Demilitarizing the Rigveda: A Scrutiny of Vedic Horses, Chariots and Warfare- Article by Prof. Michel Dddanino

[Nagaraj Paturi]

I have written a paper entitled “Demilitarizing the Rigveda: A scrutiny of Vedic horses, chariots and warfare.” It challenges persisting colonial readings of the Rigveda as a “horse-centred” text of warfare and conquest; I drew inspiration from the work of a  scholars, but the paper is mostly based on my own study of the Rigveda, starting with the issue of the horse.

 

A preprint of the paper is available here. I hope you will find it interesting:

https://www.academia.edu/40104001/Demilitarizing_the_Rigveda_A_Scrutiny_of_Vedic_Horses_Chariots_and_Warfare

 

Best regards,

 

Michel

[ajit.gargeshwari]

We all Know Michel_Danino Who is Prof Michel Dddanino ?
Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

[Siddharth Wakankar]

That scholar is one and the sane person.He teaches at IITGandhinagar,Gujarat and other IITs etc.

Prof. Siddharth Y Wakankar.

Vadodara.9427339942.

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

I know him to be a professor at IIT Gandhinagar. 

When it comes to the spelling of the second part of his name, I would scold my hand for shaking and my eyes for not noticing. 

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Nagaraj Paturi

 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Director,  Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems. 

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Thank you my intention was to confirm if they both are the same . Now my doubt has been clarified. Never wanted to criticize a typo, error

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Ajit Gargeshwari
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[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

Thank you for this, Professor Paturi. 

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bvparishat/uyT2o_E3c_I/cR_9pru4BgAJ and https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bvparishat/Rq_68NKrk4w/4TxCiE8nBgAJ—recent posts in BVP with links to other uploads in Academia of Michel Danino*—might perhaps make for contextually complementary reading to the one that has just been posted. 

Very few contextually-relevant entries can, perhaps, be added to the impressive (and tending towards being comprehensive) bibliography found in the paper of Michel Danino that has just been posted. Of those few, one strain of other original thinking—vis-a-vis Aryans, Horse, ऋगवेद (and more)—that could certainly merit a place would be the chapter Horse and the Aryans (pp. 56-73) in Singh, Bhagwan. (1995). The Vedic Harappans. Also, while Bryant and Patton (2005) can perhaps be reasonably credited, as Danino has done, for having "tried to bring the two camps into a dialogue of sorts," that volume, it can be reasonably argued, loses its "neutral stance" not only in the ad-hominems found in Fosse's reductionist essay (see https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bvparishat/kKxASUdOir4/BxFd0dJWBAAJ, for instantiation) but also in Bryant's own tilt when it came to evidence value of conclusions from linguistics (see Sastry and Kalyanasundaram). Furthermore, positing a binary of sorts, that is, only two camps (either the so-called Invasion/migration into-India camp or the so-called 'Out of India' (OIT) camp) and dismissing or ignoring others—which is not uncommon but which Danino is careful not to do (as evident from his paper where he has referred to scholars such as Sethna and Dhavalikar having proposed "different counter-theories")—has been questioned, for instance, also in Marcantonio and Jha (2013) as also in Singh (1995) [these could be two of few more additions to the list featuring Sethna and Dhavalikar]. On the point about the binary (either AI/MT into-India camp or OIT camp), Kalyanaraman, in this review of Sastry and Kalyanasundaram notes the "dismissal" of such a binary and the implicit [and sometimes explicit {as found in Trauttmann (2007)}] transfer of the burden of proof (see relevant excerpt from review in the image immediately below) when such a binary—if one is questioning or critiquing AI/MT into-India, then one has to explain/defend PIE (which, until today, has no historical attestation) using OIT—is posited. 

To close this note, while there is certainly much more to learn and gain from, rather than to observe about (or add to) this paper of Michel Danino, its importance and timing cannot at all be lost on those who is familiar with Witzel (2019) [for the title of Witzel (2019) and a limited response to some of his arguments, see image below, from a recent (Aug 02) presentation Aryan problem from the perspective of Textual Evidence and Linguistics delivered at University of Delhi], who is still persisting with a horse argument.  

 

Best,

Megh

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*He had, in a personal exchange, insisted that he be referred to as just Michel Danino. 

On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 9:00 AM Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

Instead of responding to individual requests for a copy of Witzel (2019), alluded to in my note dated 2019 Aug 22 (in the trail below), I attach that paper with this note. 

[Witzel 2019:6] "Thus, there is a fairly narrow time span between roughly 1400 and 1000 BCE when to place the Rigveda. In the present instance, archaeology (Gandharva grave culture, Akra), linguistics (pre-Ṛgvedic), texts (Śambara’s fortresses in the mountains), and genetics (Swat aDNA) overlap perfectly, putting to lie the fantastic dating of the RV at 3000 BCE and its ‘complete identity’ with the Harappan (Indus-Saraswati) civilization." 

Best,

Megh