Biography of Shivaji in Sanskrit by his court-poet

[Shrikant Jamadagni]

Dear all

I did not know until today that this existed!

https://www.rarebooksocietyofindia.org/postDetail.php?id=196174216674_10157035507881675

regards

Shrikant Jamadagni
Bengaluru

[Sivasenani Nori]

Wow! I hope the Indic Academy can arrange for an English translation before a Columbia University scholar or such takes it up, translates it and writes an Introduction twice the length of the translation to say that the book is not reliable as far as historical facts are concerned. It has about 2,300 slokas. 

Regards 

Senani

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[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

Then KKKolumbia university "scholars" will have a 100 page write-up on how Indic academy is "sanghi" and anything from there is untrustworthy along with the twice-the-length-introduction. So any which way you lose.

Ramakrishnan

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Nothing to lose but the chains of colonization, orientalism etc. !!!

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BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS Kavikulaguru Kalidasa Sanskrit University, Ramtek, Maharashtra

BoS Veda Vijnana Gurukula, Bengaluru.

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Editor-in-Chief, International Journal of Studies in Public Leadership

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies, 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education, 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

 

 

[Siddharth Wakankar]

Dear Scholar Friends,

I give below details of three wonderful books,which will be very helpful in studying this fascinating subject.

1. मराठ्यांच्या इतिहासाची संस्कृत साधने- डॉ. सदाशिव शिवदे.टि.म.वि.पुणे .२०१०.

2. परमानंदकाव्यम्-संपादक- डॉ.सदाशिव शिवदे.अनुवादक- डॉ.स.मो.अयाचित.विश्वामित्र प्रकाशन.पुणे.२०१०.

3.किल्ले प्रतापगढनिवासिनी श्रीप्रतापदुर्गामाहात्म्यम्-संशोधक,संपादक, अनुवादक- डॉ.सदाशिव शिवदे आणि डॉ.स.मो.अयाचित. विश्वामित्र प्रकाशन,पुणे.२०१०.

The first book is a Thesis which is not only exhaustive but exhausting too.

These three Marathi books are worth studying and could be translated into English by some competent scholar for wider consumption and getting a true picture of those days.

Thanks and regards.

Prof.Siddharth Y.Wakankar

Vadodara.9427339942.

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[Veeranarayanacharya Pandurangi]

It is not to offend anyone. But what indian people did mistakes is not publishing anything. We can say and write one thousand things in samskrit kannada marathi or whatever language, it will not count. Only English books will count for authentic research now. 

Hence most important thing we need to do is to write in English whatever pages. If again Columbians write one hundred pages, we should be patient enough to write two hundred pages against it. This is how humanities are made in general and Indology especially. Whatever thing  written in English becomes research. 

We need to do it again and again. 

The sutra is

Don't hesitate waste thousands of pages if want to change it.

I request everyone to follow it.

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[Dr. Yadu Moharir]

Namste Panduringi-ji

On another thread Prof Paturi-ji says,

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Towards the end of the video , the woman anchoring the lecture emphatically declares that languages are created by humans , not by 'any so called' 'devas' or anything. 

This reveals the intention behind the title 'deification' . 'Deity ' (divine status, quality, or nature) is factual but is '-fied', attributed to, put over  Sanskrit. 

The lecture too begins with the mention of  'देवीं वाचमजनयन्त देवाः' .... and its interpretation around 14:20 - 15:20 . 

There it is said that वाच्‌ or वाक्‌ is देवी why ? BECAUSE it is created by 'gods'

<<

Does this mean that English language is and/or needs to be classified as the  "वाक्‌ देवी" ?

Rgds

Dr Yadu

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It is not to offend anyone. But what indian people did mistakes is not publishing anything. We can say and write one thousand things in samskrit kannada marathi or whatever language, it will not count. Only English books will count for authentic research now. 

Hence most important thing we need to do is to write in English whatever pages. If again Columbians write one hundred pages, we should be patient enough to write two hundred pages against it. This is how humanities are made in general and Indology especially. Whatever thing  written in English becomes research. 

We need to do it again and again. 

The sutra is

Don't hesitate waste thousands of pages if want to change it.

I request everyone to follow it.

On Thu, 15 Jul, 2021, 12:21 am Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan, <b.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Dr Yadu,

Since you mentioned my words , it is appropriate only for me to respond. 

If your remark is sarcastic, a response to Prof. Pandurangi highlighlighting the unfortunate reality of significance gained by  publishing in English, it is fine, I too 😀😀 along with you. 

But if it is a serious query, then the following is my answer .  

If you understand the difference between speech, speaking, communicating through a system of sounds, as a universal human if not animal/zoological phenomenon and English, Marathi, Telugu etc. as specific languages, 

what is being stuta /varNita as देवी here is 

not any specific language like English, Marathi, Telugu etc.

but

speech, speaking, communicating through a system of sounds, as a universal human if not animal/zoological phenomenon.

Evidence ?

तां विश्वरूपाः पशवो वदन्ति ।

just a few words later in the same mantra. 

Does it mean that Vedic tradition does not recognize any special significance for Sanskrit ?

Vedic tradition does recognize special significance for Sanskrit.

It is based on the encapsulation of the culture of the speakers in their speech. 

Sanskrit has the Dharma of the s'ishTas through whose speaking / speech it evolved. 

शिष्ट < शास means disciplined, here self-disciplined, naturally self-disciplined, self-discipline being their helpless born nature. 

One could universalize this discussion and say, there could be self-disciplined English speakers too. 

Yes, the English of the self-disciplined English speakers has the self-disciplined culture of them. 

If English speakers consciously developed their language in a way that preserves the culture of their self-disciplined ancestors, they do so with a respect for and in order to imbibe the  culture of their self-disciplined ancestors.

In the case of Sanskrit, Sanskrit speakers consciously developed their language in a way that preserves the culture of their self-disciplined ancestors with a respect for and in order to imbibe the  culture of their self-disciplined ancestors.

For Bhaarateeyas who respect the  Dharma of the s'ishTas through whose speaking / speech  Sanskrit evolved, Sanskrit is special, divya = divine, respectable, worshippable for that reason. 

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[Achyut Karve]

Dear friends,

To say that man makes without a caveat  itself shows the ignorance of the person making the statement.  Man makes but not as he wishes.  He makes in given circumstances dictated by nature.  

The question is what has nature provided that man make a language.  Has any linguist described it?  Has any linguist described the rules that govern the sequence of letters that go into making of a word? 

What makes Sanskrit so unique?  As a language it is no different than any other.  However when it comes to its structure it is different.  Thanks to Panini for describing the Sanskrit language by means of rules.  

However a more pertinent question needs to be answered.  Why only rules of letter sequences could be made for Sanskrit?  Did Panini through his rules reveal the aesthetic running in the minds of the Shisthas  contemporary to Panini  regarding  order of letters in words?  Did his contemporaries accept them or were there differences of opinion?

It is a tragedy that my book 'The Atlantis of Sanskrit Phonology' has not been taken seriously.  There is a thread running through the Mahesh war Sutras which is much deeper than what it is considered to offer - ie pratyaharas.  It is also a tragedy that contemporary shisthas take a utilitarian view of the Ashtadhyayi.

By saying that the Astadhyayi is a masterpiece nothing is served.  Voicing mere opinions on it too also does not serve any purpose either.  

One may write pages on length 100, 1000 or more.  The Question is can we draft a single sutra?

With regards,

Achyut Karve.

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[BVK Sastry (G-S-Pop)]

Namaste

 

Good point from Paturi garu: < For Bhaarateeyas who respect the  Dharma of the s'ishTas through whose speaking / speech  Sanskrit evolved, Sanskrit is special, divya = divine, respectable, worshippable for that reason.   >

 

What needs to be done  by us to get that  ‘divya’ -  divine respectable status ?, which currently is struck as ‘ Non-Translatable, Classical, Ancient IE-’  language  of (Hindu) ‘worship’ ?

What is the process to get blessed with  ‘ Divyam chakshuh’ to  see the glory of Deva-Vani?

 

(Gita:  न तु मां शक्यसे द्रष्टुमनेनैव स्वचक्षुषा।  दिव्यं ददामि ते चक्षुः पश्य मे योगमैश्वरम्।।11.8।।)

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

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It is not to offend anyone. But what indian people did mistakes is not publishing anything. We can say and write one thousand things in samskrit kannada marathi or whatever language, it will not count. Only English books will count for authentic research now. 

Hence most important thing we need to do is to write in English whatever pages. If again Columbians write one hundred pages, we should be patient enough to write two hundred pages against it. This is how humanities are made in general and Indology especially. Whatever thing  written in English becomes research. 

 

We need to do it again and again. 

The sutra is

Don't hesitate waste thousands of pages if want to change it.

I request everyone to follow it.

 

On Thu, 15 Jul, 2021, 12:21 am Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan, <b.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Then KKKolumbia university "scholars" will have a 100 page write-up on how Indic academy is "sanghi" and anything from there is untrustworthy along with the twice-the-length-introduction. So any which way you lose.

 

Ramakrishnan

 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 7:44 AM Sivasenani Nori <sivas...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow! I hope the Indic Academy can arrange for an English translation before a Columbia University scholar or such takes it up, translates it and writes an Introduction twice the length of the translation to say that the book is not reliable as far as historical facts are concerned. It has about 2,300 slokas. 

 

Regards 

Senani

On Wed, 14 Jul, 2021, 4:51 pm 'Shrikant Jamadagni' via भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्, <bvpar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear all

 

I did not know until today that this existed!

 

https://www.rarebooksocietyofindia.org/postDetail.php?id=196174216674_10157035507881675

 

 

regards

 

 

Shrikant Jamadagni
Bengaluru

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