Re: मन्त्रब्राह्मणयोर्वेदनामधेयम् Mantra and Brahmana

[Vamshi Krishna Ghanapathi]

विद्वद्वरैः जगन्नाथैः वेदलक्षणसम्बन्धिनी चर्चा समुद्भाविता।
अस्मिन्नंशे, सर्वेषां विदुषां सौकर्याय आङ्ग्ल भाषायां समाधातुमिच्छामि।

• Mantra and Brahmana form Veda. This is the basic premise. As quoted by Jagannath, I am not sure who is the Vaartikakaara, who compiled this.
•  It is True that Mantra and Brahmana form Veda. This is the basic premise, while interpreting the Swaroopa of Veda Grantha. (As quoted by Jagannath) I am not sure who is the Vaartikakaara, who compiled this.
• Let me not delve deep into the semantics as such, whether the term Naamadheya denotes Lakshana or not. But, some of his inferences do not seem to be based on Normal Parlances.
• ·         For example: Executive, Legislative and Judiciary constitute Government. But, we normally never call Judiciary Goverment, Legislative Government and Executive Government. (Hence, referring as Satapatha Veda,Gopatha Veda does not arise)
• ·         However, in Executive is referred as Government, in a stand alone reference. Similarly, Mantras/ Chandaamsi are referred as Veda, in some stand alone reference. Hence, this type of references cannot be inferred to conclude the Braahmana is not part of Veda.
• ·         Rig Veda, Yajur Veda, Sama Veda are the references, to emphasise the prevalence of many Mantras, in these patterns.
• ·         Nothing can be said about, the definitive Number of Brahmana Grantha Texts; as so many texts are not available, even their names are heard. (As on dates, Aitareya, Satapatha, Taittireeya, Taandya, Gopatha Brahmanas are studied by students. In Samaveda, scholars refer to 8 Brahmanas  - as Taandya, Shadvimsa, Aarsheya, Devata Adhyaya (Agni), Chaandogya – Mantra, Saama Vidhaana, Samhita Upanishat and Vamsha Brahmana )
• ·         Apourusheyatwam Na Tu Braahmanaanam is also a faulty notion, propounded by western perspective. Nowhere, traditional scholars subscribe to this view.
• ·         If a syllabus has 6 subjects: Mathematics, Science, Social Studies, English, Kannada and Sanskrit for a class; we cannot infer that, Mathematics formed first, followed by Science... English etc. It denotes primacy, importance and order; but nevertheless decimates the importance of the latter texts. Thus, Mantras forming the basis of the current Form, Order of Vedas are uttered first.
• ·         Prior to the division and organisation of Vedic Texts by Veda Vyasa; there were just five references: Mantras 1. Rik, 2. Yajur 3. Saama and 4. Atharvana (Angirasa) and explanatory texts as Brahmana. In Vedic Texts, we find these references.
• ·         In fact, Taittireeya Saakha has many references; where first usage of Mantras is quoted, followed by the incidence of Mantras.

Therefore, understanding the concept in correct perpestive would dispel the notions.

With Warm Regards
वंशीकृष्ण घनपाठी
Vamshi K Ghanapathi
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सर्वं ब्रह्ममयम्

[Dipak Bhattacharya]

Dear Colleagues, Is not at least one of the problems raised by Shri Jagannatha solved by the following table?         Veda Veda→    ↓	RV	SV	YV	AV
Mantra	Śākala-Saṃhitā etc.	Kauthma-S. etc	Taittirīya-S.etc	Paippalāda-S.etc
Brāhmaṇa	Aitareya-B.etc	Pañcaviṃśa-B.etc	Taittirīya-B.etc	Gopatha-B.etc.

 

It shows how the Veda can mean both the four titles Rigveda etc. and at the same time the four types Samhitaa, Braahmana etc. 

Best

DB 

--- On Wed, 14/7/10, Vamshi Krishna Ghanapathi <vkghan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Therefore, understanding the concept in correct perpestive would dispel the notions.With Warm Regards

वंशीकृष्ण घनपाठी
Vamshi K Ghanapathi
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सर्वं ब्रह्ममयम्

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