10 major upanishads and their swaras

[Krishna Kashyap]

namaste

do all the 10 major upanishads have svaras (for chanting)?

I saw some recordings of Isavasya and Brihadaranyaka

I am trying to find svaras for other upanishads.

I like to find books with svaras so that I can learn chanting them properly.

any help is deeply appreciated.

My teacher Sri KSV used to say that we should do parayana of Upanishads, just like how people do "Ramayana" parayana.

I am trying to learn these by heart with svaras (I am sure I need a teacher. I am also searching for one).

Thanks

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

[Krishna Kashyap]

Taittiriya has svaras. This is well known.

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

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[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

Only the tatittirIya, IshA and bRhadAraNyaka have svaras passed down by tradition among the major upaniShads. Some of the others have svara markings in the mantrapuShpam book by the RK Matham, but i think it’s some reconstructed version and not authentic.

The tatittirIya has kRShNa yajus svaras, the IshA has Shukla yajus svaras, and the bRhadAraNyaka has the bhAsika svara (only two tones).

I don’t want to sound rude or discouraging, but as as someone who has been teaching mainly older people who have very little exposure to Vedic chanting from their younger days, it’s almost impossible for older people to get the correct Vedic pronunciation even in one svara type after even 4-5 years, much less 3 different ones. It would be best to stick to svashAkhA upaniShads. There is also very little correlation with knowledge of Sanskrit if learning vedas at a later age. Some of the most egregious chanting I have heard is by people with very good knowledge of Sanskrit grammar and even good conversational Sanskrit. Hope you take this gratuitous advice in the right spirit. 

Ramakrishnan 

[Krishna Kashyap]

Thanks

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

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[Krishna Kashyap]

Thanks Ramakrishnan Ji,

I am not surprised. I heard that even the yajnopavita dharana mantra : "yajnopavitam paramam pavitram" does not have svaras. but these svaras have come down in tradition in some way.

Similarly: the mantra said to honor sannyasis: "vedanta vijnana sunischitarthaha..." mantra does not have svaras. However, it has come down in tradition.

That's good to know. My interest was in doing parayana of Upanishads. My teacher said if one studies vedanta, parayana is essential. This enhances the knowledge of that Upanishad. 

In other words, one can do parayana of 7 of the 10 major Upanishads without fearing messing up the svaras!

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

As far as one's own chanting exercise is concerned, it is ideal to sit with a guru and learn it by hearing and repeating under guidance. 

To be able to see how it feels in hearing while looking at the text, one help that is possible is to check for audio recordings. Some of these recordings are uploaded to various websites and some  are available on youtube. 

keying in upanishad chanting gets you many youtube videos. 

Better to choose the authentic traditional ones. 

For example, 

Taittiriya upanishad | Chanting | Peacefull Meditation
https://youtu.be/oThMa0CQ0QA
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TAITRIYA UPANISHAD and MAHANARAYANA UPANISHAD PARAYANAM/ CHANTING for UNIVERSAL WELL BEING
https://youtu.be/w9dZLmmcqRw

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[Raghav K]

Krishna ji,

I am curious why you said "vedanta vijnana sunischitarthaH" does not have a svara, for, it appears as part of Mahanarayana with a svara, and I have usually observed anyone chant it with that same svara.

Kind regards,

Raghav

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[Krishna Kashyap]

I heard from a veda vidwan that svara for this was developed later or something like that.

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

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[Raghav K]

That said, to answer your original question, Vidwan Sri B V Ramapriya N Bhattacharya ji has graced uccharana for Kena Upanishad, Kathopanishad, Prashnopanishad1 and Prashnopanishad2. You already seem to be aware of uccharanas for Ishavasya, Taittiriya, and Brihadaranyaka.

[V Subrahmanian]

On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 9:05 AM Raghav K <mangol...@gmail.com> wrote:

Krishna ji,

I am curious why you said "vedanta vijnana sunischitarthaH" does not have a svara, for, it appears as part of Mahanarayana with a svara, and I have usually observed anyone chant it with that same svara.

Yes, this is part of 'अणोरणीयान् महतो महीयान्...'  In this video it is chanted with swara:  The entire Mahanarayana Upanishad has swara and is studied and taught traditionally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsw4RX3YKoo   at 27.27 onwards.

regards

subrahmanian.v 

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[Krishna Kashyap]

thanks. useful for me.

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

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[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

No - yajnopavitam paramam pavitram has svaras. See yaajuShamantra ratnaakaram published by the vaidikavardhini press sometime in the early 1900s. Also vedAnta vij~nAna has svaras - tattirIya AraNyakam prashna 10. I don’t know who is handing out stories like this. Both have a tradition of being actually taught by sampradAyavits to this date. There is no living tradition chanting aitareya Upanishad with svaras. Big difference.

Ramakrishnan

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[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

I listened to this and found 2 distinct errors within about 8 minutes and a number of other errors where the recitation was not up to par.

Ramakrishna 

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 11:15 PM Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

As far as one's own chanting exercise is concerned, it is ideal to sit with a guru and learn it by hearing and repeating under guidance. 

To be able to see how it feels in hearing while looking at the text, one help that is possible is to check for audio recordings. Some of these recordings are uploaded to various websites and some  are available on youtube. 

keying in upanishad chanting gets you many youtube videos

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[Vishal Agarwal]

I have heard that Gokarna Rigvedins chant the Aitareya Brahmana, Aranyaka and Upanishad with Svaras. Manuscripts with Svaras do exist. Likewise I think at least a generation or two back, Namputiri Brahmins could recite the Kaushitaki Brahmana with Svaras (not sure about the Aranyaka). The Mantrapushpam from R K Mission (recent editions) add Svaras to even other Upanishads outside of the SYV-KYV, presumably based on the grammatical considerations. The Aitareya  I have a recording of Shankhayana Brahmana with Svaras by a Naagara Pandit of an earlier generation, published by Rashtriya Veda Vidya Pratishthan. Need to verify if that includes the Aranyaka portion.

Vishal

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[Vishal Agarwal]

Incomplete sentence being completed- 

]The Aitareya [in RK Mission's Mantrapushpam has Bhaashika Svara like the Brihadaranyaka.]

As Kumarila Bhatta records in his Tantravarrtika, the 8 Samabrahamanas of Kauthuma tradition had lost their Svaras even by his times.

Vishal

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[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

Apologies for sounding brusque, but “I have heard that” is usually followed by a statement which is false. The kaTha shAkhA upanishad has svaras in the mantrapuSpam. Someone just imagined up svaras - that much is obvious. The last person who could chant the entire kaushItaki brAhmana passed away about a decade back. 

Ramakrishnan

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[Vishal Agarwal]

The Maitrayani Upanishad is chanted with Svaras and I have a recording. Once I had tallied the recording with printed editions and only the Maitrayani Aranyakam edition of Svadhyaya Mandala matched it.

Not sure what the purpose of your message was below. You've just stated what I have already said in my email regarding Katha Up and Kaushitaki Br.

Vishal

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