Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Prof. Madhav Deshpande has left bvparishat

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

I am not restless. I have always been patient since the inception of the list and will continue to be patient. I did not open the thread when members posted and I responded. I did not command you to the admin committee I only requested as you said unilateral decision cannot be taken by the lsi moderator. Thank you

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Ajit Gargeshwari

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न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 10:26 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

This thread was announced as closed. 

But members are continuing to post. Is that not violation ? 

You can not command me or anyone in the admin committee regarding what I / we need to do at what speed. 

Things do not happen in proportion to the degree of your restlessness. 

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 10:19 PM Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please refer the matter to the admin committee of the list and convey the decision on BVP list owners to group at earliest. That will put to rest repeated usage of offensive language by a Visvasji should be tolerated in spite of making repeated requests to him not to do so on several occasions. On other occasions it was a mild reminder. Now is the time for a response please.

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

Web site Visit https://archive.org/details/@sri_gargeshwari_digital_foundation

https://archive.org/details/karnatakasamskritauniversity

न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 10:13 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sri Ajit ,

If your reference is to Sri Vishvas Vasuki , he has been brought under moderation several times during my role as a moderator of this list. 

Any action more severe than this like banning from posting and banning from the list can not be taken just by a moderator instantly. 

It needs to be taken collectively by the admin committee in its meeting. 

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 9:59 PM Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Even after so many posting by several scholars and respectable member's of the list if no action to ban the individual from posting  immediately  by the moderator one has to assume there will be no action and the member will be allowed to post and use any language he please on members of this list or respected scholars from other lists who may or may not be members of this list

Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari

On Thursday, 26 August 2021 at 21:17:20 UTC+5:30 Nityanand Misra wrote:

On Thursday, 26 August, 2021 at 4:56:56 pm UTC+5:30 Nagaraj Paturi wrote:

I did not see any personal attack on Prof. Deshpande.  It was a thread  about a conference in which as per the thread initiator, those who indulge in representing Hinduism in bad light are involved. Pointing out that tendency in the academic writings or popular writings in academic topics of certain academicians is not a personal attack on them. One member added Prof. Deshpande to the list that was being pointed out in the thread. He saw a contradiction between what he wanted to show evidence for , misrepresenting Hinduism, by Prof. Deshpande and his writing of Krishna Bhakti verses. Both these are academic activities of the professor. There was no personal aspect being covered in the post. 

I said I will not respond to this thread, but I have to say L. Srinivas Ji is correct. There have been many personal and ad-hominem attacks on Prof. Deshpande on this list over the years. If my memory serves me right, he was called गुरुण्डोच्छिष्टभोजी on this very list by Vishal Agarwal once. The list owners did not censor the word. They did not intervene. This despite Prof. Deshpande being on the Advisory Board of BVP.  And this despite Prof. Deshpande always being civil and nice in his exchanges including his exchanges with Vishal Agarwal on this list.

Even as of now, this is what bvparishat description reads

Advisory Board

Prof. Ashok Aklujkar, Prof. Dipak Bhattacharya, Prof. Madhav Deshpande, Prof. Amba Kulkarni, Prof. K.S. Kannan and Prof. R.N. Iyengar

So it is nothing but ridiculous if BVP does not even have problems with Prof. Deshpande, a member (or a former member in case the description is outdated) of it advisory board being called names by people who are self-appointed guardians of dharma [as they understand it]. 

I am also glad to read messages from Prof. R. N. Iyengar and Sh. Ajit Gargeshwari. 

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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

Director, Indic Academy

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra

BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.

Member, Advisory Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthanam, Bengaluru

BoS Rashtram School of Public Leadership

Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Studies in Public Leadership

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education, 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

 

 

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[Nityanand Misra]

On Thursday, 26 August, 2021 at 10:32:40 pm UTC+5:30 ajit.gar...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 10:26 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

This thread was announced as closed. 

But members are continuing to post. Is that not violation ? 

Dear Prof. Paturi

It is strange. You declared, rather arbitrarily, at 4:56 pm: “Let us close the thread.” Some members, including me, continued to post. However, you yourself posted a response to Ajit Ji at 10:13 pm on the same thread that you had declared as closed in the afternoon. Then Ajit Ji responded. Then you complained at 10:32 pm that members are violating rules. My question is, was that post at 10:13 pm IST by you not a violation of your own announcement? You could have locked the thread at 10:13 pm rather than continue the discussion.

I have two questions. Please feel free not to answer.

1) I agree that posting on a thread you announced as closed is a violation, but is that a grave violation? Compared to throwing slang/offensive ethnic terms like northie/southie and making personal attacks, posting on a thread that has been announced as closed is hardly anything. 

2) Why was the thread closed [and why is it locked now]? Is it because everything that had to be said has been said? Is it because it was getting heated or offensive? Or was it because the questions being asked were too uncomfortable for the moderator and owners of the list? 

PS: If my posting this message is considered a violation, then I am guilty as charged. You may take any action that you like.    

[उज्ज्वल राजपूत]

On Thursday, 26 August, 2021 at 10:32:40 pm UTC+5:30 ajit.gar...@gmail.com wrote:

On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 10:26 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

This thread was announced as closed. 

But members are continuing to post. Is that not violation ? 

Dear Prof. Paturi

It is strange. You declared, rather arbitrarily, at 4:56 pm: “Let us close the thread.” Some members, including me, continued to post. However, you yourself posted a response to Ajit Ji at 10:13 pm on the same thread that you had declared as closed in the afternoon. Then Ajit Ji responded. Then you complained at 10:32 pm that members are violating rules. My question is, was that post at 10:13 pm IST by you not a violation of your own announcement?

अव॑सात॒म् इति॑ ख्या॒ते सूत्रे॒ भूयां॑सः प्र॒वर्त॑मानानां प्र॒श्नाना॑म् अनुपपन्न॒त्वस्य॑ प्रति॒पाद॑ने प्रया॒सो न खल्वयु॑क्तः।

Trying to show invalidity of questions still continuing on a thread announced "closed" should be okay.

 

You could have locked the thread at 10:13 pm rather than continue the discussion.

I have two questions. Please feel free not to answer.

1) I agree that posting on a thread you announced as closed is a violation, but is that a grave violation? Compared to throwing slang/offensive ethnic terms like northie/southie and making personal attacks, posting on a thread that has been announced as closed is hardly anything. 

2) Why was the thread closed [and why is it locked now]? Is it because everything that had to be said has been said?

अथ॒ किम्। ग॒तः स मा॑धवमहोद॒यः। पुन॑र् आ॒गम॑न॒म् अपि॑ प्र॒त्याख्या॑तं॒ तेन॑।

Of course. Prof. Deshpande has left and has decided not to come back (https://groups.google.com/g/bvparishat/c/m0WsHOqu39M/m/gT2sFJ5QAAAJ).

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