Sanskrit terms for toys and games
Sunil Nakum
Respected Scholars,
Any better options, may be indirectly relevant to games/toys from Shastras!
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On Aug 29, 2016 4:30 PM, "Ramaratnam S." <drsram...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Sir,
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> I have seen the word क्रीडनक somewhere though I am not able to say where exactly it is. Possibility - Mrcchakatika. Please try.
Pl.look into Srimadbhagavatam in Prahlada charitam. The child was not interested in the kridanakas given to it as it was overcome by Krishnagraha.
Subrahmanian. V
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> with regards,
> ramaratnam
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> On 29 August 2016 at 15:14, Sunil Nakum <sunil...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Namaste,
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>> Respected Scholars,
>>
>> I am in the process of making a small plaything for small kids designed based on scripture. Meanwhile I'm thinking of naming it (not only this particular piece but also applicable to other items, if in future there may be other similar stuffs) based on scriptures.
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>> I was thinking about suffixing a generic name with "krida" but not very sure about it's applicability and thus seeking your help.
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>> In layman context the term "Krida" resembles to "Sports" and may not fit to playthings/toys/games, but I'm liking this word as compared to the more suitable term "Kheli" (खेलि), "Kridana" (क्रीडन). So would it be appropriate to use Krida?
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>> Also I'm looking it for sort of a Blog/Website Name, so although more fitting following terms are not going well, क्रीडाद्रव्य, विक्रीड, क्रीडावस्तु, क्रीडापरिच्छद, क्रीडन.
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>> Krida looks short and bit well known among masses.
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>> Any better options, may be indirectly relevant to games/toys from Shastras!
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>> Thanks & Regards,
>> Sunil
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Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Sanskrit terms for toys and games
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On Wednesday, 31 August 2016 06:29:25 UTC+5:30, korada wrote:
नमो विद्वद्भ्यः
Ashok Aklujkar
> On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Shrinivasa Varakhedi <shri...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >Here in Natyashastra the word ‘krIDanIyakam’ must have been used in the sense of ‘play'. ... How about word ‘पुत्थलिका’ ?<
Dear Prof. Varakhedi,
I suppose you mean “play” in the sense of ‘drama, rūpaka (as in daśa rūpakas),’ not in the sense ’sport’. If so, the entire phrase krīḍanīyakam … dṛśyaṁ śravyaṁ ca’ in the Nāṭya-śāstra verse can express that sense/reference, not the word krīḍanīyakam by itself. Secondly, in the given context, the dṛśya śravya krīḍanīyaka that the nāṭya is, is something yet to be created.As such, it will not appear as a referent/reference.
पुत्तलिका (this is the word form I have come across; if you have come across पुत्थलिका, I would like to know where) meaning ‘doll’ can be a specific toy. I do not think it will stand for a toy or plaything in general.
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K S Kannan
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Sunil Nakum
Seems both the words Kridaniyaka/m and Kridanak/am can be used as for "plaything" per the responses pointing to different literature like Natyashastra and श्रीभार्गवराघवीयम्.
played - Kilidam/Kriditam
play - Kilasi/Kridsi
(pardon my sanskrit knowledge)
https://archive.org/download/MrcchakatikaofSudraka/OTIFF/00000460.tif
I guess पुत्थलिका is limited to Dolls or Puppets.
So finally, most vote goes to Krida***. I'll have to spare some time to play with different combinations with this term to come-up with some catchy name.
Sine it would (hopefully!) eventually go to the internet (for masses), the requirement will be to have a simpler, easy to remember and pronounce Name.
If anybody have any suggestion please guide.
On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 10:17:35 AM UTC+5:30, ks.kannan.2000 wrote:
I guess it is only a Kannada misrepresentation.Sanskrit la turns many times into ḷa in Kannada.eg. parimala (S) :parimaḷa (K)In addition, t of this word has been mispronounced/misspelt as th.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Ashok Aklujkar <ashok.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Shrinivasa Varakhedi <shri...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >Here in Natyashastra the word ‘krIDanIyakam’ must have been used in the sense of ‘play'. ... How about word ‘पुत्थलिका’ ?<
Dear Prof. Varakhedi,
I suppose you mean “play” in the sense of ‘drama, rūpaka (as in daśa rūpakas),’ not in the sense ’sport’. If so, the entire phrase krīḍanīyakam … dṛśyaṁ śravyaṁ ca’ in the Nāṭya-śāstra verse can express that sense/reference, not the word krīḍanīyakam by itself. Secondly, in the given context, the dṛśya śravya krīḍanīyaka that the nāṭya is, is something yet to be created.As such, it will not appear as a referent/reference.
पुत्तलिका (this is the word form I have come across; if you have come across पुत्थलिका, I would like to know where) meaning ‘doll’ can be a specific toy. I do not think it will stand for a toy or plaything in general.
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Ramaratnam S.
R. N. iyengar
parvatścinmahi vṛddho bibhāya divaścitsānu rejate svane vaḥ | yatkrīḷatha maruta ṛṣṭimanta āpa iva sadhryañco dhavadhve || (V.60.3)
Following SayaNa's commentary the meaning would be:
Hey maruts! When you start playing, even the ancient big mountain fears your sound. The lofty regions of the sky tremble. Carrying spears you rush together like a stream of water.
In the Prabhasa-ksetra-Maahaatmya (I part) of SP (Ch 34 v 80) the meandering River Sarasvati (before total drying up) is compared to a playful girl child = क्रीडनकी
K S Kannan
S R Ivaturi
We can use खेलनी also. A word like खेलकम् may be coined.
Dr. S R Ivaturi
Ashok Aklujkar
On Aug 30, 2016, at 11:02 PM, Sunil Nakum <sunil...@gmail.com> wrote:>Seems both the words Kridaniyaka/m and Kridanak/am can be used as for "plaything" per the responses pointing to different literature like Natyashastra and श्रीभार्गवराघवीयम्.<
> played - Kilidam/Kriditam
play - kīlasi/Kridsi<
>(pardon my sanskrit knowledge [knowledge of Sanskrit]) …<
>I could find a reference under 64 types of Arts as "balaka-kridanaka - art of using children’s toys” but from where it was taken is not clear.<
>Does केली only applies [—> apply] to Games or [is it] a broader term for playthings/toys?<
kelī, at least in the occurrences I know, is an action noun, meaning ‘act of sporting, enjoying.” To assign the concrete sense you are assigning to it, you will need to make an argument based on philology.
Sunil Nakum
You should have clarified this purpose (and the limitation of your knowledge of Sanskrit) from the beginning of your inquiry. Nothing wrong in having limitations. Everyone has them.
But, unless one spells out one’s limitation(s), one does not get the desired guidance at the right level. Several specialists then spend their valuable time for one’s little gain. You will probably agree that this is not fair to your helpers.
I had this tacit belief before getting your response that, usually my queries are not of scholarly standards so I did not need to mention about my limited knowledge of Sanskrit every time.
Especially if you are aiming at some commercial success (your use of “’catchy name” and “for masses” gives that impression), do something substantial for Sanskrit if you succeed. The hard-earned knowledge of Sanskritists counts for little in the contemporary world despite the preciousness of that knowledge.
I take it as your well wishes and blessings when you said "do something for Sanskrit if you succeed.", and this is my humble attempt to pass our great ancient heritage to the next generation, may be in the form of a very simple toy.
Here. kilasi/krīḍasi is a verb form. What you need is a noun derived from the same verbal root kil/krīḍ.
There are, I am sure, specific discussions of the list of 64 arts. It would be better to check the other renderings, if any, of the term bālaka-krīḍanaka. It is unlikely that using children’s toys would count for an art.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kal%C4%81
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_art
http://www.sanskritimagazine.com/india/64-kalas-arts-and-14-vidyas-techniques-of-ancient-india/
Ashok Aklujkar
I am happy to read your straightforward and candid response.
A daughter whose father designs a new toy for her is lucky. May she grow to be a creative and contributing member of society!
If you describe the toy you have designed and/or what it is supposed to do, the members of this multi-talented forum may be able to suggest an appropriate name for it.
śubham astu sarvathā.
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Nagaraj Paturi
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We can use the word Khelanii. Khelakam also serves the purpose.
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Namaste
1. This is Contemplating further on the Professor A.A’s pointer < Such short words can be coined for each toy depending on what the toy is, how it looks, what it does etc. But as a general word for all the toys, something like क्रीडनक should be OK. .. If you describe the toy you have designed and/or what it is supposed to do, the members of this multi-talented forum may be able to suggest an appropriate name for it. >
2. In my little understanding the core of the issue here is same as the deep philosophical issue , which may be articulated as ‘ How do I name an entity ( Naama - kim ? )’ ? The core issue of Samjnaa-karana for a given Vyakti –Padartha –Vastu- Kriyaa.
The suggestion by professor AA in asking the inputs of < description (= aakruti, guna ) , would cover the physical visual details like shape, color, size and what it is supposed to do ( =kriyaa). This surely would help in making further progress. And depending on what user wants to highlight, the Taddhita route or Krit- affixes route can be picked up. If it is a complex word, then samasa may be useful.
In the practical case, where the word is given by user ( = Lokatah - Samjnaa), then appropriate grammar process can be used to <Sanskritize the foreign word ! And one can be sure that these new words would be new add-ons to modern Sanskrit kozas and dictionaries ! and so may fall out of ‘ Traditional purity’ ! Monier Willimas koza -Dictionary has more than 40,000 words of ‘ M’ category which would come under this listing, waiting for Samskruth Scholars explanation for over 150 years now. >.
3. Let me try another approach with an example. How would a Samskruth scholar propose unique names for a given range of Barbie dolls ? OR Superman series toys ?
I started Googling the words ‘toys names and pictures Hindi’ to see how regional languages have addressed this issue. Out of many links, the interesting one was from http://www.amazon.in/MFM-Transport-Bilingual-Magnetic-Flashcards/dp/B00TO3802E where vehicle like toys came up. Curiosity led to another search on ‘ How would mothers look for a Sanskrit name for babies’ ? and the link for exploration came up : http://www.momjunction.com/articles/sanskrit-baby-names-for-your-little-girl_00327835/ . More interesting examples came up on picture-cards, flash cards and Toys marketing sites. All these resources were working on the same exercise : How to give a name to a ‘ new entity, a new product’, which is the success-key for an advertisement and product branding Creative exercise.
4. Coming to the specific, moving from philosophical challenges to practical communication and child-education issue, what would a Samskruth scholar recommend as a word for a range of ‘Barbie dolls’ which one can see in toys shops ? ( baalikaa- kreedanikaa ? ) – Each Barbie is unique yet have a generic genus of ‘doll ( = jaati of kreedanika) ’ and ‘ gender (= linga) ’ along with unique dress –hair style –eyes and the like ( = aakruti - vishesha). The child will easily distinguish each Barbie, without any confusion. For naming purpose, do we now suggest a long compound to be exact in the ‘ entity description with all the avachhedaka and avacchinnas’ ? OR simply give a name which child will associate with the entity ? What works for the Scholars and the advertisement team to be precise or practical ?
One may replace the above paragraph by reading ‘Krishna Doll’ in place of ‘Barbie’ to get a cultural sensitivity !
Look forward for further inputs and thoughts on making a ‘ Mortal Human practical solution (= maanushee) ’ for a philosophical problem using ‘ Language of Gods ( = Daivee) ’.
Regards
BVK Sastry
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Sent: Friday, 02 September, 2016 3:35 PM
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Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Sanskrit terms for toys and games
An observation:
Panini does have a sutra suggesting (इ)क suffix in the sense of expressing a diminutive.
Panini scholars may elucidate.
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:
शकटिक was the word used by Sudraka for toy- cart, while a real cart is called शकट . शकटिक literally means a small cart or a little cart.
क्रीडनकशकट would have been a bigger word. शकटिक is as short as required for such purpose as you are looking for.
Such short words can be coined for each toy depending on what the toy is, how it looks, what it does etc.
But as a general word for all the toys, something like क्रीडनक should be OK.
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 9:15 PM, Ashok Aklujkar <ashok.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
Sunil,
I am happy to read your straightforward and candid response.
A daughter whose father designs a new toy for her is lucky. May she grow to be a creative and contributing member of society!
If you describe the toy you have designed and/or what it is supposed to do, the members of this multi-talented forum may be able to suggest an appropriate name for it.
śubham astu sarvathā.
a.a.
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Sunil Nakum
I haven't invented any new thing, it's just a regular toy with the only twist that it has been given a touch of spirituality. The name of the particular toy I've made is a no-brainer, so we just call it Dashavatara puzzle. May be my initial post is not very clearly written, but I'm not looking for the name for this particular item, rather a generic term/name applicable for any type of toy(s) that might come-up in due course of time.
Please allow me some time and I shall revert with more details about this.
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