Bhagvadgeeta Lecture series by Chinmaya Mission in Siri Fort Auditorium Delhi

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Girish Nath Jha

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Oct 28, 2013, 12:33:20 PM10/28/13
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Swami Tejomayananda of Chinmaya Mission is giving a lecture series on Bhagvadgeeta at Siri Fort Auditorium, Delhi during 17-24 Nov. The details of the event are at http://www.chinmayamissiondelhi.org/

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On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:46 AM, <bvpar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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    VKG <vkghan...@gmail.com> Oct 26 06:04PM -0700  

    How about the word Kasturi? This is traditionally used.

     

    "Hnbhat B.R." <hnbh...@gmail.com> Oct 27 08:57AM +0530  

    कस्तूरिकाजननभृता मृगेण किं सेव्यते सुमनसां मनसापि गन्धः।
     
    Here is the word कस्तूरीमृगः ---
     
    कस्तूरी-मृग
     
    (H3) कस्तूरी--मृग [L=46893] m. the musk-deer Comm. on Kum. i , 55.
     
    Are both the same?
     
    The reference to the deer in the commentary on Kumarasambhava:
     
     
    m.rganaabhigandhi - the commentary of Vallabhadeva =
    m.rgaa.naam+kastuurikaa*kura"ngaa.naam*
     
    Is the कस्तूरीमृग known as कुरङ्ग - deer or cat? called civet cat? Or are
    there two animals cat and deer that produce musk = कस्तूरी. Or the same,
    called as cat in English, and Deer in Sanskrit? This seems the base of the
    query though it is not mentioned explicitly.
     
    This is what the English word means as per English Dictionary:
     
    Cat-like mammal typically secreting musk used in perfumes
    civet cat
     
    Here is the Oxford Dictionary Entry for the English word civet:
     
    civet
    Pronunciation: /ˈsɪvɪt/
    noun
    (also civet cat)
    *1a slender nocturnal carnivorous mammal with a barred and spotted coat and
    well-developed anal scent glands, native to Africa and Asia.*
    Family Viverridae (the civet family): several genera and species. The civet
    family also includes the genets, linsang, and fossa, and formerly included
    the mongooses.
    [mass noun] *a strong musky perfume obtained from the secretions of the
    civet’s scent glands.*
     
    2US the ring-tailed cat or cacomistle.
    Origin:
    mid 16th century: from French civette, from Italian zibetto, from medieval
    Latin zibethum, from Arabic zabād, denoting the perfume
     
    I think now it throws some light. ​
    ​
    ​Now, according English dictionaries, civet is native of Africa and Asia.
     
    Now the question is the same sharpened: \
     
    Is it civet and कस्तूरी-मृग are both the same or two different animals and
    if different, both produce the scent or any confusion there?

     

    sadasivamurty rani <ranisada...@yahoo.com> Oct 27 11:47AM +0800  

    Musk is Kasturi. Kasturi Mrga is Musk deer. I have mentioned in my previous reply that the word "Gandha Mrga" is used in two meanings: 1. Civet and 2. Musk deer.
     
     
    Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty
     
     
     
    On Sunday, 27 October 2013 6:34 AM, VKG <vkghan...@gmail.com> wrote:

    How about the word Kasturi? This is traditionally used.
     
     
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    Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> Oct 27 10:28PM +0530  

    Civet is not Musk deer anyway. According to wiki Civets have a broadly
    cat-like general appearance, though the muzzle is extended and often
    pointed, rather like that of an otter or a mongoose.
    ​ Small Indian civets are known to occur in so one can probably get a
    sanskrit equvalent for Small Indian civet.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Indian_Civet​
     
    ​
    Sorry to quote wiki. I thought this might be useful.​
     
    Regards
    Ajit Gargeshwari
    न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
    अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।
     
     
     

     

    sadasivamurty rani <ranisada...@yahoo.com> Oct 28 03:06AM +0800  

    Yes. Exactly the same kind of civets are there on the Tirumala Balaji hills the liquid that flows from these civets used in Upacaras for Sri Balaji. 
     
    Dr. Rani Sadasiva Murty
     
     
     
    On Sunday, 27 October 2013 10:29 PM, Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Civet is not Musk deer anyway. According to wiki Civets have a broadly cat-like general appearance, though the muzzle is extended and often pointed, rather like that of an otter or a mongoose.​ Small Indian civets are known to occur in so one can probably get  a sanskrit equvalent for  Small Indian civet.
     
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Indian_Civet​
     
    ​
    Sorry to quote wiki. I thought this might be useful.​
    Regards
    Ajit Gargeshwari
    न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
    अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।
     
     
     
     
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    Nityanand Misra <nmi...@gmail.com> Oct 27 03:10AM -0700  

    On Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:03:25 AM UTC+8, विश्वासो वासुकेयः wrote:
    >> प्रद्योतस्य प्रियदुहितरं वत्सराजोऽत्र जह्रे ।
    >> Here, the ह्र in जह्रे is not at the beginning of a word. Therefore the
    >> guru is mandatory.
     
    A counter-example (such usage in the middle of the pada) is seen in verse
    813 of the Nārāyaṇīyam.
     
    राज्ञां मध्ये सपदि जह्रिषे मित्रविन्दामवन्तीम्
     
    where ज is to be treated as लघु. Some online versions have the reading
    जहृषे which is incorrect. हृञ् हरणे - आत्मनेपदे - लिटि -
    जह्रे, जह्राते, जह्रिरे. जह्रिषे, जह्राथे, जह्रिध्वे. जह्रे, जह्रिवहे,
    जह्रिमहे. The edition by T Ganapati Sastri has the right reading (attached).
     
    Also see the footnotes in the attached commentary on the Sutra गन्ते
    (पि.सू. १/१०) of Chandah Shastra edition of NSP (Kavyamala Series 91).
    Especially note the citations -
     
    वर्णो गुरुर्मतो ह्रेप्रे पादान्ते चापि वा लघुः (छन्दःकौस्तुभे)
    यदा तीव्रप्रयत्नेन संयोगादेरगौरवम्
    न च्छन्दोभङ्गमप्याहुस्तदा दोषाय सूरयः (छन्दःप्रकाशे)
    यदि हि युक्तपरः श्रममन्तरा लघुरपि प्रभवेच्चरणान्तरा (?)
    अणु वदन्ति न वृत्तविदूषणं तमथ भूषणमेव मनीषिणः (वृत्तप्रत्ययकौमुद्याम्)
     
    Needless to say, these are not universally agreed upon. The purists' view
    is to treat all संयोगपर as गुरु, as Shatavadhani Ganesh Ji does. The other
    view is that they can be optionally लघु if the effort in pronunciation of
    the conjunct is quick (तीव्रप्रयत्नेन) or with less effort (श्रममन्तरा).
    Examples of both views are seen in middle-age and modern Samskrita poetry.

     

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