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Shrikant Jamadagni

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Dear scholars,

It is said that the seers of several suuktas from the samhitas were female rishis. Is this true? If so, what are those suktas and the names of those ladies? What is the feminine form of 'Rishi'?  Thanks in advance for your response.

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Shrikant Jamadagni
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Female  form of Rishi is Rishika ऋषिका-  some names of Rigved Rishikas are as follows; लोपामुद्रा,रोमशा,यमी,श्रद्धा कामायनी, जुहू:ब्रह्मजाया,आंगिरसी शश्वती, सूर्या सावित्री.
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Any reference as these as the ऋषिका-s in the relevant मन्त्र-s are quoted as such is solicited.

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Thanks for your reply. Can you give the relevant usages in the अनुक्रमणिका-s where the मन्त्र-द्रष्टा or मन्त्रद्रष्ट्री-s in the सर्वानुक्रमणी-s of शौनक, कात्यायन in respect of the ऋषिका, छन्दः अनुक्रमणिका mentioning these as मन्त्रद्रष्टी-s or ऋषिका-s?


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As far as my memory is right, the Satvalekar edition from Pune of the Rgveda has listed in the appendix of the single volume, round about 60 names or more of the Rshikas to whom the Rgvedic Suktas are revealed. The reference the particular Suktas are also indicated.
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Aaryaah, pranamami,
i have little information regarding rishikas which will be furnished here:
(1.) Lopamudra - 1.179.1-2 (2). Romasa - 1.126.7 (3) Viswavara - V.28 (4) Aangirasi Shaswati VII .1.34 (5) Apala VIII.19 (6) Yami X.10 & X.154 (7) Shraddha X.151 (8) Vasukrapatni X.28.1 (9) Ghosha X.39,40 (10) Surya X.85 (11) Indrani X86 (12) Urvasi X.95 (13) Sarama X.108 (14) Juhu X.108 (15) Vagambruni X.125 (16) Paulomi sachi X.159
these are found in the Book X of Rigveda according to Rigveda Samhita, Vedapratishtan, Newdelhi.
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R. Narayana iyengar

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नमस्ते!
RV suktas are titled with Rishi, Devata and Chhandas (R,D,C) as is wellknown. Not all the publications of RV give the fourth caption: 'viniyoga'. The RDC system is attributed to Kaatyaayana's SarvaanukramaNi. The viniyoga perhaps comes from another source. But KS contains more than R,D,C. The text is too crisp and formulaic. For example:
यस्य वाक्यं सऋषिः। या तेनोच्यते सा देवता। (२।४-५)  hence Lopaamudraa becomes the seer for the 1.179.1-2, as it is said  पूर्वीः षड् जायापत्योः लोपामुद्राया अगस्त्यस्य च .... The hymn 179 starts with  पूर्वीः. It has six verses. The seer for the first two is Lopaamudaraa and next two are by Agastya. The  ऋषिः for the remaining four is अगस्त्यशिष्यो ब्रह्मचारी॥ 
 In some cases the identification is straightforward. For RV 10.159. the text says
उदसौ षट् पौलोमी शच्यात्मानं तुष्टावानुष्टुभं॥  Here the R, D, C is very clear. 
The usage  ऋषिका  is perhaps traditional outside the texts. In Shaunaka's anuvaaka-anukramaNi, in the 12th part the list of female seers is given and are specifically called
ब्रह्मवादिन्यः  (see attachment)
Errors of omission & commission in my post may please be pointed out by scholars.
इति  
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Thanks for your reply. Can you give the relevant usages in the
अनुक्रमणिका-s where the मन्त्र-द्रष्टा or मन्त्रद्रष्ट्री-s in the
सर्वानुक्रमणी-s of शौनक, कात्यायन in respect of the ऋषिका, छन्दः
अनुक्रमणिका mentioning these as मन्त्रद्रष्टी-s or ऋषिका-s?

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Namaste.

Though not in the context of RiShikA, the following may be of interest:

In the Brahmasutra Bhashya Shankara cites an instance of a certain aparokSha jnAnI named 'sulabhA', a woman, who had a spiritual discourse with a King named Janaka:

यावदधिकारं अवस्थितिराधिकारिकाणाम्  । ब्रह्मसूत्र ३,३.३२ 


//यथाहि सुलभा नाम ब्रह्मवादिनी जनकेन विवदितुकामा अव्युदस्य स्वं देहं जानकं देहमाविश्य व्युद्य तेन पश्चात्स्वमेव देहमाविवेशेति स्मर्यते  । //


That Shankara is quoting from the Mahabharatha, a smRti,  is evident from this episode found in the shAntiparvan (MokShadharma) therein:


अथ धर्मयुगे तस्मिन्योगधर्ममनुष्ठिता।

महीमनुचचारैका सुलभा नाम भिक्षुकी॥ 12-320-7
तया जगदिदं कृत्स्नमटन्त्या मिथिलेश्वरः।
तत्र तत्र श्रुतो मोक्षे कथ्यमानस्त्रिदण्डिभिः॥ 12-320-8


SulabhA has heard about Janaka's mokSha being spoken of by TridaNDi sannyAsins. 


सातिसूक्ष्मां कथां श्रुत्वा तथ्यं नेति ससंशया।
दर्शने जातसङ्कल्पा जनकस्य बभूव ह॥ 12-320-9
तत्र सा विप्रहायाथ पूर्वरूपं हि योगतः।

अबिभ्रदनवद्याङ्गी रूपमन्यदनुत्तमम्॥ 12-320-10

चक्षुर्निमेषमात्रेण लघ्वस्त्रगतिगामिनी।
विदेहानां पुरीं सुभ्रूर्जगाम कमलेक्षणा॥ 12-320-11
सा प्राप्य मिथिलां रम्यां प्रभूतजनसङ्कुलाम्।

भैक्ष्यचर्यापदेशेन ददर्श मिथिलेश्वरम्॥ 12-320-12
राजा तस्याः परं दृष्ट्वा सौकुमार्यं वपुस्तदा।
केयं कस्य कुतो वेति बभूवागतविस्मयः॥ 12-320-13
ततोऽस्याः स्वागतं कृत्वा व्यादिश्च च वरासनम्।

पूजितां पादशौचेन वरान्नेनाप्यतर्पयत्॥ 12-320-14 
अथ भुक्तवती प्रीत्या[प्रीता] राजानं मन्त्रिभिर्वृतम्।

सर्वभाष्यविदां मध्ये चोदयामास भिक्षुकी॥12-320-15
सुलभा त्वस्य धर्मेषु मुक्तो नेति ससंशया।
सत्त्वं सत्त्वेन योगज्ञा प्रविवेश महीपतेः॥ 12-320-16
नेत्राभ्यां नेत्रयोरस्य रश्मीन्संयम्य रश्मिभिः।
सा स्म तं चोदयिष्यन्ती योगबन्धैर्बबन्ध ह॥12-320-17
जनकोऽप्युत्स्मयन्राजा भावमस्या विशेषयन्।

प्रतिजग्राह भावेन भावमस्या नृपोत्तम॥ 12-320-18
तदेकस्मिन्नधिष्ठाने संवादः श्रूयतामयम्।
छत्रादिषु विमुक्तस्य मुक्तायाश्च त्रिदण्डके॥ 12-320-19
Here Sulabhaa is said to be bereft of the trdaNDa while she is in the guise of a beautiful woman. 
भगवत्याः क्व चर्येयं कृता क्व च गमिष्यसि।
कस्य च त्वं कुतो वेति पप्रच्छैनां महीपतिः॥ 12-320-20

श्रुते वयसि जातौ च सद्भावो नाधिगम्यते।
एष्वर्थेषूत्तरं तस्मात्प्रवेद्यं मत्समागमे॥ 12-320-21
छत्रादिषु विशेषेषु मुक्तं मां विद्धि तत्त्वतः।
स त्वां सम्मन्तुमिच्छामि मानार्हा हि मतासि मे॥ 12-320-22
सोऽहमेवङ्गतो मुक्तो जातास्थस्त्वयि भिक्षुकि

अयथार्थं हि ते वर्णं वक्ष्यामि शृणु तन्मम॥ 12-320-53
वर्णप्रवरमुख्यासि ब्राह्मणी क्षत्रियस्त्वहम्।

नावयोरेकयोगोऽस्ति मा कृथा वर्णसङ्करम्॥ 12-320-59

Shrikant Jamadagni

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Dear Sir,

Thanks very much for the information.

dhanya: asmi

Shrikant Jamadagni
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Shashi Tiwari

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Namaste . Some matter from my book on the topic under discussion-

 

The number of female seers or the speakers of the Vedic mantras comes to about thirty. This number includes the five lady seers of Khila-Sūkta too. The distinctive specialty about these female seers is their appearance either in the first manḍala or the tenth. Mantras composed or visualized by them appear only in these two manḍalas.  Based on their forms and traits these Ṛṣikᾱs can be categorized in two ways:

          In the Ārṣānukramaṇῑ and Bṛhaddevatā we find the names of twenty-seven Ṛṣikās of the Ṛgveda enumerated and they are referred to as Brahmavādinī. Brahmavādinī were those ladies who never married and lived an ascetic life throughout. Śaunaka has classified them in three divisions in the Bṛhaddevatā :

(A)   Those who offered prayers to the different deities. They are Ghoṣā, Godhā, Viśvavārā, Apālā, Upaniṣad, Niṣad, Juhū Brahmajāyā, Agastyasvasā and Aditi.

(B)   Under this category  come those who have either talked to the deities or had discussions with seers and they are Indrāṇῑ, Indramātā, Saramā,  Romaśā, Urvaśī, Lopāmudrā, Nadyaḥ, Yamī, and Śaśvatī Narī.

(C)   Under this group come those seers whose prayers are centered on self. In other words they themselves are the Ṛṣis as well as Devatās. They are Śrī, Lākṣā, Sārparājn͂ī, Vāk, Śraddhā, Medhā, Dakṣiṇā, Rātrī, and Sūryā Sāvitrī.

               In this category every group contains nine names.

 Again, in the second category, all the thirty female seers can be divided in seven groups:

(A)   Related to the gods and gods themselves- Indramātaraḥ, Indrasnuṣā, Indrāṇī, Aditi, Sūryā          Savitrī, Yamī Vaivasvatī, Śacī Paulomī

(B)    Related to Ṛṣis and the kings- Agastyasvasā, Apālā Ātreyī, Śaśvatī Āṅgirasī, Ghoṣā Kākṣīvatī, Juhū Brahmajāyā, Romaśā, Lopāmudrā, Viśvavārā Ātreyī

(C)   Apsaras- Urvaśī, Śikhaṇḍinyau Kāśyapī

(D)   Creatures other than human beings- Devaśunī Saramā, Godhā, Śārparājn͂ī

(E)   Inanimate objects- Nadyaḥ, Rātrī, Dakṣiṇā

(F)   Abstract things- Vāk,Śraddhā

(G)  Ṛṣikās of Khila Sūkta – S΄rī, Lākṣā, Medhā, Upaniṣad, Niṣad


Regards,

Prof Shashi Tiwari
 New Delhi

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Prof. Shash ji is congratulated for the scholarly answer to this query about female seers in Vedas.
Thank you very much Shashi ji once again.
Subodh Kumar

Hnbhat B.R.

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Thanks for the learned reply to the question.
 

          In the Ārṣānukramaṇῑ and Bṛhaddevatā we find the names of twenty-seven Ṛṣikās of the Ṛgveda enumerated and they are referred to as Brahmavādinī. Brahmavādinī were those ladies who never married and lived an ascetic life throughout.



I don't think the above statement is correct as the same शौनक in his बृहद्देवता attests in the case of लोपामुद्रा and अगस्त्य -

ऋतौ स्नातामृषिर्भार्यां लोपामुद्रां यशस्विनीम्।
उपजल्पितुमारेभे रहःसंयोगकाम्यया॥५७॥
द्वाभ्यां सा त्वब्रवीद् ऋग्भ्यां पूर्वीरिति चिकीर्षितम्।
रिरंसुस्तामथागस्त्य उत्तराभ्यामतोषयत्॥५८॥
विदित्वा तपसा सर्वं तयोर्भावं रिरंसतोः।
श्रुत्वैनः कृतवानस्मि ब्रह्मचार्युत्तमे जगौ॥५९॥

I have not translated literally the above, but it is clear from the above that they lived as husband and wife (भार्या) and the celibate disciple ब्रह्मचारी overheard their conversation and feels offended on overhearing it. I don't know the end result as we have only the conversation part and the Sukta being devoted to अश्विनी-s in the next part  युवो रजांसि. This is the context of the I.179.  

The No.4 Rik ends up the conversation with the words of अगस्त्य -

लोपामुद्रा वृषणं नी रिणाति धीरमधीरा धयति श्वसन्तम्।

which indicates that Agastya allowed the prayer of लोपामुद्रा which shows they lived a normal life as husband and wife as बृहद्देवता attests.

The same is about मैत्रेयी and कात्यायनी the wives of याज्ञवल्क्य. Only मैत्रेयी was a ब्रह्मवादिनी, who participated in the discussions about ब्रह्म with her husband while कात्यायनी was content with house hold life. This is the content of शतपथब्राह्मण. We here one गार्गी also who engaged in debate with the great याज्ञवल्क्य the end result being she was given salvation from this life without any answer having realized the Self. These could really be called ब्रह्मवादिनी-s who debate and share the ideology of Self आत्मन् with their husbands.

I just wanted to know the usage of the word ऋषिका in the Vedic Literature.

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