Vocative Case of Pronouns

[Mārcis Gasūns]

Namaste,

  Kale never shows a vocative case for a pronoun. Bucknell shows vocative case for the sarva paradigm, and mentions its applicability for several other pronouns.

Issue raised at https://github.com/sanskrit-lexicon/MWinflect/issues/40 - have you ever met such cases or know where they are described in grammar, maybe with examples?

Marcis

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Bhavat-s'abda is a case where it appears that there is a vocative of a second person pronoun.

The discussion in the following thread may be useful to you:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/bvparishat/bhavati$20third$20person%7Csort:date/bvparishat/ih6_T_qk3fo/IAOxz0MYAwAJ

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to bvpar...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--

Nagaraj Paturi

 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Director,  Inter-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. 

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

[Mārcis Gasūns]

On Tuesday, 1 January 2019 11:26:27 UTC+2, Nagaraj Paturi wrote:

Bhavat-s'abda is a case where it appears that there is a vocative of a second person pronoun.

The discussion in the following thread may be useful to you:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/bvparishat/bhavati$20third$20person%7Csort:date/bvparishat/ih6_T_qk3fo/IAOxz0MYAwAJ

Thanks, Nagaraj. Bhavat sabda is used in several places to address a person. 2 such instances are given below. It does not seem to be a modern usage.

भवान्भीष्मश्च कर्णश्च कृपश्च समितिञ्जयः Mahabharata

भवतो दर्शनं यत्स्यादपुनर्भवदर्शनम् Srimad Bhagavata 

Too bad that the rest of that interesting discussion was not even close about vocative case.

[Nagaraj Paturi]

The point that comes out through the thread is that bhavat -s'abda forms are in fact third person forms only that are used as though they are second person forms. 

---------------------------------

Though first person vocative forms are not found , there is a third person form to the first person pronoun aham. That is 'aatman'. Aatman can theoretically have vocative form. 

Sadasiva Bramhendra uses  " maanasa! " " rasane! " as self-referring vocative forms. 

Maanasa! sanchara re, BramhaNi. 

bruhi mukundeti rasane! 

--

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to bvpar...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[Mārcis Gasūns]

On Tuesday, 1 January 2019 21:46:53 UTC+3, Nagaraj Paturi wrote:

The point that comes out through the thread is that bhavat -s'abda forms are in fact third person forms only that are used as though they are second person forms. 

Right, that I understand.

 

Though first person vocative forms are not found , there is a third person form to the first person pronoun aham. That is 'aatman'. Aatman can theoretically have vocative form. 

Sadasiva Bramhendra uses  " maanasa! " " rasane! " as self-referring vocative forms. 

That is XVIII century, is there something older than that? 

 

[K S Kannan]

Addressing one's own limbs? References should be easily many:

jihve kIrtaya kes'avam;

also (in continuation):

cetah, pANi-dvandva,s'rotra-dvaya, locana-dvaya, an'ghri-yugma, ghrANa, mUrdhan

- all in the vocative

- all in the composition Mukunda-mAlA of Kulas'ekhara

--

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bvparishat+...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to bvpar...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

--

Dr. K.S.Kannan

Academic Director, Swadeshi Indology.

Nominated Member, IIAS, Shimla.

Member, Exec Committee, Indian Institute of World Culture, Bangalore.

Member, BoS, Chinmaya University.

Member, BoS, University of Hyderabad.

Former Professor, CAHC, Jain University, Bangalore.

Former Director, Karnataka Samskrit University, Bangalore.

Former Principal, Evening College, Samskrit University, Bangalore.

Former Head, Dept. of Sanskrit, The National Colleges, Bangalore.

[K S Kannan]

re hasta daks"iNa

- in Uttara-rAma-carita of BhavabhUti.

[K S Kannan]

correction:

uttara-rAma-carita

[K S Kannan]

bhava hRdaya sAbhilAs"am

- in s"Akuntalam of KAlidAsa

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Dr Marcis Ganus, 

Even if there is an older usage of that kind, that is only addressing one's own inner aspects. But not vocative of a first person pronoun.

What are you looking for?

--

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Sorry for spelling your name wrongly, Dr  Mārcis Gasūns . 

[Mārcis Gasūns]

On Thursday, 3 January 2019 04:55:06 UTC+3, Nagaraj Paturi wrote:

Even if there is an older usage of that kind, that is only addressing one's own inner aspects. But not vocative of a first person pronoun.

Yes, but it's all about one word, only one word, but there are more.

 

What are you looking for?

For others pronouns as well.