Unicode fonts with Adobe Indesign

[N Nandana]

Dear all,

We are the official publishers of the books of Pujya Swami Dayananda Saraswati of Arsha Vidya.  We have many publications which necessitate Devanagari fonts, such as Upanishads with bhashyam.  The hurdle we are facing in using Unicode Sanskrit fonts is with our publishing software - Adobe Indesign.  It does not recognise Unicode.  As many of you must be publishers of Sanskrit texts, or may know of others who publish in Unicode Devanagari, would anyone be able to suggest a solution to this issue?  Or could someone suggest publishing software which accepts unicode?  It is very strange that Adobe doesn't support unicode when the whole world is using it!

Thank you - any help is much appreciated.

Nandana Nagraj

[Rakesh Das]

Adobe does not support unicode.

There are some alternatives.

1. The best way is using latex (miktex if you use windows). It is easy.

You may type the matter in word (ms-word or open office or libre office provides word). Then the settings can be done in latex. Even some word to latex conversion is available.

2. The second way is using ms-publisher. It is somehow similar to pagemaker or indesign. But not used commercially. I have not seen people using publisher for dtp (usually books, thesis etc.)

3. If you use linux platform there is a software scribus. Not very popular.

Personally I use, prefer and suggest latex for any kind of publication. In fact I have designed my ph.d. thesis and at least 15 books in latex. Personally I can assist you if necessary.

I attach a file designed in latex. It is in book form. The font used is Sanskrit 2003 (unicode). It is a bi-yearly literary magazine. Since, I am the sub-editor I use latex for setting the magazine.

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Belur Math Howrah.

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[shankara]

Namaste,

Adobe has a Middle Eastern Version, which supports indic Unicode fonts. Please read the discussion at the link given below.

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/287529 

regards
shankara

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[Rakesh Das]

Even in Middle Eastern Version there is a lot of font issues. Many characters does not appear properly.

[shankara]

Sir,

Thanks for the clarification.

I have not used Adobe middle eastern version. So, I took the information given at the adobe forum at face value.

 

regards
shankara

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Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Unicode fonts with Adobe Indesign

[Michel Danino]

Namaste,

 

I think InDesign CS6 does support Unicode. Please see attached a file I just composed in that software, then turned into PDF. It is in Gentium Book Basic, a Unicode font, and most of the diacritical characters are exclusive to Unicode. It appears fine on my system; if it does so on yours (without installing Gentium Book Basic, that is), then the test is successful.

 

You may explore:

https://www.google.co.in/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHVO_en-GBIN541IN541&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Does+InDesign+CS6+support+unicode+fonts

and in particular

http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1924553&seqNum=3

which clearly implies full support to Unicode for all kinds of languages.

 

Also you may search for “Unicode” in InDesign’s manual at http://helpx.adobe.com/pdf/indesign_reference.pdf . An extract (there are many more references):

Text-file import options

If you select Show Import Options when placing a text file, you can choose from these options:

Character Set

Specifies the computer language character set, such as ANSI, Unicode UTF8, or Windows CE, that was used to create the text file. The default selection is the character set that corresponds to the default language and platform of InDesign or InCopy.

Specifies the computer language character set, such as ANSI, Unicode UTF8, Shift JIS, or Chinese Big 5, that was used to create the text file. The default selection is the character set that corresponds to the default language and platform of InDesign or InCopy.

 

This also implies full support. You may have to experiment with ANSI and UTF8 import options.

 

Sorry I can’t be more precise as I am relatively new to InDesign, but I would be very surprised if there was no way around the difficulty.

 

Best wishes,

 

Michel

 

 

 

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Unicode fonts with Adobe Indesign

N Nandana <anjoo...@gmail.com>: Sep 15 10:53PM -0700

Dear all,   We are the official publishers of the books of Pujya Swami Dayananda Saraswati of Arsha Vidya. We have many publications which necessitate Devanagari fonts, such as Upanishads with bhashyam. The hurdle we are facing in using Unicode Sanskrit fonts is with our publishing software - Adobe Indesign. It does not recognise Unicode. As many of you must be publishers of Sanskrit texts, or may know of others who publish in Unicode Devanagari, would anyone be able to suggest a solution to this issue? Or could someone suggest publishing software which accepts unicode? It is very strange that Adobe doesn't support unicode when the whole world is using it!   Thank you - any help is much appreciated.   Nandana Nagraj

Rakesh Das <rak...@gmail.com>: Sep 16 11:43AM +0530

Adobe does not support unicode.   There are some alternatives. 1. The best way is using latex (miktex if you use windows). It is easy. You may type the matter in word (ms-word or open office or libre office provides word). Then the settings can be done in latex. Even some word to latex conversion is available. 2. The second way is using ms-publisher. It is somehow similar to pagemaker or indesign. But not used commercially. I have not seen people using publisher for dtp (usually books, thesis etc.) 3. If you use linux platform there is a software scribus. Not very popular.   Personally I use, prefer and suggest latex for any kind of publication. In fact I have designed my ph.d. thesis and at least 15 books in latex. Personally I can assist you if necessary.   I attach a file designed in latex. It is in book form. The font used is Sanskrit 2003 (unicode). It is a bi-yearly literary magazine. Since, I am the sub-editor I use latex for setting the magazine.

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*राकेश दाशः* *Rakesh Das*

Asst. Professor Dept. of Sanskrit Studies Ramakrishna Mission Vivekananda University Belur Math Howrah.

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Scribus has a windows version too. I am using it.

 

Inkscape is an open source alternative for Corel Draw, accepts Indic Unicode fonts, saves files in svg, ps, eps etc. that can be used in DTP softwares.

 

 

Nagaraj Paturi

 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

[Narendra Dutt Tiwari]

PraNAmaH

                In this matter I would like to suggest  APS software which uses Unicode fonts. It is specially designed for DTP( Desk Top Publication) 

With regards

Narendra Dutt Tiwari

Research Offecer

IGNCA, ERC, Varanasi

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Yes. Vidwan Narendra Dutt Tiwari educated at least me about this great software.

 

This software APS Designer 5.0 seems to be exactly suitable for the purpose.

 

Made for indic fonts.

 

Supports both Unicode and non-Unicode fonts.

 

But it is commercial.  

 

There are APS Designer 6.0 , APS RUPANTAR,  APS Saral - versions.

 

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[Shrivathsa B]

Where does one download this software?

[Sampath Kumar]

Namaste
Is it better than Baraha SW?

[S R Ivaturi]

@nandana
Which version of Adobe Id have you been using? CS5 and CS6 have indic support. However you have to select the indic  preference through the script. In fact Adobe has its own Adobe Devnagari font also. If your version is an earlier version you have to rely on some third party software.

Dr. I. Srinivasa Rao     

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

There is a Buy Now button at the bottom right corner of each product page. e.g. APS Designer 6.0

[Narendra Dutt Tiwari]

PranAmAH

                I would prefer SARAL to other APS versions because you can convert the other venders font to APS and one can also make PADANUKRAM SUCHI.

with regards

Narendra Dutt Tiwari

On Wednesday, September 16, 2015 at 11:23:06 AM UTC+5:30, N Nandana wrote:

[Amba Kulkarni]

Can anybody tell me the advantages of such softwares over Latex?

The advantages of Latex, to list a few, are:

a) It is free, so I do not have to pay for upgrades or new versions

b) The source files are plain text files that can be ported from one system to the other.

    This also means I can use my own editor to make the corrections, modifications etc.

c) Even after 25 years, I can have access to the original files and rebuild the pdfs.

d) With Xelatex there is full support for Unicode.

Amba Kulkarni

आ नो भद्रा: क्रतवो यन्तु विश्वत: ll
Let noble thoughts come to us from every side.
- Rig Veda, I-89-i.
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Department of Sanskrit Studies
University of Hyderabad

Prof. C.R. Rao Road 

Hyderabad-500 046

(91) 040 23133802(off)

http://sanskrit.uohyd.ac.in/scl
http://sanskrit.uohyd.ac.in/faculty/amba

[Rakesh Das]

APS costs nearly ₹5000/-. So are Akruti etc. Indesign files are not supported without you install indesign. That again costs nearly ₹3000/- or something. Latex is free and portable. you can carry your file anywhere and can edit it on any machine without any extra software installed. The file size is also minimum as it is a text file. I think this thread may be finished here.

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

​Rakesh Das wrote "I think this thread may be finished here'

If there is more to discuss please continue. Detailed costs of packages are best discussed with vendors who provide them either off line or on line

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
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