Term "Tongue-twister" in Sanskrit

[Mārcis Gasūns]

Namaste,

  There is an English term tongue-twister for shlokas like:

कः खगौघाङचिच्छौजा झाञ्ज्ञोऽटौठीडडण्ढणः ।

तथोदधीन् पफर्बाभीर्मयोऽरिल्वाशिषां सहः ॥ १

    

   But would would be a good Sanskrit name for them?

Regards,

Marcis

[उषाराणी सङ्का]

Namaste

Though I don't get a perfect, exact, precise word for it- I prefer to take it the meaning-wise and express it in the following lines-

( I consulted Apte-  https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/AEScan/2020/web/index.php )

Direction--

1. Tongue - रसना, रसनं, जिह्वा

2. Difficult - असुकर, दुश्चर, कठिन, दुष्कर, दुःसाध्य, कष्ट. 2 गहन, विषम, 

3. pronunciation - उदीरणं speech- वाक्, वचः

So from combining them in different formats- we can have a set of words from which the easiest to say (:D) can be chosen.

Words suggested--

रसना-असुगमम् - (असुगमं will ensure that it is not about taste aspect of the tongue but pronunciation aspect)

जिह्वा-दुष्करम्

रसन-दुःसाध्यम् or विषमं etc. 

Caution - Avoid रसना for the deergha might be misleading through the negation of the whole idea.

Suggestions---

We can add the pronunciation/speech if required at the end like-

रसना-असुगमवाक् - 

जिह्वा-दुष्कर-वचनम्

रसन-दुष्करोदीरणम्

I don't know if this is right direction in thinking and approach. 

Just shared :) Feedback is welcome-

Thanks in advance.

इत्थं विनीता

-उषा

[Shashi Joshi]

How about using बद्धजिह्वः = tongue-tied, as a starter and work out a new word 

Or, जिह्वा-कुञ्चकः - literally tongue-twister.

Thanks,

~ Shashi

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[Mārcis Gasūns]

Thanks for the proposals!

दुर्वाचकयोगः in Kamasutra is not the term for a "tongue-twister"?

[30] употребление труднопроизносимы слов in Russian translation

Speaking in language that others don't understand - is a mistranslation itself, I believe.

बद्ध is not apt. कुञ्च् goes by twist- but not the idea as in English.

कुञ्च् also (कोचति, कुञ्चति कुञ्चित) 1 To make crooked, bend or curve. -2 To move or go crookedly. -3 To make small, lessen. -4 To shrink, contract. -5 To go to or towards.

A friend of mine wrote:

"Though I don't get a perfect, exact, precise word for it- I prefer to take it the meaning-wise and express it in the following lines-

( I consulted Apte-  https://www.sanskrit-lexicon.uni-koeln.de/scans/AEScan/2020/web/index.php )

Direction--

1. Tongue - रसना, रसनं, जिह्वा

2. Difficult - असुकर, दुश्चर, कठिन, दुष्कर, दुःसाध्य, कष्ट. 2 गहन, विषम, 

3. pronunciation - उदीरणं speech- वाक्, वचः

So from combining them in different formats- we can have a set of words from which the easiest to say can be chosen.

Words suggested--

रसना-असुगमम् - (असुगमं will ensure that it is not about taste aspect of the tongue but pronunciation aspect)

जिह्वा-दुष्करम्

रसन-दुःसाध्यम् or विषमं etc. 

Caution - Avoid रसना for the deergha might be misleading through the negation of the whole idea.

Suggestions---

We can add the pronunciation/speech if required at the end like-

रसना-असुगमवाक् - 

जिह्वा-दुष्कर-वचनम्

रसन-दुष्करोदीरणम्"

[Priya]

Would रसनारटनम् provide the requisite alliteration? I can't find it in Apte or MW, but doesn't  रटनम् have the sense of repetition as well?

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[Ramanujachar P]

दुरुच्चरः ?

रामानुजः

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[उज्ज्वल राजपूत]

जि॒ह्वा॒जि॒ह्मम् 

जु॒हू॒जो॒हू॒त्रम् challenging to the tongue

[BVK Sastry (G-S-Pop)]

Namaste

 

One more suggestion :

 

-      जिह्वा-वक्रिका  - What causes tongue to turn- twist and roll in curved ways

-      जिह्वा- कुब्जिका -  What causes tongue to  fall in to a deformed shape

-      रसना-भञ्जिका -  Tongue-Taste- Twister and breaker

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

रसना in this context is not apt. It brings tasting aspect to mind whereas it is the pronunciation aspect that is intended here. 

twist need not be translated literally. 

' tongue twisters ' as they are called in English are taken  positively as playful challenges. 

Sri Ujjwal-ji's suggestion brings in that challenging aspect. 

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[Bharat Chandra Dasa]

दुर्वाचकयोग

It is one of the 64 Arts (Catuh Shasti Kala).

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[Mārcis Gasūns]

Yes, I've read about it in Kamasutra, but the dur- part was not so pleasing. So I went for देववाणी-जिह्वाकुञ्चकम् 

[G S S Murthy]

Would कर्कशाक्षरी do?

Regards,

Murthy

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