp ran a line from a cabin top winch to
a shackle to the asym tac
Easy to adjust tack from the winch
Former #851 owner