[C320-list] Lifeline replacement

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Charles Martin

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Feb 28, 2021, 5:56:53 PMFeb 28
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Dear Shipmates:

I am planning to use the C320 International Association's lifeline crimping
tool to replace my lifelines. Has anyone done this recently? I am
thinking of using 1x19 stainless steel wire at 3/16" diameter (without the
plastic coating). Does anyone know if the tool, which I haven't picked up
yet, will crimp pelican hooks onto this diameter of wire? I am planning to
get the wire and hardware from Defender. Any advice would be appreciated.

Best,
Chip Martin
S/V Bonaventure, hull #767
(410) 231-0199
chipr...@gmail.com

Joe Jablonowski

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Feb 28, 2021, 6:13:45 PMFeb 28
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Or, you can mail your old lifelines to Rigging Only and have them do the work for you. Mine were copied professionally swaged and the lengths perfectly matched.- Joe Jablonowski  s/v Assignment  C 320 #103
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Chris Burti

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Feb 28, 2021, 7:06:10 PMFeb 28
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Chip,
If these are the same tool that I contributed to tha Association, they are robust and will crimp the Johnson fittings securely.

Thanks,
Chris Burti
Commitment, #867
Farmville, NC

Jeff Smith

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Feb 28, 2021, 8:03:15 PMFeb 28
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Chip,

The key is to make sure you buy fittings that are hand-crimp able. Once you do that, even pressure as you tighten both bolts is the key.

Also, make sure you have a good set of cutters that will cut the wire without the ends fraying.

If you search the past threads, I put a detailed write-up out that included the numbers for all of my fittings. If you can’t find it, email me directly and I will send it to you. The only caveat is that I re-used my pelican hooks.

Jeff
‘94, #121

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> Dear Shipmates:

Charles r Martin

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Feb 28, 2021, 9:08:59 PMFeb 28
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Thanks Jeff. I’ll go back and look again.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Chip,

Allan Field

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Chip - It looks like from your area code that you might be local to the
Chesapeake Bay. If so, another option is the rigging shop at West Marine,
Hillsmere, Annapolis. I had them do my C320 many years ago and the job was
excellent. My memory is that they reused my pelican hooks which would have
cut the cost down a lot. This was done in 2011 at a cost of $386.00 total.

Allan S. Field
Sea Shadow - C387,m #103 (formerly C320, #808)
Columbia, MD

Joe Geiger

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We re-did the lifelines on Vega two years ago when we purchased her. We got a kit for the C320 from Catalina Direct that came with all the parts and the crimper tool. They have both coated and non-coated lifelines. Installation took about 2 hours and was pretty straight forward.

With the CD lines you crimp them in several spots along the swage fitting. I don’t think it looks as good as what our rigging shop could have done but it was half the price.


Joe

Joe Geiger
"Vega” Hull #722
Greenwich Cove, RI

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Cheryl Dahl

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Mar 1, 2021, 5:18:48 PMMar 1
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Chip ,
I just replaced mine with CD kit as well .
I purchased from my neighbor at the marina who had ordered them for his
girlfriend’s 310 and she sold the boat .
The CD kit is good for 30 ,310 and 320 .
The instructions call for 5 crimps on each fitting. To expedite the process
I used a cordless impact to drive the two bolts on the swedge tool . One of
the easier projects for our boat .
Cheers
Steve Dahl
#412 Sans Souci

Troy Dunn

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Mar 1, 2021, 7:16:37 PMMar 1
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If you are thinking maybe a rigger then I am definitely a plus one on west
marine rigging shop. They did a fantastic job, it looks very
professional. I can dig up our costs...I don’t think it was double CD DIY
cost, but we did reuse all the hooks etc.

The cost differential was worth the piece of mind and good looks of a
professional install to us. YMWV.

Troy Dunn
Hull #514

Sara Skinner Schroeder

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This email string is timely as I was just getting ready to order the CD pre-made lifelines for my 2000. I looked at the suggestion of sending my old life lines to Rigging Only but they are in Massachusetts. I’m in Seattle. I don’t mind trying this myself but I am a little disconcerted by the thought of having to use the tools and the job not looking professional. Would be interested in thoughts of doing it myself or just jobbing it out to a rigger. It appears the CD cost would be somewhere around $650 for parts only.
Sara
Wandering Star
2000/#707
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Re: GPS malfunction (Michael Leschisin)
> 2. Re: Lifeline replacement (Joe Geiger)
> 3. Re: Lifeline replacement (Cheryl Dahl)
> 4. Re: Lifeline replacement (Troy Dunn)
> 5. Midship cleat on traveler (Scott Westwood)
> 6. Re: Midship cleat on traveler (P.F. Ross)
> 7. Re: Midship cleat on traveler (Christian)
> 8. Re: Midship cleat on traveler (RONALD HODEL)
> 9. Re: Midship cleat on traveler (Steven Snyder)
> 10. Re: Midship cleat on traveler (Jerry Schrock)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:42:33 -0600
> From: Michael Leschisin <mlesc...@imagestudios.com>
> To: "C320...@catalina320.com" <C320...@Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] GPS malfunction
> Message-ID: <26EC1FCB-1B95-4BD1...@imagestudios.com>
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> Hey Crosby,
>
> I chased this same rabbit two winters ago on my C80 display. I?m guessing you?re asking about the same unit when you refer to the ?C-series? in your email?
>
> First thing to check is that you have power going to your external GPS antenna. Mine is wired up so that the GPS display is on its own breaker and the antenna actually draws power from the Auto Pilot circuit. If I have my ?GPS? is powered up but the auto helm breaker is off, I get the "satellite with a slash through it symbol" and ?No Fix? on my display. (Took me a few headache to figure this out). I?m not sure if that?s a standard Catalina install or if its wiring I inherited from the previous owner but for what its worth?.a pretty easy check by powering up your auto helm.
>
> The next thing to check is the battery inside your external GPS antenna (the white mushroom shaped antenna that is on your stern rail). Inside, there is a small button battery that is supposed to last a dozen years or so and once it fails the antenna won?t function. If this is the problem, it can be replaced but its a bit of a challenge since the battery is spot welded in and you have to rip or split the metal tabs from the battery, while not ripping them from the circuit board of the antenna. If you can get it out the new battery needs to be attached but soldering is not a good idea since the lithium battery can explode. You might try an electrically conductive glue (amazon) to reset the battery. I didn?t have any luck with the new battery; I may have damaged the circuit board or according to Raymarine, the antennas have a given life expectancy and at some point they simply give up the ghost.
>
> I ended up ordering a new antenna from Raymarine. They no longer make the old antennas that operated on SeaTalk, so you?ll need to replace it with a Raymarine antenna that now operates on NEMA. You?ll also need a NEMA/SeaTalk converter that brings the signal down to SeaTalk for your C80 display to understand. The converter is a small strip of plugs that can be easily buried in your NAvPod station so not a real big deal. I apologize that I don?t have model numbers for the new antenna or the converter (I?m away from the boat for he season) but the technical services at Raymarine were super helpful and they will get you set up and walk you through what needs to be done. I think it was around $250 for the new antenna and converter.
>
> As I recall, the new antenna came with the wiring preinstalled so my choice was to cut the old wiring and reattach it to the new antenna or to pull the new wiring through the stern rails, under the cockpit and up the pedestal to the NavPod. It was a pain, but I opted for the latter since with my luck the connection and GPS would fail at the exact worst time as I?m trying to navigate around obstacles.
>
> Good luck with it all; hope this helps,
>
>
>
> Michael Leschisin
>
>
> Wild Blue Yonder
> #995
> Menonminee, MI
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>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Crosby Roper <vmda...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Frank How do I tell if it?s saetalk or nmea0183?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Frank Yaskin <fra...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> ?The C classic series do NOT have a built in GPS receiver.
>>> The data is fed from an external sensor via either the SeaTalk network or NEMA0183. So either your external sensor or the cabling to the C-xx is at fault.
>>> Plenty of info on Raymarine clasic units on the web or Raymarines site. If you need a new sensor, Digital Yacht has replacements for the sensor and NEMA to SeaTalk converters at reasonable pricing.
>>> Frank
>>> C-320 #380 Blue Canute
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a C-series Raymarine MFD. I went out the other day and the GPS was not fixing. There was no message saying that the unit could not find a fix/satellites, there was just no data being received. Can anyone give me an idea of where to start troubleshooting this? I'm not sure whether the MFD has a built in GPS module or whether the module is external and linked via NMEA? I checked the C320.org site and someone mentioned that there is a GPS reset menu. I have not tried this yet but will do so next week. The boat was detailed just before this happened. I'm not sure whether that has anything to do with the problem. She looks great, but I'd rather have the GPS!
>>> Crosby Roper VMD
>>> s/v Tethys
>>> Hull 1054
>>> San Diego, CA
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 17:00:12 -0500
> From: Joe Geiger <joe.g...@gmail.com>
> To: "C320...@catalina320.com" <C320...@Catalina320.com>
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lifeline replacement
> Message-ID: <6582852B-7E6F-4511...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> We re-did the lifelines on Vega two years ago when we purchased her. We got a kit for the C320 from Catalina Direct that came with all the parts and the crimper tool. They have both coated and non-coated lifelines. Installation took about 2 hours and was pretty straight forward.
>
> With the CD lines you crimp them in several spots along the swage fitting. I don?t think it looks as good as what our rigging shop could have done but it was half the price.
>
>
> Joe
> ?
> Joe Geiger
> "Vega? Hull #722
> Greenwich Cove, RI
>
>> On Feb 28, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Charles Martin <chipr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Shipmates:
>> I am planning to use the C320 International Association's lifeline crimping
>> tool to replace my lifelines. Has anyone done this recently? I am
>> thinking of using 1x19 stainless steel wire at 3/16" diameter (without the
>> plastic coating). Does anyone know if the tool, which I haven't picked up
>> yet, will crimp pelican hooks onto this diameter of wire? I am planning to
>> get the wire and hardware from Defender. Any advice would be appreciated.
>> Best,
>> Chip Martin
>> S/V Bonaventure, hull #767
>> (410) 231-0199
>> chipr...@gmail.com
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 14:18:26 -0800
> From: Cheryl Dahl <dahl...@gmail.com>
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lifeline replacement
> Message-ID:
> <CANYZm4jjUvEJw4UDTGyaQ8qemdM58yHggskMKLw2m=_2So...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Chip ,
> I just replaced mine with CD kit as well .
> I purchased from my neighbor at the marina who had ordered them for his
> girlfriend?s 310 and she sold the boat .
> The CD kit is good for 30 ,310 and 320 .
> The instructions call for 5 crimps on each fitting. To expedite the process
> I used a cordless impact to drive the two bolts on the swedge tool . One of
> the easier projects for our boat .
> Cheers
> Steve Dahl
> #412 Sans Souci
>
>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 2:00 PM Joe Geiger <joe.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> We re-did the lifelines on Vega two years ago when we purchased her. We
>> got a kit for the C320 from Catalina Direct that came with all the parts
>> and the crimper tool. They have both coated and non-coated lifelines.
>> Installation took about 2 hours and was pretty straight forward.
>> With the CD lines you crimp them in several spots along the swage
>> fitting. I don?t think it looks as good as what our rigging shop could
>> have done but it was half the price.
>> Joe
>> ?
>> Joe Geiger
>> "Vega? Hull #722
>> Greenwich Cove, RI
>>> On Feb 28, 2021, at 5:56 PM, Charles Martin <chipr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Dear Shipmates:
>>> I am planning to use the C320 International Association's lifeline
>> crimping
>>> tool to replace my lifelines. Has anyone done this recently? I am
>>> thinking of using 1x19 stainless steel wire at 3/16" diameter (without
>> the
>>> plastic coating). Does anyone know if the tool, which I haven't picked
>> up
>>> yet, will crimp pelican hooks onto this diameter of wire? I am planning
>> to
>>> get the wire and hardware from Defender. Any advice would be
>> appreciated.
>>> Best,
>>> Chip Martin
>>> S/V Bonaventure, hull #767
>>> (410) 231-0199
>>> chipr...@gmail.com
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 19:16:19 -0500
> From: Troy Dunn <troutw...@gmail.com>
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Lifeline replacement
> Message-ID:
> <CA+rGV8aPX8Ex-n6iMCyzKHJGST6dc08h-aEWbwKe=HmWv...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> If you are thinking maybe a rigger then I am definitely a plus one on west
> marine rigging shop. They did a fantastic job, it looks very
> professional. I can dig up our costs...I don?t think it was double CD DIY
> cost, but we did reuse all the hooks etc.
>
> The cost differential was worth the piece of mind and good looks of a
> professional install to us. YMWV.
>
> Troy Dunn
> Hull #514
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 14:41:24 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Scott Westwood <scottw...@bellsouth.net>
> To: 320 <c320...@catalina320.com>
> Subject: [C320-list] Midship cleat on traveler
> Message-ID: <1726004276.20544...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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> I am not near the boat.? Does anybody know the size Jib traveler for 1998 C320?I decided to go with a cleat on the Jib traveler.? I think it is a 1 inch traveler??? I will measure for sure before I purchase but if anybody else can confirm then it will narrow my search.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Scott Westwood?scottw...@bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 09:46:58 -0500
> From: "P.F. Ross" <pfr...@gmail.com>
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Midship cleat on traveler
> Message-ID:
> <CADNKO4BvmZwYUbdK53a5cXk_...@mail.gmail.com>
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> Scott,
>
> My jib track is 1-1/4".
>
> I use two each Schaefer Mid-Rail cleats (Defender 612955) and they work
> great!
>
> Frank Ross
> Beta Wave #206
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 9:41 AM Scott Westwood <scottw...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I am not near the boat. Does anybody know the size Jib traveler for 1998
>> C320?I decided to go with a cleat on the Jib traveler. I think it is a 1
>> inch traveler?? I will measure for sure before I purchase but if anybody
>> else can confirm then it will narrow my search.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Westwood scottw...@bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 08:51:56 -0600
> From: Christian <cca...@gmail.com>
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Midship cleat on traveler
> Message-ID:
> <CALPivwK=YUTynBx6tej_Eb1Sp3nhn...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Scott,
> 1994, #138, mine is 1 1/4". I got the stainless steel midship from Catalina
> Direct, works nice.
>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 8:47 AM P.F. Ross <pfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Scott,
>> My jib track is 1-1/4".
>> I use two each Schaefer Mid-Rail cleats (Defender 612955) and they work
>> great!
>> Frank Ross
>> Beta Wave #206
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 9:41 AM Scott Westwood <scottw...@bellsouth.net
>> wrote:
>>> I am not near the boat. Does anybody know the size Jib traveler for 1998
>>> C320?I decided to go with a cleat on the Jib traveler. I think it is a 1
>>> inch traveler?? I will measure for sure before I purchase but if anybody
>>> else can confirm then it will narrow my search.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Westwood scottw...@bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 06:55:15 -0800
> From: RONALD HODEL <ronan...@me.com>
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Midship cleat on traveler
> Message-ID: <5B58E19D-818B-40AD...@me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> The track is 1 1/4?
> Ron Hodel
> Lokomaikai #1070
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 6:41 AM, Scott Westwood <scottw...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> ?I am not near the boat. Does anybody know the size Jib traveler for 1998 C320?I decided to go with a cleat on the Jib traveler. I think it is a 1 inch traveler?? I will measure for sure before I purchase but if anybody else can confirm then it will narrow my search.
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Westwood scottw...@bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 09:58:35 -0500
> From: Steven Snyder <mss...@gmail.com>
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Midship cleat on traveler
> Message-ID:
> <CAFrmQcsgeupG=4f+-Ov6fY46NGU6Vx2...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> I used the 1 - 1/4? track Schaefer Mid-Rail cleats (Defender 612955) as
> well.
>
> Steve Snyder
> Windcatcher #1101
>
>
>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 9:52 AM Christian <cca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Scott,
>> 1994, #138, mine is 1 1/4". I got the stainless steel midship from Catalina
>> Direct, works nice.
>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 8:47 AM P.F. Ross <pfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>> My jib track is 1-1/4".
>>> I use two each Schaefer Mid-Rail cleats (Defender 612955) and they work
>>> great!
>>> Frank Ross
>>> Beta Wave #206
>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 9:41 AM Scott Westwood <
>> scottw...@bellsouth.net
>>> wrote:
>>>> I am not near the boat. Does anybody know the size Jib traveler for
>> 1998
>>>> C320?I decided to go with a cleat on the Jib traveler. I think it is
>> a 1
>>>> inch traveler?? I will measure for sure before I purchase but if
>> anybody
>>>> else can confirm then it will narrow my search.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Scott Westwood scottw...@bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 11:20:04 -0600
> From: Jerry Schrock <jschr...@comcast.net>
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Midship cleat on traveler
> Message-ID: <00D9DAEC-C283-4E67...@comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Track on mine is 1 1/4 in. 1998 #500
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 08:52, Christian <cca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ?Scott,
>> 1994, #138, mine is 1 1/4". I got the stainless steel midship from Catalina
>> Direct, works nice.
>>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 8:47 AM P.F. Ross <pfr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>> My jib track is 1-1/4".
>>> I use two each Schaefer Mid-Rail cleats (Defender 612955) and they work
>>> great!
>>> Frank Ross
>>> Beta Wave #206
>>> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 9:41 AM Scott Westwood <scottw...@bellsouth.net
>>> wrote:
>>>> I am not near the boat. Does anybody know the size Jib traveler for 1998
>>>> C320?I decided to go with a cleat on the Jib traveler. I think it is a 1
>>>> inch traveler?? I will measure for sure before I purchase but if anybody
>>>> else can confirm then it will narrow my search.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Scott Westwood scottw...@bellsouth.net C (919)- 819-9794
>
>
>
> End of C320-list Digest, Vol 3952, Issue 1
> ******************************************

Troy Dunn

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Sarah

West Marine has a rigging shop n Seattle. I'm by no means a West Marine
fan boy, but in the case of lifeline rigging I was really impressed with
the job they did. Go with bare wire, it gives the boat a cleaner look to my
eye and it may stave off the inevitable crevice corrosion you get on vinyl
covered wire.

FWIW

Troy Dunn
Hull #514

islg...@aol.com

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I spoke to West Marine yesterday and they estimated $550 -600 using me existing hardware. They are worth a call.
RichBarbara Rita 897

Bruce Heyman

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We used the San Diego West Marine rigging shop many years ago to replace our lifelines on our previous boat. The whole process worked out very well.
Bruce
Somerset, San Pedro, CA

Daniel Kolean

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I had WM do mine, plastic covered, great job, very happy.

Dan Kolean
ENRICH. #498

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 5:25 AM, Troy Dunn <troutw...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Sarah

Louis Spitz

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My 1995 boat has multiple ‘dings’ that need to be refinished. Any thoughts on Evercoat Gel-Kote vs. Interlux Brightside, with & without primer pre-kote?
Thanks in advance.
Lou Spitz
1995 C320 Merry Chase

Timothy Woods

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I have a 1996 and fixed all my Nick's with Spectrum color matching gelcoat
past. The color was really close and wasn't hard to work with.

Tim
Hull #375

Louis Spitz

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thanks, Tim- I’ll check it out.

Jack Brennan

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I painted my old Bristol, a 1974, and would never use one-part paint again on a boat.

UV causes it to fade in a couple of years, and it stains much easier than gelcoat. After enough time, it will start to chip. Thus begins a never-ending cycle of painting and repainting.

With high-quality gelcoat like our Catalinas, it is always worthwhile to take the time to patch the gelcoat properly and wax it a couple of times a year. Spectrum has also done the job for me.

Jack Brennan
Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
Tierra Verde, Fl.

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Louis Spitz

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thanks, Jack!

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Jack Brennan <jackb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> I painted my old Bristol, a 1974, and would never use one-part paint again on a boat.
>
> UV causes it to fade in a couple of years, and it stains much easier than gelcoat. After enough time, it will start to chip. Thus begins a never-ending cycle of painting and repainting.
>
> With high-quality gelcoat like our Catalinas, it is always worthwhile to take the time to patch the gelcoat properly and wax it a couple of times a year. Spectrum has also done the job for me.
>
> Jack Brennan
> Sonas, 1998 Catalina 320
> Tierra Verde, Fl.
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Timothy Woods
> Sent: Wednesday, June 9, 2021 12:47 PM
> To: C320...@catalina320.com
> Subject: Re: [C320-list] Evercoat One Step Finish Gel-Kote vs. Interlux Brightside
>

Michael Leschisin

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Has anyone found a direct color match source for patching the gray non-skid gel coat? (Mine is 2004). I have not found anything on the Catalina direct site, I checked with Spectrum Color but their minimum order for it would be a full quart at around $100 plus crazy shipping cost. I have about four dime size nicks I would like to take care of so I think it will take me 25 years to use a full quart.

Thanks,

Michael Leschisin
Wild Blue Yonder
#995
Menominee, MI


> On Jun 9, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Timothy Woods <woodst...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I have a 1996 and fixed all my Nick's with Spectrum color matching gelcoat

John Frost

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Jun 9, 2021, 7:47:29 PMJun 9
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Some Gel Coat tips from Practical Sailor



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Repairing Crazed Gelcoat









Excerpted from Fiberglass Boat Repair Illustrated

On some early fiberglass boats you may encounter crazed gelcoat – that is, gelcoat that has hardened and become covered with a random network of small cracks. These cracks are not only unsightly, they can allow moisture into the underlying laminate. This is especially problematic for a cored hull or deck, where moisture can easily disrupt the core-skin bond, but even a single-skin hull can suffer blistering or internal delamination from invading moisture.

To repair crazing, first sand the crazed area with 100-grit sandpaper, then wipe down the surface with a solvent such as Interlux’s 2333N Reducing Solvent or DuPont’s Prep-Sol. Do not use acetone for this, as it is fast-drying and may not keep wax and grease in suspension long enough for you to wipe them off. Repair any dents, gouges, or other flaws with a thickened epoxy putty as described above, sand again (this time progressing to 150- to 220-grit) to ensure a smooth hull, and wipe down with solvent again. Follow this by undercoating with a primer. If you are using a two-part linear polyurethane paint (LPU) you will want to use the primer recommended by the maker, usually a two-part primer. If you are going to paint with a one-part topcoat, however, a one-part primer is appropriate. For best compatibility, you should use a primer and topcoat from the same manufacturer. Sand the primer coat with 220- to 320-grit if you think you will need two layers of topcoat, and/or 320- and then 400-grit prior to the final topcoat. You can either roll and tip the topcoat or have a professional spray it for you.

A severe case of crazing may require you to grind away the crazed gelcoat altogether, in which case you will need to replace it with new gelcoat (vinylester as opposed to polyester for underwater portions of the hull) or with an epoxy fairing compound, which can be troweled on much like spackling compound in a home. Another option is to make your own fairing compound by mixing a micro-ballon thickener into an epoxy or polyester resin. Boatyard workers use battens and specialized techniques to fair a hull, but you can achieve good results on your own by fairing a section at a time and building up the fairing in layers no more than 1/8 inch (3 mm) thick. After the last layer of fairing compound has set, the hull should be longboarded to ensure that it is fair and smooth.

For more tips and techniques to help you maintain and repair your fiberglass boat, purchase Fiberglass Boat Repairs Illustrated.





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Dave Hupe

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Jun 9, 2021, 8:06:02 PMJun 9
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I would suggest instead trying to use white finish gelcoat from West Marine and try to blend your own color using black tint to get a grey.  You can afford to waste a lot at that cost to get the color you want. 
Dave Hupe1994 (#32)

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On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 7:42 PM, Michael Leschisin<mlesc...@imagestudios.com> wrote: Has anyone found a direct color match source for patching the gray non-skid gel coat? (Mine is 2004). I have not found anything on the Catalina direct site, I checked with Spectrum Color but their minimum order for it would be a full quart at around $100 plus crazy shipping cost.  I have about four dime size nicks I would like to take care of so I think it will take me 25 years to use a full quart.   

Chris Burti

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Jun 10, 2021, 11:34:40 AMJun 10
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I did exactly what Dave recommended and was able to get a perfect color
match on the first try. I was repairing a void that had broken through in
the non-skid. I taped off the area I was working on and used the edge of a
flat rasp to cut out the non-skid diamonds before the gelocat fully
hardened and then smoothed them out with 1000 grit wet /dry on a sanding
block after it had fully hardened.

Fair Winds,
Chris Burti
Commitment #867
Farmville, NC

Dave Hupe

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Jun 10, 2021, 12:06:55 PMJun 10
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Chris-
I am not sure about your post.  Did you roughly replicate the diamond pattern within your repair area with your rasp/file?  Was this area small so that such an approach worked?
Thanks,Dave Hupe1994 (#32)

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On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:34 AM, Chris Burti<clb...@gmail.com> wrote: I did exactly what Dave recommended and was able to get a perfect color

Chris Burti

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Jun 10, 2021, 2:23:30 PMJun 10
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Dave,
Yes it was about quarter size... but I have done similar repairs up to
about 6 inches in diameter/square...bigger than that, and it becomes
easier to simply make a mold out of silicon and feather the joint with a
rasp. The material is easy to work after it has kicked, but hasn't yet
hardened.

Fair Winds,
Chris Burti
Commitment #867
Farmville, NC


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