Information on Gita
Rajasi Chakrabarti
I have a little query regarding background of the ancient text of the sacred Gita. It is widely known the Gita is actually a part of Mahabharata consisting of the teachings of Shri Krishna to Arjuna before the battle of Kurukshetra. Gradually, with time, the Gita began to be considered a separate text from the Mahabharata.
I would like to know the time period from when this change took place and gained prominence. I would also like to know where this convention, of considering the Gita as a separate text, was practiced in the early stages. Was there any sort of contribution of any philosophical school or any particular sect of Hinduism to this particular occurrence? Was it patronised by any ruler/dynasty during that period when the change took place??
I would like to know if anyone has ever worked on this topic. I would also like to know some books/links which can provide me with information regarding this topic.
Regards,
Rajasi Chakrabarti,
Dept. of Translation Studies,
EFL University, Hyderabad.
BVP Misra
Can you please enlighten me when did the battle of Kurukshetra take place?
Eagerly waiting for your reply,
D D Misra
At 3 Sep 2011 19:16:26 +0000 (UTC) from Rajasi Chakrabarti <raja...@gmail.com>:
narayanan er
The term kali in Sanskrit is used to indicate battle. Kali is an era too, for a period of 432000 years.
The Rajatarangini says: The kins of Kuru and Pandu were born after 653 years past of the Kali era.
शतेषु षट्सु सार्द्धेषु त्र्यधिकेषु च भूतले।
कलेर्गतेषु वर्षाणामभवन् कुरुपाण्डवाः॥ (The Rajatarangini.1.51).
So, it nears the year of battle. But there should be a kalidinasankhyaa of the start of the battle. Could it be traced from the Mahabharata?
Narayanan
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Subject: RE: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Information on Gita
अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)
BVP Misra
Thanks for the trouble you have taken to answer; but I could not understand it. Is it possible to state the year in BC or AD (Christian era)? What is the current year (2011 AD) in Kali yuga?
Eagerly waiting for your reply,
D D Misra
At 6 Sep 2011 06:51:49 +0000 (UTC) from narayanan er <drerna...@yahoo.com>:
Dr. Tirumala Kulakarni
Can you please enlighten me when did the battle of Kurukshetra take place?
Eagerly waiting for your reply,
Some time back I had searched in web for Mahabharata time/Mahabharata battle time and got very good, informative links.
TK
D D Misra
Dr. Tirumala Kulakarni
Asst. Prof. Alankara Dept.
Poornaprajna Vidyaapeetha
Vidyapeetha Circle
BANGALORE 560 028
narayanan er
I have referred the Sabdakalpadruma and it quotes an aarya verse from the Rajatarangini as follows:
आसन् मघासु मुनयः
शासति पृथ्वीं युधिष्ठिरे नृपतौ।
षड्द्विपञ्चद्वियुतश्च
शककालस्तस्य च राज्यस्य''॥ (रा.त.१.५६)
Then, there is an explanation as follows: ऋतुपक्षशरद्विमितेषु (२५२६) युधिष्ठिराब्देषु कलेर्ग्रहसिन्ध्विन्दुनेत्रमितेषु (३१७९) वत्सरेषु गतेषु च महाविषुवसंक्रान्त्यां शालिवाहनस्य राज्ञो जन्मदिनमारभ्य शकाब्दः प्रवर्तितः।
The explanation also says: कलेरेकोर्द्धशताधिकत्रिसहस्रपरिमितेषु (३१०१) वत्सरेषु गतेषु प्रायशः सौरपौषस्य अष्टादशदिवसे यीशुख्रीष्टीयाब्दः प्रचलितः॥ (यीशुख्रीष्ट =Jesus Christos???) (यीशुख्रीष्टीयाब्दः= Anno Duminy???)
If we believe such explanations (not sure but for a little extent-प्रायशः), then Christian era could be 3101+2011=5112.
So, we have Yudhishthira era, Saka era and Christian era. There is Kollam era (कोळम्बाब्दम्) in Kerala, following Malayalam almanac year which is 1187, i.e. 824 years minus to Christian year 2011.
Today is Chovva (Tuesday), 20th Chingam, 1187; ie. Tuesday, 6th September, 2011.
With a view to believing that Sankaracharya was born on the year 824 A.D. It is heard to be the Kollam era is starting since by birth of Sankaracharya.
Narayanan
Subject: RE: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Information on Gita
Kannan Saketham
Thanks for valuable discussion.
Narayanan Nampoothiri N T
Research scholar
Dept. P.Jyothisham
RSVP Tirupati
Usha Rani
Namaste
Here is a blogspot of Dr. Saroj Bala who is working on Datings of Ramayana and Mahabharata according to a latest developed software on Planetary Positions.
For further details about her research -please visit her blogspot.
Here is more information on the dating of Mahabharata subject.
I had attended a seminar on Vedic Sciences held in SV University, Tirupati, and heard her live. They also published a small booklet on her findings, along with the pictures from the software indicating the planetary positions that was distributed free of cost in the seminar.
May be this will be helpful.
-budha jana vidheya-
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BVP Misra
Dear Dr. Narayanan,
Thanks for all the trouble you have taken to clarify my doubt. In the Panchanga (of Orissa) we find the current (financial) year to be 5113rd year of Kaliyuga. (I suppose the difference of one year from 5112 stated by you is insignificant for such a long period).
Accordingly the Kurkshetra battle of Mahabharata, which took place 36 years before the beginning of Kaliyuga, was in the year 3138 B.C.
Will you please confirm if this is correct?
Regards.
Yours truly,
D D Misra
At 6 Sep 2011 12:50:03 +0000 (UTC) from narayanan er <drerna...@yahoo.com>:
Respected Sir,
Shrisha Rao
> Respected Sir,
> The term kali in Sanskrit is used to indicate battle. Kali is an era too, for a period of 432000 years.
> The Rajatarangini says: The kins of Kuru and Pandu were born after 653 years past of the Kali era.
> शतेषु षट्सु सार्द्धेषु त्र्यधिकेषु च भूतले।
> कलेर्गतेषु वर्षाणामभवन् कुरुपाण्डवाः॥ (The Rajatarangini.1.51).
I am not sure that is the meaning; it is quite well known and established that the Pandavas existed in the द्वापर, while the Kauravas were wiped out in the war itself, dated at 3138 BCE, the Pandavas departed at the start of the कलियुग, 36 years later in 3102 BCE.
This verse seems to say that the race of the Kurus/Pandavas existed for 653 years of the Kali era.
It can be related to the following, from the महाभारततात्पर्यनिर्णय of Madhva (I haven't looked up the original reference in the महाभारत, but it should be there somewhere, esp. in the Southern text):
तमाह भगवान् कृष्णो यावत् पाण्डवसन्ततिः |
तावन्न ते भवेच्छक्तिः प्रवृत्तस्यापि भूतळे || ३०.४२ ||
पाण्डवेभ्यः परं यावत् क्षेमकः क्रमवर्द्धिता |
क्षेमकात् परतः पूर्तिं शक्तिस्ते यास्यति ध्रुवम् || ३०.४३ ||
Here Kali is addressed saying that as long as the descendants of the Pandavas exist in the world, he, Kali, would not have (full) strength though he would be in action (for it is his age). His strength would gradually increase, and upon the end of the Pandava dynasty after Kshemaka (the final descendant of Parikshit, Janamejaya, etc., who died without leaving a successor), Kali would certainly gain full strength.
Thus, we may infer that the first 653 years of the Kali Yuga were benign, when the full power of evil had not taken hold.
Regards,
Shrisha Rao
> So, it nears the year of battle. But there should be a kalidinasankhyaa of the start of the battle. Could it be traced from the Mahabharata?
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> Regards,
> Narayanan
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