Gayatri japa-kale vareNyam vs vareNiyam

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venkat veeraraghavan

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Nov 3, 2019, 2:23:02 PM11/3/19
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Dear Vidvans,

This thread is about the simmering controversy on varENyam vs varENiyam at the time of Japa and which for m is used for arghya.

Now I remember that Shri Venkata Sriram ji and others gave me references for varENiyam (japa kale) and varENyam for arghya and during adhyayana.

The following video at 1 hour and 24 seconds says the exact opposite!


Kindly comment,

I apologise for not posting this on the original thread since I have been unable to find it.

Regards,

Venkat

Krishna Kashyap

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Nov 3, 2019, 2:48:51 PM11/3/19
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Namaskaram Sri Venkat,

This controversy has divided many people into different groups. It is interesting that such a fundamental gayathri mantra should be the place for such a controversy which has involved great scholars and still people remain divided so vehemently for such a long time!!

Thanks for bringing this up. However, I dont want to suggest any particular view since I know that this is a heavily debated subject.

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap




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Shashi Joshi

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Nov 3, 2019, 11:14:22 PM11/3/19
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Should it not be वरणीयम् instead of वरेणीयम् if at all?


Thanks,
~ Shashi


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Hnbhat B.R.

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Nov 4, 2019, 12:54:06 AM11/4/19
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Actually it is वरेण्यं and for metrical purpose it is pronounced वरेणियं and not वरणीयम् or वरेणीयम्।

वरेण्य
mfn. (-ण्यः-ण्या-ण्यं)
१. Chief, principal, pre-eminent.
२. Desirable, eligible.
synonym to श्रेष्ठ in Amarakosha
मुख्यवर्यवरेण्याश् च प्रवर्होऽनवरार्ध्यवत् ।।३-१-५७।।
 परार्ध्याऽग्रप्राग्रहरप्राग्रयाऽग्रयाऽग्रीयमग्रियम्
 श्रेयान् श्रेष्ठः पुष्कलः स्यात् सत्तमश् चाऽतिशोभने ।।३-१-५८
derived from वृञ् वृञ एण्यः (उणादि 3.98).

venkat veeraraghavan

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Nov 4, 2019, 3:52:50 AM11/4/19
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Yes indeed.

I am hoping that both camps put forward their primary references with context so that we can gain some long required perspective on what to follow.


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venkat veeraraghavan

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Nov 4, 2019, 7:48:24 AM11/4/19
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I am adding below Shri Venkata Sriram's answer to a question on varENiyam vs varENyam on an unrelated thread at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bvparishat/P27I1KHU2Z0



Dear Venkat,

Vidyatirtha Foundation, Sringeri has published a book on sandhyavandanam with tamil commentary.  This was approved by Shri.Abhinava Tirtha Mahaswamigal.  

.................


It is explained where वरेणियम् is chanted.  It says "पाठकाले वरेण्यं स्यात् जपकाले वरेणियम्".  

So, during vedic chanting, parayana and arghya, वरेण्यं is used but during japa & homa वरेणियम् is used.  

I specifically asked Shri.Bharati Tirtha swamigal as what should be chanted during Japam.  His Holiness clarified stating वरेणियम् should be 
used during japa, and वरेण्यं should be used during arghyaM.

rgs,
sriram


On Monday, March 5, 2018 at 1:39:21 PM UTC+5:30, venkat veeraraghavan wrote:
वरॆणियं  I have heard is a change incorporated only at the time of homa since the offering to fire has to be in gayatri chandas. For the purpose of japa the mantra is in the usual nichrt Gayatri form of 7-8-8

On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 2:22:50 PM UTC+5:30, venkat veeraraghavan wrote:
Yes indeed.

I am hoping that both camps put forward their primary references with context so that we can gain some long required perspective on what to follow.


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 1:18 AM Krishna Kashyap <kkashy...@gmail.com> wrote:
Namaskaram Sri Venkat,

This controversy has divided many people into different groups. It is interesting that such a fundamental gayathri mantra should be the place for such a controversy which has involved great scholars and still people remain divided so vehemently for such a long time!!

Thanks for bringing this up. However, I dont want to suggest any particular view since I know that this is a heavily debated subject.

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap




On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 11:23 AM venkat veeraraghavan <vvenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Vidvans,

This thread is about the simmering controversy on varENyam vs varENiyam at the time of Japa and which for m is used for arghya.

Now I remember that Shri Venkata Sriram ji and others gave me references for varENiyam (japa kale) and varENyam for arghya and during adhyayana.

The following video at 1 hour and 24 seconds says the exact opposite!


Kindly comment,

I apologise for not posting this on the original thread since I have been unable to find it.

Regards,

Venkat

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Subrahmanyam Korada

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Nov 6, 2019, 5:44:39 AM11/6/19
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नमो विद्वद्भ्यः

Is there any प्रमाणम् ?  What is the विनिगमकम् (एकपक्षसाधकयुक्तिः ) in dichotomy of गायत्री  with regard to होम and जप ?

Such things can be accepted if there is some प्रमाणम् ।

Hari says all are the same (वाक्यपदीयम् , वाक्यकाण्डः , श्लो 261) --

अन्या संस्कारसावित्री कर्मण्यन्या प्रयुज्यते ।
अन्या जपप्रबन्धेषु  सा त्वेकैव प्रतीयते ॥

संस्कारसवित्री = the गायत्री at the time of उपनयनसंस्कार । कर्मणि = यागकर्मणि ; जपप्रबन्धेषु = चतुर्विंशतिलक्षजपादिषु ।

सारूप्यात् त्वेकत्वव्यवहारः तत्र बोद्धव्यः -- पुण्यराजः ।

सा आनुपूर्वीसाम्यात् एकैव प्रतीयते व्यवह्रियते --  रघुनाथशर्मा ।

So in all cases गायत्री has got the same वर्णानुपूर्वी -- sequence of letters . 

धन्यो’स्मि


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venkat veeraraghavan

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Nov 6, 2019, 6:29:11 AM11/6/19
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Dear Shri Korada Garu,

Thank you for your clarification!

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