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[gira...@juno.com]

Nov. 7, 2010

 

Respected Scholars, Namaskar!

 

Dear Prof. Narang,

 

Barbar or Berbar or Berbers,Moors and Negro Jews

 

In the known history (after 500 BC) Barbars were present from Libya all way to Arabia. My guess is that they were present at Mahabharat time somewhere between Arabia to Sindhu river deltas.There is one tank by name Barbar tank in Arabia. Dr. Albright of the Johns Hopkins University excavated complete temple from Arabia.A large number of inscriptions are found in Arabia.

 

Huns

 

They were known in 800 BC by name Hsiung-NU-Western Jung. Their leader devised a singing arrow. Their mention in the epic creates a lot of problem. Were they known to ancient Indians by name Hun all the time or by name Urna as described in the book of Savitri Saxena. Their known history is from 800 BC until they drove Italians in sea where Italians built Venice.

 

Critical Edition of Mahabharata

 

BORI spent many years in developing critical edition of Mahabharat  Even then there are lot of problem when one finds a changed names (such as Antakhi and Roma-Yavanapuras)  from the known history in the epic. Even Dr. B.B. Lal says many things were added in the epic in the known history. I do not know how to handle that. Thanks. N.R.Joshi

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Sir, will you please write on the identity of Barbara as a tribe, land, caste or anything else. it is frequently referred to in the MBH and the Puranas. Please also write, if there is a reference to an alternative name of the Hunas? Regards, spnarang

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Nov.2, 2010

Respected Scholars, Namaskar!

 

Ancient name of Bactria

 

Dear Dr. D. Bhattacarya, Thanks for your information. You are right. I do not believe many conclusions of Prof. Witzel. Now here is my information on Bactria.

 

From the book of Savitri Saxena

Page 104. Dr Raychaudhuri places Kurus in Vahlika (Bactria) and not within any territory in India proper. Mahabharata refers to Vahlika PrAtipeya who was the second son of the Kuru king Prateepa. He was paternal uncle of Bhees’ma. Vahlika and Madra were sister provinces. Kuru, Kamboja, Shaka, Vahlika and Madra and Stree Rajya were outside the boundaries of the subcontinent.

At the time of Mahabharat, there was no Pakistan, Afghanistan, Persia, Iran. There were kingdoms including India. Kingdom of Magadha was the most powerful because of Jarasandha.

Please understand that this information does not demote the ancient history of Mahabharata or Bharata. Behind the history of Mahabharata, the history of the whole Eurasia is hidden. Thanks. N. R. Joshi

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Bactria was balihika(AV. Paippalâda-Saṃhitâ),bahl/lhika(AV Úaunakîya-Saṃ.). There was an Indian name, perhaps Vâhlîka. The two are sometimes confused. The AV might have known of Bactria from traders. Witzel speaks of some direct connexion of the AV with Bactria but that is a wrong inference. Discussions on this have been made by me twice – in 2005 (Indische Kultur im Kontext : Ed. Lars Göhler, Harrassowitz, 2005) and Introduction AVP Vol.3, Asiatic Society, Kolkata (to be out this month or the next.) Best DB --- On Mon, 1/11/10, gira...@juno.com <gira...@juno.com> wrote: From: gira...@juno.com <gira...@juno.com> Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} BMAC To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 12:26 AM October 31, 2010   Respected Scholars, Namaskar!     Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex   Reference-Posting of Dr. D. Bhattacharya dated Oct 27 on this list.   I am glad Dr. Bhattacharya, you brought up the subject of BMAC. We had discussion on this topic last year in Dec. 2009. I have the paper of Dr. B.B. Lal-His Inaugural address at the 19th International Conference on South Asian Archaeology,Italy, 2007. He does not go to the ancient names of Bactria and Margiana. So I am asking question first to Shree Arun Upadhaya, then to you and then to other scholars-what were the ancient names of Bactria and Margiana at the time of the epic war? It is said that the name Bactria was given by Greeks. Margiana is Merv (Turkmenistan) of the known history. However I am looking for ancient names. The idea is to understand Mahabharat history. Thanks. N.R.Joshi. ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! -- अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि। ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।। तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः। निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

 

 

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[S P Narang]

Dear Prof. Joshi, Thanks for the information.  My problem is: if the alternative Sanskrit word for Huna is known, a number of linguistic, historical, Prakrit and cultural problems of the cultural history of India can be brought to light. I think the word Huna is preserved in Sanskrit along with some other words. If any Pundit has come across the words, I will be hightly obliged to get the information. Regards, spnarang

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[S. Kalyanaraman]

HrishIvidarbhah kantikasta~Nganah parata~Nganah. |

uttarashchapare mlechchhA jana bharatasattama. || 63 ||

YavanAshcha sa Kamboja Daruna mlechchha jatayah. |

Sakahaddruhah Kuntalashcha Hunah Parasikas saha.|| 64 ||

Tathaiva maradhAahchinastathaiva dasha malikah. |

Kshatriyopaniveshashcha vaishyashudra kulani cha.|| 65 ||

(Mahabharata 6.9.63-65) .

Cited at 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huna_people (I have not rechecked the source)

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2010/11/9 S P Narang <spna...@yahoo.com>

[S P Narang]

Sir, I have read the material of Wikipedia. My query is with regards to the synonyms of Hunas which are lost in due course of time but are preserved in sanskrit in one or the other form. Is HUUHU has any relation? the ghuurn.a may be related to preserved in ghumakkad.a in HIndi. Please help. Regards, spnarang

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[S. Kalyanaraman]

I don't know if the order: Ramatha, Hara, Huna, Sakasthana, mentioned by the late Shri Kota Venkatachalam yields any clue to search for synonyms. http://kmrao.wordpress.com/2009/11/25/sri-kota-venkatachalam-a-complete-scholar-historian/

[S. Kalyanaraman]

I do not know if the synonyms of 'Huna' are discussed in the book: Upendranáth Thakur, 1967, The Hunas in India”.

2010/11/9 S P Narang <spna...@yahoo.com>

Dear Prof. Joshi, Thanks for the information.  My problem is: if the alternative Sanskrit word for Huna is known, a number of linguistic, historical, Prakrit and cultural problems of the cultural history of India can be brought to light. I think the word Huna is preserved in Sanskrit along with some other words. If any Pundit has come across the words, I will be hightly obliged to get the information. Regards, spnarang

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