To publish diacritical characters
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Srinivasan Acharya
Mar 30, 2013, 3:56:14 AM3/30/13
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Dear Scholars,
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Thanks and Regards,
Srinivasan Acharya
Namamsi,
Does Unicode diacritical characters are supported by all kinds of Operating systems and application softwares such as PageMaker, InDesign and MS Word.
We found Tahoma as sole compatible font for paginating through Adobe InDesign and Windows XP to publish these characters.
However, Windows 7 supports with all kind of fonts. May you please let us know the inadequacy; is any DLL missing or is it of other issue?
We sought for some technicians, which did not help, as they were unaware of Sanskrit-Roman transliteration exercises. It is better to seek veterans help.
May you please guide!
ॐ तत् सत् - नमांसि
Thanks and Regards,
Srinivasan Acharya
narayanan er
Mar 30, 2013, 5:10:54 AM3/30/13
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MSWord does support all Unicode characters.
PageMaker does not support any Unicode characters.
Windows XP accepts (to be made enable) all Unicode characters like Roman with diacritics and Devanagari, and etc.
Please see this site:
http://www.unicode.org/standard/WhatIsUnicode.html
Like Windows 7 etc., Linux programs like Fedora, Ubuntu are more convenient for the purpose. One can have Windows (any version) and Linux (any program) simultaneously in one machine and could be used alternatively.
The diCrunch is one of the options to have Roman diacritical marks.
Please see the following links:
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Srinivasan Acharya
Mar 30, 2013, 6:14:24 AM3/30/13
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Dear Sir,
I am extremely thankful to you. We use Baraha 9.1, Diac_Unic, Shree-Lipi 7.2 to type these characters. Is it possible to publish these characters through Adobe products in Win XP?
Thanks,
Srinivasan Acharya
Manipal (Karnataka)
Dipak Bhattacharya
Mar 30, 2013, 7:18:54 AM3/30/13
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Dear Colleagues,
I am no expert like Dr. Narayanan but my own experience
tells that it is MS Word 2010 installed in Windows 7 that accepts all Unicode
compatible fonts. I cite one example that is Gandhari Unicode. MS Word 2007 had
no place for the GU which I had downloaded. As soon as I changed to MSW 2010
some space was available for GU in the ‘Fonts’ file of Windows! I could not
solve the mystery of this refusal by Windows 7/MSW 2007.
The advantage of GU is that it has the vocalic that is
inter-consonantal/ante-consonantal initial/post-consonantal final r with a ring
below the r. In AU MS only a dot below the r is allowed as in ṛta, kṛta or pitṛ.
It is very unfortunate that the Internet in general does not
show GU’s vocalic r with a ring below. I am writing that with GU but am afraid
that in some computers the internet will show a distortion. //
//
Best
DB
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narayanan er
Mar 30, 2013, 7:53:33 AM3/30/13
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Respected Sir,
I am not an expert in anything.
What Shri. Srinivasan Acharya wants is the Adobe Products like PageMaker, Coral Draw, InDesign etc. should support the Unicode characters in Windows of any version. He says that he was successful with W7 in this regard. He wanted the same service of Unicode characters in W-XP too appear appropriately in the Adobe based functions. As far as my limited experience goes, PageMakers (5.0, 6.5, 7.0 etc.) (for books formatting purpose) in upto W-XP versions do not support the Unicode characters, but MSWord do support. Such formatting programmes function on depending on the installed fonts in the system.
Ṛtaṃ, Pitṛ, Kṛtaṃ may not appear as we read here, in PageMaker like devices in and upto the versions till WXP. So as ऋतम्, पितृ, कृतम् also. There you may get either blank or the characters (meaningless to the context) like ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘. I do not know the reason behind this.
I stopped using any programs of Microsoft Windows and shifted to use the new comfortable versions of Fedora and Ubuntu. I face no problem in using Roman with diacritics or Devanagari or Malayalam-all Unicode characters. But I do not know how to put the anudātta and svarita markings to the corresponding vowels, as you do successfully with Roman and Devanagari.
Thank you very much Sir.
Regards,
Narayanan
I am not an expert in anything.
What Shri. Srinivasan Acharya wants is the Adobe Products like PageMaker, Coral Draw, InDesign etc. should support the Unicode characters in Windows of any version. He says that he was successful with W7 in this regard. He wanted the same service of Unicode characters in W-XP too appear appropriately in the Adobe based functions. As far as my limited experience goes, PageMakers (5.0, 6.5, 7.0 etc.) (for books formatting purpose) in upto W-XP versions do not support the Unicode characters, but MSWord do support. Such formatting programmes function on depending on the installed fonts in the system.
Ṛtaṃ, Pitṛ, Kṛtaṃ may not appear as we read here, in PageMaker like devices in and upto the versions till WXP. So as ऋतम्, पितृ, कृतम् also. There you may get either blank or the characters (meaningless to the context) like ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘ ࿘. I do not know the reason behind this.
I stopped using any programs of Microsoft Windows and shifted to use the new comfortable versions of Fedora and Ubuntu. I face no problem in using Roman with diacritics or Devanagari or Malayalam-all Unicode characters. But I do not know how to put the anudātta and svarita markings to the corresponding vowels, as you do successfully with Roman and Devanagari.
Thank you very much Sir.
Regards,
Narayanan
From: Dipak Bhattacharya <dbhattach...@yahoo.com>
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Dipak Bhattacharya
Mar 30, 2013, 10:13:51 AM3/30/13
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Dear Dr. Narayanan,
The report must be true. Is the bad experience with Windows post-MSW 2010 or pre-MSW 2010? With your versatile linux you may not find the nice difference between the various combinations of the different versions the MSW with different versions of the Windows. In order to maintain it high profit business the Windows MS combination is continuously rendering its previous versions unviable making them incompatible with new ones. The young people will buy the new versions so that elders, just not to allow a communication gap with the new generation, have to go for continuous and expensive updating. It is in this wheel of continuous run and extraction that the problems lie.
Another thing, PageMaker has itself become outdated because of the flexibility of the new versions of ADOBE. That too may have to do something with the problem. I do not know.
I cannot speak anything on the problem without myself handling that
Best
DB
The report must be true. Is the bad experience with Windows post-MSW 2010 or pre-MSW 2010? With your versatile linux you may not find the nice difference between the various combinations of the different versions the MSW with different versions of the Windows. In order to maintain it high profit business the Windows MS combination is continuously rendering its previous versions unviable making them incompatible with new ones. The young people will buy the new versions so that elders, just not to allow a communication gap with the new generation, have to go for continuous and expensive updating. It is in this wheel of continuous run and extraction that the problems lie.
Another thing, PageMaker has itself become outdated because of the flexibility of the new versions of ADOBE. That too may have to do something with the problem. I do not know.
I cannot speak anything on the problem without myself handling that
Best
DB
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Sent: Saturday, 30 March 2013 5:23 PM
Sent: Saturday, 30 March 2013 5:23 PM
Srinivasan Acharya
Apr 1, 2013, 3:11:00 AM4/1/13
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Thank you all.
I tried all the possible ways to publish diacritical characters. As Dr Naryanan mentioned, Adobe fails to publish any Unicode characters in previous Operating Systems. MS Word installed in previous OSs also could not publish roman characters in the fonts other than Tahoma and Arial Unicode MS.
I do not know whether Leap Office was helpful in this regard. If so, how; also why Adobe is not helpful for Unicode?
Thanks,
Srinivasan Acharya
Manipal (Karnataka)
Dipak Bhattacharya
Apr 1, 2013, 4:17:22 AM4/1/13
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Dear Acharyaji,
iLEAP might help in the following way. Type in Devnagari. You will find the inscript mode as default. Then click on the Tools tab above that will show a drop down list with 'Transliterate' option. Click on it, you will get the option 'Roman'. Select your Devanagari text and click on the ''Roman' option. You to have ā ī ū etc for आ, ई, ऊ etc.
But iLEAP is unstable and often reports file-damage for apparently no fault of the user.
If you have Windows 7 and the MSW 2007 or 2010 the solution will come from the Insert tab just to the right of the Home tab on the top bar usually called Tool Bar. First choose AU MS as font. Then click on the Insert tab. On the extreme right you will see the Symbol tab. Click at the arrow below and a drop down list or board will appear. Search through the Symbol board. You will find all the diacritics. Select your character and click on 'Insert' below. You get the character in your MSW file. You may also produce your short cut for which a box is available.
Please inform if this helped
Best
DB
iLEAP might help in the following way. Type in Devnagari. You will find the inscript mode as default. Then click on the Tools tab above that will show a drop down list with 'Transliterate' option. Click on it, you will get the option 'Roman'. Select your Devanagari text and click on the ''Roman' option. You to have ā ī ū etc for आ, ई, ऊ etc.
But iLEAP is unstable and often reports file-damage for apparently no fault of the user.
If you have Windows 7 and the MSW 2007 or 2010 the solution will come from the Insert tab just to the right of the Home tab on the top bar usually called Tool Bar. First choose AU MS as font. Then click on the Insert tab. On the extreme right you will see the Symbol tab. Click at the arrow below and a drop down list or board will appear. Search through the Symbol board. You will find all the diacritics. Select your character and click on 'Insert' below. You get the character in your MSW file. You may also produce your short cut for which a box is available.
Please inform if this helped
Best
DB
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Dipak Bhattacharya
Apr 1, 2013, 6:30:40 AM4/1/13
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From: Dipak Bhattacharya <dbhattach...@yahoo.com>
To: Devanand Shukl <dev....@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 1 April 2013 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} To publish diacritical characters
Dear Shri Shukla,
Thanks for the post. But is that necessary when one can have inbuilt diacritics with the mechanism of manufacturing shortcuts provided by Windows itself. For example, I use alt+a for ā
Windows also provides a mechanism for moving between English, Sanskrit, Hindi and many other languages like Kannad, Tamil, Russian etc. Just go to the Control Panel, choose 'Region and Language', choose 'Keyboard change', opt for Sanskrit or Hindi. You will be offered choice of placing language name in the Task bar and short cut keys for English, Sanskrit, Hindi, Bengali etc.
In fact Windows 7 and Microsoft 2010 (also 2007) have made working with non-English languages much easier than formerly. I feel this with much pleasure and relief because when we began using the computer in the eighties we worked with DOS which called for inserting a card for the Devnagari script. Transcription was cumbersome and avoided. Diacritics were added manually by many users just to avoid hazards.
Miles ahead now.
From: Devanand Shukl <dev....@gmail.com>
To: dbhattach...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, 1 April 2013 2:43 PM
Thanks for the post. But is that necessary when one can have inbuilt diacritics with the mechanism of manufacturing shortcuts provided by Windows itself. For example, I use alt+a for ā
Windows also provides a mechanism for moving between English, Sanskrit, Hindi and many other languages like Kannad, Tamil, Russian etc. Just go to the Control Panel, choose 'Region and Language', choose 'Keyboard change', opt for Sanskrit or Hindi. You will be offered choice of placing language name in the Task bar and short cut keys for English, Sanskrit, Hindi, Bengali etc.
In fact Windows 7 and Microsoft 2010 (also 2007) have made working with non-English languages much easier than formerly. I feel this with much pleasure and relief because when we began using the computer in the eighties we worked with DOS which called for inserting a card for the Devnagari script. Transcription was cumbersome and avoided. Diacritics were added manually by many users just to avoid hazards.
Miles ahead now.
Best
DB
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To: dbhattach...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, 1 April 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} To publish diacritical characters
Respected Scholars
Please use this link to write Unicode diacritical characters.धन्यवादः
*********************************************************************************************
DR. DEVANAND SHUKL
Programme Officer
Maharshi Sandipani Rastriya Veda Vidya Pratisthana
(An autonomous organisation of the MHRD Govt. of India)
Vedavidya Marg, Chintamana Ganesh, Javasiya, Ujjain 456006
*********************************************************************************************
DR. DEVANAND SHUKL
Programme Officer
Maharshi Sandipani Rastriya Veda Vidya Pratisthana
(An autonomous organisation of the MHRD Govt. of India)
Vedavidya Marg, Chintamana Ganesh, Javasiya, Ujjain 456006
Michel Danino
Apr 2, 2013, 9:42:58 AM4/2/13
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Namaste,
As far as I know, Adobe’s InDesign on a Windows 7 platform (and possibly XP) should accept any Unicode font (the old PageMaker isn’t Unicode compatible, but InDesign is).
The best Unicode font, in my opinion (from an aesthetical point of view), is Gentium Book Basic, which can be downloaded for free from a number of websites, for instance:
http://www.fontspace.com/sil-international/gentium-book-basic
http://openfontlibrary.org/font/gentium
http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ttf-sil-gentium-basic
Michel
Srinivasan Acharya <srinivas...@gmail.com> Apr 01 12:41PM +0530
rniyengar
Apr 2, 2013, 11:40:09 AM4/2/13
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Sri Acharya
If I have followed the question correctly, it is to convert a
devanagari script composition to a carry-any-where presentation such
as power point through Adobe on a normal computer with XP. This is
straightforward if you have a .pdf writer/converter. My usual approach
after many trials and errors is to compose in Roman on Baraha
(desktop). This has provision for conversion to other scripts. On the
converted part rightclick for 'copy special'. The material can be
pasted on to a word document. Save as .doc file. Since Baraha is
installed this can be read in Devanagari. However this can not be
transported. Next convert this to a .pdf file. Baraha font faces are
very sharp and clear. Once a pdf is created this can be sent by email
as attachment to others for direct reading, or copy (image file) paste
on Power point. If this was not the problem pl excuse me. I just liked
to share my experiment on which I have spent some time.
regards
RN Iyengar
On Mar 30, 3:14 pm, Srinivasan Acharya <srinivasanacha...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~tomw/java/unicode.html#x0000
>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Srinivasan Acharya <srinivasanacha...@gmail.com>
> > *To:* BVP <bvpar...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, 30 March 2013 1:26 PM
> > *Subject:* {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} To publish diacritical characters
> > For more options, visithttps://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
If I have followed the question correctly, it is to convert a
devanagari script composition to a carry-any-where presentation such
as power point through Adobe on a normal computer with XP. This is
straightforward if you have a .pdf writer/converter. My usual approach
after many trials and errors is to compose in Roman on Baraha
(desktop). This has provision for conversion to other scripts. On the
converted part rightclick for 'copy special'. The material can be
pasted on to a word document. Save as .doc file. Since Baraha is
installed this can be read in Devanagari. However this can not be
transported. Next convert this to a .pdf file. Baraha font faces are
very sharp and clear. Once a pdf is created this can be sent by email
as attachment to others for direct reading, or copy (image file) paste
on Power point. If this was not the problem pl excuse me. I just liked
to share my experiment on which I have spent some time.
regards
RN Iyengar
On Mar 30, 3:14 pm, Srinivasan Acharya <srinivasanacha...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Dear Sir,
>
> I am extremely thankful to you. We use Baraha 9.1, Diac_Unic, Shree-Lipi
> 7.2 to type these characters. Is it possible to publish these characters
> through Adobe products in Win XP?
>
> Thanks,
> Srinivasan Acharya
>
>
> I am extremely thankful to you. We use Baraha 9.1, Diac_Unic, Shree-Lipi
> 7.2 to type these characters. Is it possible to publish these characters
> through Adobe products in Win XP?
>
> Thanks,
> Srinivasan Acharya
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 2:40 PM, narayanan er <drernaraya...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > MSWord does support all Unicode characters.
> > PageMaker does not support any Unicode characters.
> > Windows XP accepts (to be made enable) all Unicode characters like Roman
> > with diacritics and Devanagari, and etc.
> > Please see this site:http://www.unicode.org/standard/WhatIsUnicode.html
> > Like Windows 7 etc., Linux programs like Fedora, Ubuntu are more
> > convenient for the purpose. One can have Windows (any version) and Linux
> > (any program) simultaneously in one machine and could be used alternatively.
> > The diCrunch is one of the options to have Roman diacritical marks.
> > Please see the following links:
> >http://www.codewallah.com/diCrunch/diCrunch.php
> >http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>
> >http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd374081%28v=...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > MSWord does support all Unicode characters.
> > PageMaker does not support any Unicode characters.
> > Windows XP accepts (to be made enable) all Unicode characters like Roman
> > with diacritics and Devanagari, and etc.
> > Please see this site:http://www.unicode.org/standard/WhatIsUnicode.html
> > Like Windows 7 etc., Linux programs like Fedora, Ubuntu are more
> > convenient for the purpose. One can have Windows (any version) and Linux
> > (any program) simultaneously in one machine and could be used alternatively.
> > The diCrunch is one of the options to have Roman diacritical marks.
> > Please see the following links:
> >http://www.codewallah.com/diCrunch/diCrunch.php
> >http://www.unicode.org/charts/
>
> >http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~tomw/java/unicode.html#x0000
>
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Srinivasan Acharya <srinivasanacha...@gmail.com>
> > *To:* BVP <bvpar...@googlegroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, 30 March 2013 1:26 PM
> > *Subject:* {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} To publish diacritical characters
Srinivasan Acharya
Apr 3, 2013, 1:59:37 AM4/3/13
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Dear Sirs,
I am indeed glad and indebted to you for the information. I will go through your suggestions.
Unicode fonts are executable commonly in all platforms and they are efficient. However, I would like to execute them through Adobe products in XP OS.
I need a solution, as my efforts went in vain.
Regards,
Srinivasan Acharya
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श्रीमल्ललितालालितः
Apr 3, 2013, 2:16:29 AM4/3/13
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Adobe Products starting from Master Suite 5.5 support unicode fonts. Although, you need to apply a script to enable unicode typing on 5.5 products.
In version 6, you don't need to apply even this script. Adobe has done it for you.
This was for adobe products.
XP supports unicode fonts. But, you need to activate support for this. Please, check this link :
I know that these two things work perfectly independent of each other. But, I'm not sure about compatibility of Adobe Products towards XP. You may give it a try.
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