Requesting details/specifics regarding parjanya yajna

[Shashi Joshi]

Respected members,

Today's news item says Gujarat govt to do many parjanya yajnas.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/gujarat-plans-41-yagna-in-33-dists-for-good-rains/articleshow/64296280.cms

Similar yajnas have been done previously as well in many states.

I am interested to know if there are/were any specific scientific factors in these specific yajnas that helped rains, similar to maybe modern cloud-seeding efforts.

Since different yajnas had different procedures, maybe in the parjanya yajna there were some specific materials put in the agni that would have similar effect as cloud-seeding.

Any details/specifics of the parjanya yajna are also greatly appreciated.

I somehow believe that lot (if not most) of our traditional rituals had objective and scientific reasons that were shrouded with stories, spirituality etc to make people do it out of respect, awe, duty etc, and everyone need not know the dry details. Over time, maybe the dry details have been lost altogether, and these may seem like superstitions to modern audience.

Please do not read any other motive to my sincere question.

Namo namaH

Thanks,

~ Shashikant

[Dr.C.S.R. Prabhu]

You are right. Temperature Inversion and seeding in the Cloud was postulated for thevuajnas to result in precipitation

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[Venkata Sriram]

It is all in the power of mantras and the person who chants it. Nothing scientific about these. I can recall one and only one person shri uppuluri Ganapathi Sastry ji who did varuna yaga during the times of PVRK Prasad garu in TTD. Tirupati reservoir went dry. During those tough times, Sastry ji performed varuna yaga with varuna pasha prayoga. There was a huge downpour in Tirumala and not a drop in surrounding areas. The devatas are under the control of brahmins (mantra siddhas). Let us not associate cloud seeding and other fancies with the mantra prayoga. Yes, a vaidika purusha who is siddha knows the viniyoga part of mantra shastra which works with grace of Ishwara.

Regs,
Sriram

[Dr.C.S.R. Prabhu]

Cloud seeding is done with Silver Iodide being dumped in the Clouds by planes 

Silver Iodide ions act as nuclei in the Clouds to result in precipitation.The same people stated that ground seeding of clouds by vapours also  is possible by burning Silver Iodide .They also stated that burning certain type of herbs etc on the ground can possibly act equivalent to seeding of the Clouds. In Yajnas this posdibly happens in addition to temperature inversion in Clouds due to heat created in Yajnas.Many people could induce rains through Yajnas. Other aspects of Yajnas such as the  effects of chanting of  Mantras by  individuals or groups cannot be commented upon due to lack of research. Reserach on the various  effects of  chanting  Mantras is still not done ,as per my understanding.

[Shashi Joshi]

>>> It is all in the power of mantras and the person who chants it.   

I am looking for something more specific than 'it is all in the power of mantra'.

The questions then is - What is the power of the mantra? And why mantra has power?

Then why yajna fire has to be done?

etc etc

>>> Nothing scientific about these. 

If there is nothing scientific in it, then it is purely superstitious? Then why waste public resources in doing something today that will have no bearing in bringing down rains?

If someone asks how milk gets heated when put in a microwave, the layman answer could surely be 'It is all in the power of the box', but surely there is more to the heating of the food in the box.

I have all respect for our heritage and rishis, but I respectfully refuse to believe that there is true 'super natural' power and siddhi etc. These could be metaphors, mysteries, symbolic, and understanding them doesn't reduce them in any way. aNimA doesn't mean one's entire gross body could physically get as small as an atom.

They were all in the realm of the nature, physics.

Just like no one could have thought of super conductors, and if you were to see its application only, and not the theory, you would think it is magic.

TV is a magic, so is ATM, for layman who can't explain how exactly they work.

What I am genuinely seeking is, for example, what kind of offerings were made in a parjanya yajna? Do they have any relation to the chemistry involved in a cloud seeding?

>>> Let us not associate cloud seeding and other fancies with the mantra prayoga

Fancies?

Today aspects of weather are indeed controlled, by inducing chemistry artificially, that usually happens naturally. That is not fancy.

I didn't say the parjanya yajna is same as cloud seeding, but similar in results. And hence my query into the details of parjanya yajna.

Please don't dismiss with such authority what are genuine quests for specific details, when your answer is simply 'it is all in the power of the mantra'.

Thanks,

~ Shashikant

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[Venkata Sriram]

kratau suptē jāgrat tvamasi phalayōgē kratumatām
kva karma pradhvastaṃ phalati puruṣārādhanamṛtē|
atastvāṃ samprēkṣya kratuṣu phaladāna-pratibhuvam
śrutau śraddhāṃ badhvā dṛḍhaparikaraḥ karmasu janaḥ

.......from shiva-mahimnaH stavaH.

rgs,

sriram

Thanks,

~ Shashikant

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

The reasoning can be from both sides:

If mantra and the supernatural competence of the priest or the team of priests do everything, not the materials used and the procedure followed, why all the details of the materials, why all the procedural prescriptions, why all the s'aastras such as s'ulba sootras, s'raouta sootras etc. ? 

If everything is achieved by  the materials used and the procedure followed, all the details of the materials, all the procedural prescriptions, all the s'aastras such as s'ulba sootras, s'raouta sootras etc., why mantras and the supernatural competence of the priest or the team of priests  ?

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But the question is, is there a yajna called parjanya yajna? Where is it mentioned and described? 

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One Dr Sudars'an , an Aryasamaji, an employee of NIRD, Hyderabad, I heard, did his PhD (?) research on the cloud control with Yajna procedures.  I heard that he brought rain to prove his thesis. I will collect the details and share.I heard that he brought rain to 'prove' his thesis.

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If acid rains, ashy rains, crude oil rains all caused by smokes are possible, theoretically fertlizer rains (through paushTika yajnas) and pesticidal rains (through s'aantika yajnas) must be possible through specific smokes created for the purpose.  

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Explanation of how a medicine works, does not make the medicine work. Proof of the pudding is in its eating. 

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Explanation of how a medicine works can help find new medicines, understand do's and don'ts while the medicine is used etc. 

But that explanation is not needed at the user level. 

Thanks and regards,

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[Dr.C.S.R. Prabhu]

Sudarshan (who was a Sanskrit expert retired  Bank employee)was able to bring rain near NIRD through Sama Veda chanting and Yajnas  ,he claimed.I interacted with him.msny times.Is he available now?

Nagaraj Paturi

 

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

I have no idea. 

I heard about him  from Hyderabad Aryasamajis.

Since you too have acquaintances among them, please verify and share with the group. I will also enquire. 

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[Sathya Narayanan N]

This cloud seeding technique is good as a theory. From scientific p.o.v. scientific community has moved from this.

My Chemistry prof was the one who did this for TN govt during early 2K in Chennai. He is one of the foremost proposers of this idea.

He himself has declared it as practically nonviable during several conversations.

Mixing Science and Vedas doesn't work out for statement. Veda is a different process altogether, which will help in achieving a goal. It has its own syntaxes, semantics and rules to translate a desire to achievement.

Everything has to be tried to achieve, so the question of asking "wasting public money" is unscientific. Science requires so much resource and effort. Some call it as a wastage.

Until we try and improve on the existing result, goal cant be achieved. This is the fundamental thought of a researcher in Science.

Further Science doesn't equate to "not wasting public money" (imagine where decision making is wrong in a step in algorithm). Neither the so called "Not so Science thinking" also doesn't equate to wasting public money.

Coming to the point:

As far as yajna is concerned, as someone earlier said. The result of rain is based on the mantras and the recitor (Tapas/Mantra Siddhi/Anushtana). This is the correct reasoning.

I have personally heard students and elders telling how my great grand father who was a Principle investigator/Adhyapaka at Travancoe Kingdomss Patashala. He used to cure one side headache and other health ailments of the last Travancore king through mrutyanja japa and rig veda mantra recitation.

There is nothing scientific here. He attained the mantra siddhi through Tapas, anushtana, achara, etc... at young age. Reverred scholars say, through the steps mentioned in Vedas and Sastras one can satisfy the devata (Devata Priethi). It is something similar to process orientation in Engineering industry. 

I have been taught some vedic mantras. And definitely I cant do what he did. Because, I lack in Tapas and spending time.

Nagaraj Paturi

 

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[Dr.C.S.R. Prabhu]

The Science behind Mantras is subtle  AND UNKNOWN TO MODERN SCIENCE .

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[Shashi Joshi]

Mrityunjayaa mantra has a lot of humming sounds, which has direct acoustic effect on the skull and thus heals headaches. That is the science behind it. Instead of that mantra one may simply chant OM or even do bhramarii pranayam and get the results similar.

I have myself cured my headaches many times by saying this mantra. The science comes when it is the chanting with some force and not just mumbling it, or chanting in mind only. The acoustics have amazing and almost immediate effect on the skull.

That is not belittling the mantra.

Vedas are different than science and in realm of mystery - is very exotic statement. I think we may have lost the reasoning along the way, but that doesn't mean there was none.

I do understand the psychological effects of the belief, and that itself is the science there. Science means a systematic way, not necessarily hi tech lab. And vedic thought has been more scientific than most agree today.

I am fine to be content with parjanya yajna being a metaphor, with no hard science behind it. In which case, it is waste of public resources by the govt. And if there is indeed some hard facts to the yajna, I am curious to know.

Put simply, I am not insulting anything with my query, so please don't divert the topic. *Folded hand emoji*

I want to know if anyone knows the hard facts behind this yajna and it's efficacy. Not the anecdotal stuff. That is there for all to read in our ancient vangmaya.

Sorry for any misunderstanding due to my miscommunication.

Thanks,
Shashikant

[Dr.C.S.R. Prabhu]

The effects of any Vedic Technique like  Chanting of the  Veda or performance of a Yajna  are  supposed to act at  three levels: Adhibhoutika,Adhidaivika and Adhyatmika. Present day Science is at best at Adhibhoutika Level.I suppose Mantra Sastra works at Adhidaivika level and Adhyatmika is the Spiritual level at the level of Self.The Mantra must be the subtle form of the Devatha or Force or Component of  of Nature which also has a Gross or Adhibhiutika form.

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/gujarat-plans-41-yagna-in-33-dists-for-good-rains/articleshow/64296280.cms

The yagnas will also mark the culmination of the Gujarat government’s month-long drive, ‘Sujlam Suflam Jal Abhiyaan’. The drive was undertaken to de-silt and deepen rivers, lakes, pond, canals and other water bodies to harvest more rain water during the forthcoming monsoon season.

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/150810/nation-current-affairs/article/muslims-pray-rains-hyderabad

The way the news is reported, the activity planned does not seem to be some elaborate yajna of a given format, it seems to be prayers in the form of havan/homa. Seems to be part of mobilisation of people's solidarity with the goverment's 'rational ' efforts like de-silting etc., 

All political parties while in ruling did activities that communicated "we are emotionally with you in trying to overcome the water-crisis. ;

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-minister-faces-flak-for-ritual-to-propitiate-rain-god-2464496

Praying is a kind of expression of experiencing the crisis:

https://www.deccanchronicle.com/150810/nation-current-affairs/article/muslims-pray-rains-hyderabad 

[Shashi Joshi]

While understanding the politics of these things in modern times, my curiosity arose to see if there are details available on such yajnas, and if any modern studies have been done to find more.

Thanks,
Shashikant

[Kalyan K]

Dear Sri Shashi

//Mrityunjayaa mantra has a lot of humming sounds, which has direct acoustic effect on the skull and thus heals headaches. That is the science behind it. Instead of that mantra one may simply chant OM or even do bhramarii pranayam and get the results//


One of my young and very close relatives was in hospital a few years back. Maha mrutyunjaya homam was done for his sake by learned pundits. It did not work and the person passed away. If there were a science behind it, I guess it should have worked.

[Dr.C.S.R. Prabhu]

Yes.Some studies were done on Yajnas for rains .Results were also there.This was there in Rajasthan(Contact Prof Ravi Prakash Arya of Haryana whose Father is an expert in this activity)

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[Shashi Joshi]

I only said that chanting this works for the chanter's headache.

Not others.

Not all diseases.

My claim is specific and personal.

And I have found even sustained OM chanting has helped. But it has to be done by the person suffering with headache.

It is a direct acoustics effect, and will help even someone who doesn't know anything about shiva or veda or mantra. Just chanting it with force will help, that is the science part.

I say this with all humbleness.

Karma gives fruits to the karmi

Thanks,
Shashikant

[Shashi Joshi]

Also, mrityunjaya mantra for the extremely sick is not to revive their body, but to pray for easy departure.

No one can overcome death itself, but the fear of death can be possibly overcome. Even Rama and Krishna had to go from the mortal world, birth must be followed by death in this martyaloka.

Thanks,
Shashi

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[Kalyan K]

//Even Rama and Krishna had to go from the mortal world, birth must be followed by death in this martyaloka.//


Is this a rule sir? I have not heard of the deaths of other avatAras like vAmana, varAha, narasimha. There are also chiranjeevis like vyAsa, hanumAn etc.

[Kalyan K]

//Also, mrityunjaya mantra for the extremely sick is not to revive their body, but to pray for easy departure.//


As far as I know, mrutyunjaya homam is done for preventing untimely death. It is not done for easy departure, which is the exact opposite of its goal.

[Shashi Joshi]

The mrityunjaya mantra words themselves say urvarukamiva ...

It is the fear of death, the bond of attachment that is the problem and solvable. Mortal death  itself is inevitable.

I think we are digressing from the topic, so I will retreat.

Thanks,
Shashi

[Shashi Joshi]

Mortal body has a defined death.

The immortality is of the karma, AtmA, not of the body.

We are digressing from the topic, so I will retreat here.

Thanks,
Shashi

[Shashi Joshi]

The key is untimely death.
That is what pains the most to both parties.

But who knows when the time has come?

Thanks,
Shashi

On Fri, May 25, 2018, 3:18 PM Kalyan K <pk.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

//Also, mrityunjaya mantra for the extremely sick is not to revive their body, but to pray for easy departure.//


As far as I know, mrutyunjaya homam is done for preventing untimely death. It is not done for easy departure, which is the exact opposite of its goal.

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Sirs,

This is really a digression.

You may start a new thread, not here, please.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Shashi Joshi <shas...@gmail.com> wrote:

The key is untimely death.
That is what pains the most to both parties.

But who knows when the time has come?

Thanks,
Shashi

On Fri, May 25, 2018, 3:18 PM Kalyan K <pk.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

//Also, mrityunjaya mantra for the extremely sick is not to revive their body, but to pray for easy departure.//


As far as I know, mrutyunjaya homam is done for preventing untimely death. It is not done for easy departure, which is the exact opposite of its goal.

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Indra Yaaga for rains is mentioned in Bhaagavata PueaaNa.

But is it Vaidika? It doesn't seem to be a Vaidika Yajna.

Anyway Sri Krishna dissuades the cowherds from performing Indra Yaaga and persuades them to worship the Govwedhana Hill.  

[Narendra Dutt Tiwari]

One desertation, by Dr. Dev (brother of Dr. Vishwanath Vaman Dev from Banaras Hindu University) in sampoornananda Sanskrit University and other  one was submitted by my self in1999 in the department of Veda, Banaras Hindu University, Varanasi.

With regards

Narendra Duty Tiwari

On May 25, 2018 16:02, "Nagaraj Paturi" <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

Indra Yaaga for rains is mentioned in Bhaagavata PueaaNa.

But is it Vaidika? It doesn't seem to be a Vaidika Yajna.

Anyway Sri Krishna dissuades the cowherds from performing Indra Yaaga and persuades them to worship the Govwedhana Hill.  

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sirs,

This is really a digression.

You may start a new thread, not here, please.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Shashi Joshi <shas...@gmail.com> wrote:

The key is untimely death.
That is what pains the most to both parties.

But who knows when the time has come?

Thanks,
Shashi

On Fri, May 25, 2018, 3:18 PM Kalyan K <pk.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

//Also, mrityunjaya mantra for the extremely sick is not to revive their body, but to pray for easy departure.//


As far as I know, mrutyunjaya homam is done for preventing untimely death. It is not done for easy departure, which is the exact opposite of its goal.

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Can you please share the exact title, if possible, the source from where it can be accessed and /or if possible, a brief summary of the dissertation(s) , sir ?

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Narendra Dutt Tiwari <narendr...@gmail.com> wrote:

One desertation, by Dr. Dev (brother of Dr. Vishwanath Vaman Dev from Banaras Hindu University) in sampoornananda Sanskrit University and other  one was submitted by my self in1999 in the department of Veda, Banaras Hindu University, Varanasi.

With regards

Narendra Duty Tiwari

On May 25, 2018 16:02, "Nagaraj Paturi" <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

Indra Yaaga for rains is mentioned in Bhaagavata PueaaNa.

But is it Vaidika? It doesn't seem to be a Vaidika Yajna.

Anyway Sri Krishna dissuades the cowherds from performing Indra Yaaga and persuades them to worship the Govwedhana Hill.  

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:50 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sirs,

This is really a digression.

You may start a new thread, not here, please.

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Shashi Joshi <shas...@gmail.com> wrote:

The key is untimely death.
That is what pains the most to both parties.

But who knows when the time has come?

Thanks,
Shashi

On Fri, May 25, 2018, 3:18 PM Kalyan K <pk.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

//Also, mrityunjaya mantra for the extremely sick is not to revive their body, but to pray for easy departure.//


As far as I know, mrutyunjaya homam is done for preventing untimely death. It is not done for easy departure, which is the exact opposite of its goal.

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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

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Nagaraj Paturi

 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

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[Sathya Narayanan N]

In the light of this yagnya <-> science confusion. I have a query, regarding Deve Gowda's yagya for political revival in Sringeri.

reference: https://www.google.co.in/search?q=shatru+samhara+yagnya+sringeri+devegowda&oq=shatru+samhara+yagnya+sringeri+devegowda&aqs=chrome..69i57.9951j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Didn't it bear fruit ? As per data, yes.

Now how one can prove it ?

As a Computer Science researcher, there are two acceptable methods for any peer reviewed journals or call it research work.

1. It can be through formal proofs (mathematical equations).

2. Empirical results. (Mathematical proofs are always considered highly acceptable)

So, which way are we going to validate this case ?

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 4:39:53 PM UTC+5:30, Sheel Aditya wrote:

Tangential point: Immortality, or extreme longevity, is possible for those who have siddhis obtained through yoga tapasya or rasayana. Some have siddhis by birth also, like sukadeva, Vyasa's son. Sri Rama and Sri Krsna were not siddhas, they were avataras with specific objectives. Their death was also part of a pre-determined plan.

In the recent past, Tailanga swami or Trilinga swami of Varanasi (born in Andhra) is said to have lived for more than 300 years.

[Kalyan K]

//Didn't it bear fruit ? As per data, yes.

Now how one can prove it ?
As a Computer Science researcher, there are two acceptable methods for any peer reviewed journals or call it research work.

1. It can be through formal proofs (mathematical equations).

2. Empirical results. (Mathematical proofs are always considered highly acceptable)//


We can prove it through techniques of Statistical inference. Deve Gowda's case is a single sample point and cannot be used for drawing any conclusions.

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Among the three major political parties or their leaders, JD(S) /Kumaraswamy Gowda is the experimental group. Congress, BJP control groups. 

Hence proved. 

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[Shashi Joshi]

:) :)

Thanks,
Shashi

[Nagaraj Paturi]

In the language of the youngters, lol😀

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Shashi Joshi <shas...@gmail.com> wrote:

:) :)

Thanks,
Shashi

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[Kalyan K]

I am afraid your conclusion is wrong. Only one instance of the ritual was performed and one is too insufficient to draw any conclusion.

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Let us ask Gowda to perform during the next elections again. 😀

Coming back to the serious aspect of it, from the point of view of Gowda and all those who come to know of these two pieces of information, it IS proved. 

काङ्क्षन्तः कर्मणां सिद्धिं यजन्त इह देवताः ।

क्षिप्रं हि मानुषे लोके सिद्धिर्भवति कर्मजा ॥ ४-१२॥

On Fri, May 25, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Kalyan K <pk.k...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am afraid your conclusion is wrong. Only one instance of the ritual was performed and one is too insufficient to draw any conclusion.

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[Narayan Joshi]

Dear Venkat Sriram,

What is meant by  VaruNa Paasha prayoga you referred to in rain by Mantra? Thanks NRJOSHI 

On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 7:31 PM, Dr.C.S.R. Prabhu <csrp...@kmit.in> wrote:

Cloud seeding is done with Silver Iodide being dumped in the Clouds by planes 

Silver Iodide ions act as nuclei in the Clouds to result in precipitation.The same people stated that ground seeding of clouds by vapours also  is possible by burning Silver Iodide .They also stated that burning certain type of herbs etc on the ground can possibly act equivalent to seeding of the Clouds. In Yajnas this posdibly happens in addition to temperature inversion in Clouds due to heat created in Yajnas.Many people could induce rains through Yajnas. Other aspects of Yajnas such as the  effects of chanting of  Mantras by  individuals or groups cannot be commented upon due to lack of research. Reserach on the various  effects of  chanting  Mantras is still not done ,as per my understanding.

On Thu 24 May, 2018, 11:35 PM Venkata Sriram, <srira...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is all in the power of mantras and the person who chants it.  Nothing scientific about these.  I can recall one and only one person shri uppuluri Ganapathi Sastry ji who did varuna yaga during the times of PVRK Prasad garu in TTD.  Tirupati reservoir went dry. During those tough times, Sastry ji performed varuna yaga with varuna pasha prayoga.  There was a huge downpour in Tirumala and not a drop in surrounding areas.  The devatas are under the control of brahmins (mantra siddhas).  Let us not associate cloud seeding and other fancies with the mantra prayoga.  Yes, a vaidika purusha who is siddha knows the viniyoga part of mantra shastra which works with grace of Ishwara. 

Regs,
Sriram

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[Ramanathan PS]

Sir,

As far as my limited knowledge goes, there is mention of a Kamya Isti called कारीरी in the Vedas which is prescribed for one who wishes for rains. 

कारीर्या  वृष्टिकामो यजेत (Maitrayaniya Samhita 2.4.8). Taittiriya Samhita 2.4.7-10 describes it with Mantras and Brahmanas. 

Havis is prepared with Karira (करीरः = वंशांकुरः, the shoot of a bamboo) and Kharjura (Dates) pounded with honey. They are mixed on an antelope skin. 

Scholars say Karira is a fruit bearing bush. It is also said that Kariras are connected to Soma.

The Adhikari is Raja or Purohita. The performer of Kariristi is prohibited from consuming Karira for a year. 

The Yajamana, Patni and the Rtviks wear black garments with a black fringe. A black horse is kept standing in front of the Ahavaniya facing west. 

These are symbolic of black cloud formation and for causing Parjanya to quicken the rains.

Oblations are offered to Vayu, the 4 quarters and 4 intermediate quarters. Three purodasas are made and offered to Agni Dhamachhad, Maruts and Surya. 

An earthen pot is made out of unbaked blackish clay and filled with water. If it breaks rain is assured.

Please refer to other Samhitas, Brahmanas, Srauta-sutras and Prayogas for further details.

Warm regards,

Ramanathan P S

 

On Thursday, 24 May 2018 19:32:48 UTC+5:30, Shashi wrote:

Respected members,

Today's news item says Gujarat govt to do many parjanya yajnas.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/gujarat-plans-41-yagna-in-33-dists-for-good-rains/articleshow/64296280.cms

Similar yajnas have been done previously as well in many states.

I am interested to know if there are/were any specific scientific factors in these specific yajnas that helped rains, similar to maybe modern cloud-seeding efforts.

Since different yajnas had different procedures, maybe in the parjanya yajna there were some specific materials put in the agni that would have similar effect as cloud-seeding.

Any details/specifics of the parjanya yajna are also greatly appreciated.

I somehow believe that lot (if not most) of our traditional rituals had objective and scientific reasons that were shrouded with stories, spirituality etc to make people do it out of respect, awe, duty etc, and everyone need not know the dry details. Over time, maybe the dry details have been lost altogether, and these may seem like superstitions to modern audience.

Please do not read any other motive to my sincere question.

Namo namaH

Thanks,

~ Shashikant

[Dr.C.S.R. Prabhu]

I have also seen Kariri Isti references.Is Kariri plant dentifiable please?

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