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Mangal Dev Tripathi

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Apr 25, 2024, 10:39:10 AM4/25/24
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नमो विद्वद्भ्यः!
शास्त्रसम्मते इ इ उ ऊ इति संवृत अथवा विवृतः। यद्यपि भाषाशास्त्रिणा कपिलदेवद्विवेदिना इ ई उ ऊ इति संवृत इति कथितः भाषाविज्ञाननामके स्वकीये पुस्तके अतः सत्यं किं इति अपेक्षते।

प्रणामाः,
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Mangal Dev Tripathi
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Mahamaho. Subrahmanyam Korada

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नमो विद्वद्भ्यः

आपिशलिशिक्षा (3-7) --

.. विवृतकरणाः स्वराः , तेभ्यः ए ओ  विवृततरौ , ताभ्याम् ऐ औ , ताभ्यामप्याकारः , संवृतो’कारः ।

संज्ञाप्रकरणम् , सिद्धान्तकौमुदी --

विवृतमूष्मणां स्वराणां च । ह्रस्वस्यावर्णस्य प्रयोगे संंवृतम् । प्रक्रियादशायां तु विवृतम् ।

स्वय़ं राजन्ते इति स्वराः -- महाभाष्यम् । 

स्वराः अचः इति अनर्थान्तरम् । ह्रस्वम् अकारं परित्यज्य  सर्वे अचः  विवृता एव ।

Do not  depend too much on  books of Modern Linguistics .

धन्यो’स्मि




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इ ई उ ऊ इत्यादयः संवृतो वा विवृतो वा इति निर्णयाय ज्ञातव्यं यत् कण्ठः कियत् उद्घाटितः वर्तते । अकारस्य उच्चारणे यावत् कण्ठ उद्घाटितः तावदेव इकारादीनाम् उच्चारणे । अतः ते सांवृताः । विवृता अभविष्यन् चेत् आकारस्य इव कण्ठस्य उद्घाघनं भवेत् । तथा च नास्ति ।

sivakumari katuri

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नमस्सर्वेभ्यः,
अइउण् सूत्रभाष्ये नागेशः कैय्यटश्च ईकार-ऊकारयोः संवृतत्वं व्याख्यान्ति। तत्र क्रमेण भाष्यम्, प्रदीपव्याख्यानम्, उद्योतव्याख्यानञ्च क्रमेण प्रदर्श्यते प्रमाणाय - 
भाष्यम् - एवमपि कुत एतत्- तुल्यस्थानौ प्रयत्नभिन्नौ भविष्यतः
, न पुनस्तुल्यप्रत्यत्नौ स्थानभिन्नौ स्याताम्, ईकार ऊकारो वेति
प्रदीपः - असति विवृतत्वप्रतिज्ञाने संवृतस्याकारस्य संवृतावेवेकारोकारौ प्राप्नुतः, य्वृतः संवृता अन्यत्रार्भवसाम्नः इति कैश्चिदीकारोकारयोः संवृतत्वस्याभ्युपगमात्।
उद्योतः - नन्वीकारोकारयोः कथं संवृतत्वमत आह - य्वृतः संवृता इति। ई ऊ ऋतः इत्यर्थः। क्वचित्तु य्वतः इति पाठः। ईकार-ऊकार-अकाराः इत्यर्थः।
एवञ्च आभ्यां व्याख्याभ्यां ज्ञायते कैश्चित् ईकार-ऊकारयोः संवृतत्वमङ्गीक्रियते इति।
अत्र कश्चन दोषश्चेदवगमने परिष्कर्तुं प्रार्थये।
धन्यवादाः।

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 8:09 PM Mangal Dev Tripathi <mangalde...@gmail.com> wrote:
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BVK Sastry (G-S-Pop)

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Jun 13, 2024, 1:19:08 PM6/13/24
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Namaste

 

1.  I am sharing in English, the technicality marked ‘ Samvrutha- Vivrutha’ for the ‘Samskruth Varna- Svara – Akshara – Pronunciation’.

 

      The technicality points to a range of ‘Samskruth Analytics’ beyond ‘Social Frame work of conversational Sanskrit’ and ‘ Science frame of 

       Physiology of Sounds/Voice  production’ and Cymatics.   

 

       [Cymatics is the study of visible sound and vibration, a subset of modal phenomena . It involves vibrating a surface, such as a

      plate or a membrane, and observing the patterns that appear in a thin layer of particles, paste, or liquid on the surface. The term was   

      coined by Hans Jenny, a Swiss physician and natural scientist, who was influenced by the philosophical school of anthroposophy

      Cymatics reveals the dynamic and ordered patterns of sound waves. ]

 

       I don’t stake any claim to full knowledge of the deeper yoga –vijanana of VARNA- AKSHARA – YOGA-SAMSKRUTHAM;

       And this analysis is framed inside the ‘Vaikhari’ phase of audible speech. The ‘Samvrutha- Vivrutha’ continues even in ‘Madhyamaa’.

 

       I stand open for correction from learned scholars and practitioners. My purpose of this post is only to draw attention to a less known

       tradition of SAMSKRUTHA – VARNA- AKSHARA –VIJNANA behind the ‘ Samvrutha- Vivrutha’ regulations in Sutras.

 

      The technical classification seems to be provided  for benefit of ‘SAMSKRUTHA- VEDA - MANTRA- PRACTITIONERS’- the YAJNIKAS , as a part of

      ‘MANTRA- VARNA’ technicality, to experience  ‘PRANA- FLOW in MANTRA-VARNAS’ in YAJNA- DEVA POOJA …neding ‘ PRANA- PRATISHTAA’ .

 

2.  The option to respond in English is for ease of current response communication,  to a researching  audience

 

                (i) who seem to have lost connection with the ‘Internal Subjective Experience and Vision of ‘ VARNA- UTPATTI’ according to Panini

                      Shikshaa .

 

                     [ Note:  The Panini Shikshaa porrvaka Samskrutha Vyakarana Adhyayana- Adhyaapana- Abhyasa – Saadhanaa is a deep technicality

                                    of ‘Mantra- Shaastra- Samskrutham’. The overarching discipline name for this is ‘VAK-YOGA’ – VAKO- VAKYAM.

 

                                    This is  a secret south Indian yoga –science of language [ Beeja- akshara -  Mantra- Bhashaa- Saadhanaa].

 

                                    Those having access to Sri Bhaskara Raya Makhin’s ‘Varivasyaa- Rahasya’ can get some idea on this perspective.    

 

               (ii)  who seem to have substituted Vedic-Tradition model of  ‘HUMAN LANGUAGE SOUNDS ARTICULATION PROCESS – RECOGNITION BY 

                      INTERNALIZED EXPERIENCE’  (VARNA- AKSHARA -UTPATTI ) by inputs  from  ‘Measure- Models  using EEG, Sonographs,  and the

                       like   adapted in Neuroscience,  Brain Science and  Physical Sciences of Matter- Frequency vibrational model of SOUNDS ( DRAVYA-

                      PADARHTA JANITHA - SHABDAM, DHVANIH) Models  to explore  ‘Samskrutha Vyakaranam: Sthana- Prayatna Viveka – Vibhaga’.

 

  [ Reference:   https://voicefoundation.org/health-science/voice-disorders/anatomy-physiology-of-voice-production/the-voice-mechanism ]

 

3. In my limited understanding, the ‘SAMVRUTHA- VIVRUTHA’ Categorization relates to the FLOW-PROCESS AND INTERNAL RESONANCE SUBJECTIVE - EXPERIENCES ::  More technically understandable by the TERMS : ANU-SVAARA (= INTERNAL RESONANCE – Antah spanda – The complete process rolls inside the space before lips ) – VI-SARGA (FLOWS OUT OF LIPS as Ut-Chaarana: Spandah- Bahih- Pravahati  Out bound flow).

 

If we recognize that apart from STHANA-PRAYATNA VIVEKA, there is a basic characteristic for all ‘VARNA- AKSHARAS’, THE FOCUS ON SPEAKERS INTENTIONAL SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE -  which  the commentary makes  clear.

 

<   अइउण् सूत्रभाष्ये नागेशः कैय्यटश्च ईकार-ऊकारयोः संवृतत्वं व्याख्यान्ति। तत्र क्रमेण भाष्यम्, प्रदीपव्याख्यानम्, उद्योतव्याख्यानञ्च क्रमेण प्रदर्श्यते प्रमाणाय - :::::      प्रदीपः - असति विवृतत्व-प्रति-ज्ञाने संवृतस्याकारस्य संवृतावेवेकारोकारौ प्राप्नुतः, य्वृतः संवृता अन्यत्रार्भवसाम्नः इति कैश्चिदीकारोकारयोः संवृतत्वस्याभ्युपगमात्। >

 

The term < प्रति-ज्ञाने >  means ‘ Clarity in Understanding. It is not limited to axiomatic statement as ‘ continuity of an age old narrative giving respect to the earlier writers!

 

The ‘Varna-Vyakti’  in ‘SAMVRUTHA CASES- is FORMED COMPLETELY IN A PHYSICAL ZONE : ABOVE  THROAT- BEFORE LIPS. Then the unit is out. 

The ‘Varna-Vyakti’  in ‘VI-VRUTHA CASES -   is FORMED COMPLETELY IN A PHYSICAL ZONE : ABOVE  THROAT- FLOWS OUT OF  LIPS . Then the unit is out.

 

Irrespective of SAMVRUTHA – VIVRUTHA classification based on ‘SUBJECT SPEAKERS VAK-INDIRYA FUNCTIONALITY, THE ‘FORMED VARNA’,  needs to be rolled out of LIPS as  ‘UCCHAARITA VARNA’ = Moved out and Articulated,  Separated from the Speaker.

Then only  ‘UTTERED SOUND’   becomes  Audible to the Listener ( SHROTUH – SHRAVANA – GOCHARATAA).

Yena- uccharitena …….sampratyayo bhavati

 

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

Bijoy Misra

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In our neurology model, we are treating the vowel sound to connote context.
The signal (speech) has content and context.  Context is space and time.
Content is inert (same all the time), the context changes (voice, pitch, tone and articulation). 
Presently I can only say that both संवृत are विवृत are neurologically generated and have context notations.
Bijoy Misra

BVK Sastry (G-S-Pop)

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Jun 13, 2024, 11:38:43 PM6/13/24
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Namaste Misra ji

 

1. Thanks for explaining the boundary and bounding of  < neurology model > in analysing the ‘Voice- Production and Articulation Science’.

 

2. Traditional Samskruth Shaastra-kaara provides two  ‘Analytics:

 

   2.1:  VARNA- UTPATTI : Thought Phase ending in   Finalizing the Word as a ‘nested structure of VARNAS : ( Padam Varna- Akshara – gaNah). 

 

              This phase covers all pre-word/ sentence communication processes, like Selection, Generation, Creation, filtering of what sounds to use

               and what not to use, how to use, ….:   A Pre-articulation program  process:: VIVAKSHAA ) .

               This is SPEAKERS INTERNAL CONSCIOUS PROCESS: VAKTRU –KARMA

               This leads to  analytics of - What do I want to say, How do I want to say… the subjective frame of ‘My WORD UTTERANCE’ FOR

               COMMUNICATION IN A  CONTENT – CONTEXT- SELECTION.

 

    2.2: VARNA- AKSHARA UCCHARANA : The actual Physiological, neural ‘Brain-Body – Process’ with track able neuronal footprints. This is

            SPEAKER MODE OF ARTICULATION : Do I sing Ramayana as a poem or song ? The ‘CHANDAS – The Flow modelling of Characters.

             The Mellifluous flow which makes speech to become music, simple utterances ( or silence/ non utterance, the spacing between

             articulation) to become ‘emotional communication of impact’.  

 

             The SAMVRUTHA- VIVRUTHA modalities (like the Udaataa- anudaata- svarita, Saama gaana…of articulation – modulation of voicing) are

              experienced by SPEAKER  and Also received for IMPACT by Listener. At this point, the ‘ VAK – VAKYA – VARNA’ has become a ‘SIGNAL’.

 

3.   Traditional Schools following ‘ Role and Involvement of  Consciousness  ( Chitta – Vrutti – Smruti:  in Yoga terminology ;  Chit- Prajnaa in

      Shaastra   Terminology)  provide analytics of VARNA – AKSHARA – PRAYOGA  as ‘ MIND- BODY – MANTRA’ utility guidance.

 

      Modern Schools following ‘ Role and Involvement of  Physiological Bio- Matter and Processes on which imprint of subject consciousness runs  

      ( INDRIYA –DEHA KARMA)  seek analytics of VARNA – AKSHARA – IMPACT and IMPRINT  OF PRAYOGA  in  ‘MIND- BODY – MATTER’  frame.

 

     This Point of View in analytics needs to be bridged by  a ‘TEAM DIALOGUE’ resolving Yoga-Science and Modern Science models of ‘ VOICE

     PRODUCTION AND MEASURE OF IMPACT: the Creation  and UTILITY APPLICATIONS.

 

     In popular expression, this has become ‘ Mantra – Meditation- Modern Science Research’ under Science of Consciousness.

Bijoy Misra

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Dear Dr Shastry,
Our effort so far has been to capture the vastu in the brain.  The sun in the sky is a vastu and is a stimulus.
It evokes neurological maps.  We think these neurological maps get configured into acoustics for expression.  
Acoustic expression is structured and limited, it operates through the muscles and airflow..
The sun at noon time is the same object with a different context, this context is captured by the vowel envelope.
Prosody develops through our zeal to communicate, but we do not know how the mterics arise.
We may say more on prosody in a year.
Best regards,
Bijoy Misra  

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