Jambu-dweepa

[Swaroop Sharma]

Namaste,

Esteemed friends, please explain me the concept Jambu-Dweepa?

Some consider it to be part of Asia or some say it is restricted to India. While there are others who say Asia and India is itself Jambu-Dweepa. I will be happy if someone can provide me a reference to the term in Ramayana and Mahabharata :-)

Where can we abundantly find the Jambu-vriksha?

Dhanyavad

Swaroop.R. M.A., M.S.
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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

The puranas have divided the world into seven part called Dvipas and Jambudvipa is the first and the foremost which again divided into nine sub parts called Varshas. Of the nine Varshas Ilavrritta is the main sub part. South Ilavrritta and beyond the Himalayas is situated the Bhartavarsha. Bhartavarsha is again divided into nine parts. Among the nine parts Kumaradvipa is India proper. It is said to extend from Kumari ie. Kanya Kumari in the south to Gangas in the north. Possibly other subdivision represented Islands in Indonasia, Indo-China and Srilanka. Accordingly Bhartavarsha seems to have represented Graeter Indian than Proper India.

One can also see Naishdhiya charita 1.5 and Bhagavata Purana 5.1.32
One can read Indian and Jambu Island by Amarnath Das.

Please also see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambudvipa

http://truthdisclosed.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/jambudwipa-india-or-ancient-bharata/

http://vedabase.net/sb/5/16/en1

Slightly varying accounts are given in different Puranas such as Matsya, Brahma, Vishnu punana etc.

In Buddhist literature Indian has been called Jambudvipa and portions of it Aryadesha and Madhyadesha. One of the other names found in Buddhist literature is Indravardhana (On Yuan Chwang Travels in India) but the name doesn't appear to be popular as no puranic literature supports such a view.

Jambudviapa is one of the four Mahadipas or great continents included in the Chakkvati and are ruled by Chakkavati. They are grouped around Mount Sineru. In Jambudvipa is Himavat with its 84,00 peaks, it lake mountain etc The continent derives it name from Jambu tree also called Naga which grows there. It is said that the Buddhas and Chakkavati's are born in Jambudvipa as opposed to Sikaladipa. Jambudvipa indicated the sub continent of India.

Bharatavarsha according to Jaina traditions is one of the several regions situated in the Jambu divva and also know as Bharath or Baraha;  whereas according to Buddhist tradition Jambudvipa was synonymous to Bhartavarsha.


Please use these links to search for the Jambu-Dvipa in Ramayana and Mahabharata

http://ancientvoice.wikidot.com/

http://kjc-fs-cluster.kjc.uni-heidelberg.de/dcs/index.php


Please also see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambudvipa

http://truthdisclosed.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/jambudwipa-india-or-ancient-bharata/

http://vedabase.net/sb/5/16/en1

Jambu Tree is a mythical tree according to both puranic and Buddhist tradition.  According Bhagavata the tree bore fruit throughout the year and the size of the fruit is that of an elephant.

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

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[narayanan er]

Sir,

Jambuvriksha is Jambul (Syzygium cumini) is common in India. It belongs to the plant Kingdom: Plantae , order: Myrtales, Family: Myrtaceae, in the genus of Syzygium.

It is famous among right across South India, Maharashtra. It is plentiful in Bihar, Bengal and Assam etc. A fairly fast growing species, it can reach heights of up to 30 m and can live more than 100 years. Its dense foliage provides shade and is grown just for its ornamental value. The wood is strong and is water resistant. Because of this it is used in railway sleepers and to install motors in wells. It is sometimes used to make cheap furniture and village dwellings though it is relatively hard to work on. Jambul trees start flowering from March to April. The flowers of jambul are fragrant and small, about 5 mm in diameter. The fruits develop by May or June and resemble large berries. The fruit is oblong, ovoid, starts green and turns pink to shining crimson black as it matures. A variant of the tree produces white coloured fruit. The fruit has a combination of sweet, mildly sour and astringent flavour and tends to colour the tongue purple. The seed is also used in various alternative healing systems like Ayurveda to control diabetes.

I will attach a copy of pictures along with this mail (please see Jambu.pdf.383KB)

The Natyashastra speaks about Jambudvipa (see chapter1 जम्बुद्वीपे समाक्रान्ते लोके सुखितदुःखिते.......)

We have a bit of quotations from the Puranas as well as from Jyotisha text:

१. जम्बुद्वीपे चतुर्बाहुं कुशद्वीपे कुशेशयम्।
प्लक्षद्विपे मुनिश्रेष्ठ ख्यातं गरुडवाहनम्।। ९०.३२ (वामनमहापुराणम्-नवतितमोऽध्यायः)
२. सूत उवाच।
    शाकद्वीपस्य वक्ष्यामि यथावदिह निश्चयम्।
    कथ्यमानं निबोधध्वं शाकद्वीपं द्विजोत्तमाः॥
    जम्बुद्वीपस्य विस्तराद्द्विगुणस्तस्य विस्तरः।
    विस्ताराद्द्विगुणश्चापि परिणाहः समन्ततः॥ (मात्स्ये महापुराणे-१०२ अध्यायः॥)
३. जम्बुवृक्षयुक्तो द्वीपः। पृथिव्याः सप्तद्वीपान्तर्गतद्वीपविशेषः। अयं द्वीपः पद्मकोषमध्यवर्तिकोष इव लक्षयोजनविस्तीर्णः पद्मपत्र इवि समवर्तुलः लक्षयोजनविस्ततलवणसमुद्रेण वेष्टितः। जम्बुद्वीपस्य अष्टौ उपद्वीपाः सन्ति सगरात्मजैरश्वान्नेषणे इमां महीं परितो निखनद्भिरुपकल्पिताः। तद्यथा स्वर्णप्रस्थः चन्द्रशक्तः आवर्तनः रमणकः मन्दहरिणः पाञ्चजन्यः सिंहलः लङ्का इति। श्रीभागवते। ५। १६ अध्याये। तथा च मार्कण्डेये ५४ अध्याये मात्स्ये ११२ अध्याये च द्रष्टव्यम्॥ ज्योतिःशास्त्रमते लवणसमुद्रस्योत्तरे जम्बुद्वीपः। स तु भूम्यर्द्धभागः। तस्य दक्षिणेद्वितीयार्द्धभागे द्वीपषट्कस्य सप्तसमुद्रस्य च निवेशः। अवलम्बः सिद्धान्तशिरोमणिः॥

Narayanan

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From: Swaroop Sharma <swaroop...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Jambu-dweepa

[V Subrahmanian]

I think जम्बूद्वीपः, जम्बूफलम् are also correct usages.

कपित्थजम्बूफलसारभक्षितम्..

subrahmanian.v

2012/6/15 narayanan er <drerna...@yahoo.com>

Sir,

The Natyashastra speaks about Jambudvipa (see chapter1 जम्बुद्वीपे समाक्रान्ते लोके सुखितदुःखिते.......)

We have a bit of quotations from the Puranas as well as from Jyotisha text:

[Swaroop Sharma]

Dhanyavad Narayan-ji :-)

Your mail was helpful :-)

Swaroop.R. M.A., M.S.
Research Scholar, DOS in Psychology, University of Mysore.
#200, 'Shree Rajarajeshwari' 10th B Cross J.P.Nagar I Phase, Bangalore-78
09742164232, 080-22444504
http://www.gods-own-handwriting.blogspot.com/

2012/6/15 narayanan er <drerna...@yahoo.com>

[Swaroop Sharma]

Namaskara

DhanyavaadaaH to Ajit-ji :-)

What is the significance of these seven divisions of the of the world? As we during our Sankalpa say Jampbudweepe Etc.,  is there a place somewhere on earth, wherein during Sankalpa, we can use other names of the remaining six Dweepas? Can you help me by enlisting the names of the other Varshas, in case it is readily available? I am curious to know the structure or the kind of geographical imagination our ancestors had :-) 

Swaroop.R. M.A., M.S.
Research Scholar, DOS in Psychology, University of Mysore.
#200, 'Shree Rajarajeshwari' 10th B Cross J.P.Nagar I Phase, Bangalore-78
09742164232, 080-22444504
http://www.gods-own-handwriting.blogspot.com/

[narayanan er]

पुँल्लिङ्गे जम्बूद्वीपः, जम्बुद्वीपः इति च द्वीपविशेषः। पुँल्लिङ्गे  जम्बूवृक्षः, जम्बुवृक्षः इति च वृक्षविशेषः। नपुंसकलिङ्गे जम्बूफलं, जम्बुफलं इति च फलविशेषः।

जम्बुः इति उकारान्तः स्त्रीलिङ्गः। जम्बूः इति ऊकारान्तः स्त्रीलिङ्गः। जम्यते भक्ष्यते इति। जमु अदने इति धातोः अन्दूदृन्फूजम्ब्विति इति उणादिसूत्रेण (१.९५)  इति कूः।

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From: V Subrahmanian <v.subra...@gmail.com>
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Cc: BHARATIYA VIDVAT <bvpar...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Jambu-dweepa

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

The puranas have divided the world into seven part called Dvipas and Jambudvipa is the first and the foremost which again divided into nine sub parts called Varshas.

The seven Dvipas are Plaksa , Salmala, Kusa ,Kraucha,Jambu Saka and Puskara

The varshas are also named as Ketumal, bhadravarsha, Kuru Hirnmaya, Ramyaka, Ilavrata, Hari, Kimpurusha and Bharatavarsha

Bharath Varshas is divided into nine parts Indradvipa, Kasaru (or Kaseruman),  Namraparva (or tamravarna, Tamrapani, Tamradvipa), Gabhistiman, Nagadvipa Samaya or (Krtahatia), Gandharva, Or Sinhala(ceylon), Varuna and Kumaradvipa or Kumaridvipa.

Please refer to different Puranas for different classification and naming methods.

According to Jainism the names of the eight continents starting from Jambudvipa outwards Jambudvipa, Dhataki, Pushkarvara, Varunivara, Kshiravara, Grhitavara, Ikshuvara and Nandiswara


Please see  Vedic Cosmography And Astronomy By Richard L. Thompson

http://tinyurl.com/cx9wps4

Is there a place somewhere on earth, wherein during Sankalpa, we can use other names of the remaining six Dweepas?

I don't wish to comment on this

As to the significance if one reads the puranas it will become quite clear


Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

The puranas have divided the world into seven part called Dvipas and Jambudvipa is the first and the foremost which again divided into nine sub parts called Varshas.

The seven Dvipas are Plaksa , Salmala, Kusa ,Kraucha,Jambu Saka and Puskara

The varshas are also named as Ketumal, bhadravarsha, Kuru Hirnmaya, Ramyaka, Ilavrata, Hari, Kimpurusha and Bharatavarsha

Bharath Varshas is divided into nine parts Indradvipa, Kasaru (or Kaseruman),  Namraparva (or tamravarna, Tamrapani, Tamradvipa), Gabhistiman, Nagadvipa Samaya or (Krtahatia), Gandharva, Or Sinhala(ceylon), Varuna and Kumaradvipa or Kumaridvipa.

Please refer to different Puranas for different classification and naming methods.

According to Jainism the names of the eight continents starting from Jambudvipa outwards Jambudvipa, Dhataki, Pushkarvara, Varunivara, Kshiravara, Grhitavara, Ikshuvara and Nandiswara


Please see  Vedic Cosmography And Astronomy By Richard L. Thompson

http://tinyurl.com/cx9wps4

Is there a place somewhere on earth, wherein during Sankalpa, we can use other names of the remaining six Dweepas?

I don't wish to comment on this

As to the significance if one reads the puranas it will become quite clear

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

[Hnbhat B.R.]

Here is one more reference wep page:

http://shiva.iiit.ac.in/SabdaSaarasvataSarvasvam/index.php/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B7%E0%A4%AE%E0%A5%8D 

to the concept of वर्ष-s.

To the question of Swaroop, the answer is dependent on whether one takes the geographical description of वर्ष-s as realistic and corresponding to the modern geographic google world map or with the identified continents today or consider them as fancy imaginary description.  

I also agree with Ajith's answer and opt not to comment on it.

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[Hnbhat B.R.]

Here is the particular description from different sources of जम्बूद्वीप:

http://shiva.iiit.ac.in/SabdaSaarasvataSarvasvam/iजम्बूद्वीपः 

[L N Gowtham Sarma Mahamkali]

Which name for which continent?

[Rishi Goswami]

Jambudweepa is entire Eurasia.
Starting from Bharatavarsha in the south it extends upto Uttarakuru in the north and from Ketumal in the west of Ilavrita, it extends upto Bhadrashva in the east.
It's like in ascending order a rainbow shaped Varsha that makes up the entire dweepa.
Bharata, Kimpurusha, Hari, Ilavrita. West of Ilavrita (probably Ilavrita is modern day mongolia, as Ilavrit is the centre of jambudweepa) - Ketumala. and east of Ilavrita is Bhadrashva. Ketumal is modern day Europe.
North of Ilavrita is Ramyaka, Hiranmaya and Uttarakuru.

Shalmala is central and northen africa - as its on west if Jambudweepa. I'm certain because in The Garga Samhita, when sage Pulatsya brings Drona's son Govardhan to Vraj, he brings him from Shalmala Dweepa, which lies in the west.

Plaksha is South Africa as it means peepal and south of africa has plaksha trees.

Shaka is Australia newzealand etc. As shaka means pine tree and there is abundance of pine in Aus.

Pushkara - maple tree is North America.

Kusha and Krauncha, I'm not sure of. Maybe Krauncha can be related to Kartikeya/Parashurama somehow. And it's probably North America and Pushkars can be south of it.

I'm really not sure of how it would work.
This is a question that has tormented me alot.

[L N Gowtham Sarma Mahamkali]

Very thank you rishi ji
I found a world map with these names at tirumala tirupati some where at library or museum which I took a photograph and unfortunately I lost it long ago.

[Rishi Goswami]

Thankyou. I hope to see it sometime in my life. And also, the I want to see a picture, an ancient depiction of the Virata Swarupa according to Puranas description.