How to increase Sanskrit influence on Hindi and other languages

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Respected Scholars

It is not possible to expect Sanskrit will replace Hindi and other languages. But we can try to increase Sanskrit influence on Indian Languages. The sad story is Sanskrit influence on other languages has decreased. Many people said 'Sanskrit is not a dead language. It is living because of the influence on Hindi and other languages. Many words borrowed from Sanskrit are regularly used in them'. But is this true today?

Hindi is taught in schools is Pure Hindi. It is very pleasing to hear.  But Hindi in TV programmes, Bollywood films, and sports commentary  is very heavily mixed with Urdu. Bollywood Hindi is highly corrupted with maximum Urdu words. Some examples. They are saying not मनुष्य but शख्स or मर्द, not स्त्री but औरत, Not चिन्ता but फिक्र, Not इस के अनुसार but इस के मुताबिक, Not लगभग or अधिकोन but तक्रीबन, Not प्रतियोगिता but मुकाबला, Not कला but हुनर, Not संबंध but ताल्लुक, Not शरीर but  जिस्म, Not प्रेम but मुहब्बत or इश्क, Not भगवान but खुदा and many many more examples. In even cricket commentary they are saying not सुन्दर shot but खूबसूरत shot, Not दुरुत्तर गेंद  but लाजवाब गेंद, Not निर्णय but फैसला, Not score अर्जित करना but score हासिल करना, Not विशेषतः  but खास तौर पर, Not धन्यवाद but शुक्रिया and many more.

If you watch some old Hindi social drama films you can hear less Urdu words mixed in Hindi.  But nowadays films have high percentage. The Trend is Increasing influence of Urdu on Hindi and Decreasing influence of Sanskrit.

Why this stepmotherly treatment for Sanskrit Bhasha in her own land? It is sad to hear Indian Languages being invaded by Mleccha Bhasha words. It is sad many large organizations are ready to go on strike for small matters but they are ignoring harm done to Sanskrit influence.

One person I know working in TV station told they want to increase Urdu words because they want people in Muslim countries to watch TV programmes. One more reason may be Muslim population in India after independence has very much increased. In many areas in UP, Bihar, Bengal and others it may be more than 25%. In Mumbai it is 25%. The TV stations want more and more viewers.

In South India also I heard Malayalam had very high percentage of Sanskrit words but modern language has much less percentage. In South there is danger of heavy influence of English in languages.

Why fight for using Sanskrit words? Because behind word is the meaning of the word and behind the meaning of the word is the Culture. If we lose the words of Sanskrit in local languages we are losing Indian Culture.

I am requesting scholars to kindly think how to increase Sanskrit Influence.

Regards

-Venkatesh

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Revised

Respected Scholars

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers_in_India
Number of Hindi speakers in 2001 census - 422,048,642
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit
Number of fluent Sanskrit speakers in 1991 - 49,736.  In 2001 - 14,135

[narayanan er]

Dear Dr. Murthy,
*Increasing Sanskrit Influence in society is certainly a collective task ahead for many years.
*How many Sanskrit words are there in Tamil to harm Indian culture? as Brahmins from Chennai chant Vedic Hymns correctly and speak Tamil too.
*Vedic and Classical culture of Sanskrit could be maintained even by 2% of the population of the universe, chiefly by the Indians, and we never expected that to be done by the Ghansnabis, Mughals and then the East India Company.
*Traditional learning, revision, maintanance and propagation of Sanskrit will boost its strenghth to the next generation too. No English, Urdu films can tamper Sanskrit. Having Sanskrit has the tool, why Kalidasa et al use various types Prakrit-s in their plays? Did it harm Sanskrit? Bhasa wrote in his Karnabhara: भो कण्ण, सुय्ये विअ चन्दे विअ सागळे विअ हिमवन्ते विअ चिट्ठदु दे जसो। But why not: भोः कर्ण, सूर्य इव चन्द्र इव सागर इव हिमवतीव तिष्टतु ते यशः।
*It is right that all dialects of Indian states are manipulated with English terms since the East India Company regime, and currently many English terms are used, but it is not easy to substitute them with Sanskrit terminology.
*Minority Vote Bank politics also cannot harm Sanskrit and culture. It will be extremely difficult to make laws to ban uttering Vedic mantras and Sanskrit verses, or to ban speaking Sanskrit. But any goverment in India has to support Sanskrit and culture if they need to rule. Because we have the instances of the Ghansnabis, Mughals and then the East India Company failed to wipe out Sanskrit and culture in India.
*Now regarding Malayalam, Sanskrit nouns were adopted in literature as substitutes to Tamil, but verbs are maintained as in Tamil.
*The Hindi suffixes like का को से पर में are Urdu and then affixed either to a Sanskrit प्रातिपदिकम् or an Urdu stem. But culture is beyond this, according to generation choice, as whether you one go with the Mughals or the Brahmanic Traditions. So if one delivers: वज़ीर-ए-आज़्म के एलानों के मुताबिक instead of प्रधानमन्त्री के निर्णय के अनुसार and many people across the world listening, nothing can harm Sanskrit and culture. Because, I believe that even if one prefer to speak: प्रधानमन्त्री के निर्णय के अनुसार he does not propagate Sanskrit and culture until and unless he practices Sandhyavandana and read the original Sanskrit portions from Vedic and Classical. Original, original only.
*So why we worry unnecessarily? Still we can propagate Vedas, Classics and culture right among the Indians through out the world.
*Vedas, Classics and culture are not that fragile that it could be eradicated by the mlecha groups in any era. तेऽसुरा हेलय हेलय इति पराबभूवुः।
* But the reals threat will be if 2% of the selected Indian population neglect Sanskrit, Vedas and culture, it will be self harmed, but it is not going to happen, because when virtue prevails, the numbers are not counted.
*So, Sir, lets us learn, teach and propagate to the best of our capacity.
Regards,
Narayanan 

[Nityanand Misra]

On Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:59:40 PM UTC+8, Venkatesh Murthy wrote:

Respected Scholars

I am requesting scholars to kindly think how to increase Sanskrit Influence.

Regards

Bollywood has a significant presence of Punjabis and Muslims so it is not unexpected that Punjabi/Urdu/Persian terms are used in songs, movie titles, etc. Punjabi and Urdu have borrowed many words from each other. The Guru Granth Sahib has words like Khuda, Allah and Rahim for God, both in the compositions of Kabir, Farid, etc and those of the ten Gurus. Plus as you have said mid-east market also plays a big role.

As for cricket commentary, not many people care about what Ramiz Raja speaks. Seriously.

What's more concerning is that the news media is now using increasing number of English terms. Here are this week's reports from four news sources where the headlines use గ్యాంగ్ రేప్‌‌, ಗ್ಯಾಂಗ್ ರೇಪ್, ગેંગ રેપ, or गैंगरेप instead of सामूहिक बलात्कार (also widely understood) or the euphemistic सामूहिक दुष्कर्म.
http://telugu.webdunia.com/newsworld/news/national/1303/11/1130311003_1.htm
http://kannada.oneindia.in/news/2013/03/11/india-delhi-gangrape-accused-commits-suicide-072175.html
http://gujarati.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/18906736.cms
http://aajtak.intoday.in/story/delhi-gang-rape-accused-ram-singh-commits-suicide-1-724133.html

Its the 24/7 breaking news media and social media (Remeber "Why This Kolaveri Di") which has a much larger impact on the young population of the country. Social media and students in metropolitan cities largly prefer English or Hinglish/Gujlish/Tanglish et cetera.

But as Dr. Narayanan has said, we need a few motivated people to preserve Sanskrit and her daughters.

[Greycell Physicists]

Indians follow a different path known as Sanskritization ( M N Srinivas proposed this http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/03/world/m-n-srinivas-is-dead-at-83-studied-india-s-caste-system.html ), i.e, when a Non-Brahmin family prospers, apart from becoming modern(western), they start speaking about Dharma, Karma, similar concepts.

A best examples are
http://www.authoramish.com/shiva_trilogy.html
http://www.flipkart.com/the-krishna-key/p/itmdayz59gtzmq22
https://www.youtube.com/channel/SWrqZ5FxMlZO8 Devon Ke Dev... Mahadev

Two authors Ashwin & Amish have digged our past and come with books which have been popular like Bollywood cinemas http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/lZ6T9wr4M0Mnmmk1aFnZ5K/Amish-Tripathi--The-sound-of-money.html

Amish the author on Shiva is paid 5 crores for his next book

Dev Mahadev is creating waves across the world. We Indian youth want an unique Identity for that's why these books & serials have become so popular.

I requests Linguists to study popular culture, understand society, do a Purva Paksh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-XdG6v-RWk ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmbYnYYpa6g

Come out with words, books & others which will connect us to our rich society.

Pranaam

Akshay

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[Nityanand Misra]

On Thursday, March 21, 2013 2:01:14 AM UTC+8, Akshay wrote:

Indians follow a different path known as Sanskritization ( M N Srinivas proposed this http://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/03/world/m-n-srinivas-is-dead-at-83-studied-india-s-caste-system.html ), i.e, when a Non-Brahmin family prospers, apart from becoming modern(western), they start speaking about Dharma, Karma, similar concepts.

A best examples are
http://www.authoramish.com/shiva_trilogy.html

The last I checked Tripathi was a Brahmin surname.
 

Two authors Ashwin & Amish have digged our past and come with books which have been popular like Bollywood cinemas http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/lZ6T9wr4M0Mnmmk1aFnZ5K/Amish-Tripathi--The-sound-of-money.html

Amish the author on Shiva is paid 5 crores for his next book

And the point being?
 

Dev Mahadev is creating waves across the world. We Indian youth want an unique Identity for that's why these books & serials have become so popular.

I requests Linguists to study popular culture, understand society, do a Purva Paksh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-XdG6v-RWk ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmbYnYYpa6g

Come out with words, books & others which will connect us to our rich society.

If we are looking for bestsellers to connect to our rich society, we are looking at the wrong place.
 

Pranaam

Akshay

[Greycell Physicists]

Mahoday,

I meant like this, Scholars are not producing works which will connect us to our society, if produced people are unable access. So public is relying on bestsellers to connect

I didn't point on tripati's brahmin backgroud, but his readers & audience, who are diverse including christians, delhi never had readers, now many youth are reading books. If scholars whose works are always authentic write books or connect with society, Sanskritization will happen in a large scale.

Pranaam

Akshay

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

Dev Mahadev is a Mythological story. The Hindi is Shuddha Hindi with lot of Sanskrit words. It is enjoyable.

But if you watch other TV programmes the disturbing news is there will be lot of Urdu words mixed in Hindi. It is not good. The DD channel is also not using Pure Hindi.
It is difficult to hear pure Hindi anywhere. If people want to listen to Urdu they have Urdu channels but there are no Pure Hindi channels for us.

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

It is difficult to hear pure Hindi anywhere. If people want to listen to Urdu they have Urdu channels but there are no Pure Hindi channels for us.

What do you mean by Pure Hindi please define. Hindi language has several dialects and regional variations.

TV Hindi is not meant for only Sanskrit knowing Hindi people or Hindi knowing Sanskrit people why  worry about Hindi?

Are we concerned in this Group with Sanskrit or Hindi?

Why does one need to increase Sanskrit Influence on any other Language I fail to understand. Its influence is a well established facts on all Indian languages


Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

[Sharad Mistry]

Hari Om!

Everything that is created even by GOD, has its own unique significance, purpose, utility... and Dharma
So, if GOD has to prove the importance of a product for its existence in the Cosmos, Universe, on the Earth and in the life of Man, then it much more important for Man to find out the importance of the Sanskrit language in these current and oncoming times.

There are around 7,000 languages in the world today.
In Bharat-India, there are over 22 official languages, and around 2,000 dialects in 28 States, seven union territories
And the Sanskrit language is competing with these complex maze of languages and dialects
- both within Bharat-India and the world.

The reality of its significance in these dumbing-down materialistic times is revealed thus

Source - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers_in_India
Number of Hindi speakers in 2001 census - 422,048,642
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit
Number of fluent Sanskrit speakers in 1991 - 49,736.  In 2001 - 14,135

Therefore, the most important and vital question the lovers of Sanskrit should ask is this:
1. What specific significance, purpose, utility and Dharma does Sanskrit have for these current and oncoming times?

In marketing parlance, a product should have a reasonably good balance between the 'PUSH' (of the makers/marketers) & 'PULL'
(the demand from / by the consumers, users).

The socio-economic-political demands and the needs of the current times are vastly different from those earlier times when Sanskrit had divine, formidable utility in the society - within the country and outside. Also, there were small-medium-big groups (including the kings/politicians of those times) that were benefited by the Sanskrit language and so were happy to promote it too.

There are competing languages - English, Mandarin and now increasingly Urdu / Islamic language - that over the past few centuries / decades have carved out their own place on the global arena serving the needs of the peoples of the times. The current times therefore, call upon the lovers of Sanskrit to seriously focus their individual and collective thoughts on the prime question -
1. What specific significance, purpose, utility and Dharma does Sanskrit have for these current and oncoming times?

Sincere and focused debate on this one question - both on and off the internet - could possibly bring out some practical and effective answer to this question which possibly could help us think further.

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[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste Scholars

The Main Point I am making is understandable by reading  'Though because of large common vocabulary it may sound that only transliteration can help to overcome the language barrier between Urdu and Hindi, the tendency of Urdu to use words from Persian and Arabic origin, and the tendency of Hindi to use words of Sanskrit origin, call for the use of proper Machine Translation System' - sanskrit.uohyd.ernet.in/faculty/amba/.../urdu-hindi-urdu.doc

The BELIEF is Hindi and Urdu have common words but Hindi has Sanskrit words. Urdu has Persian and Arabic Words.

But this BELIEF is becoming False Belief. Very High Percentage of Persian and Arabic Words are IMPORTED wholesale into Hindi and Sanskrit words are Not Used. If there is a choice between Urdu Origin word and Sanskrit word Sanskrit is losing the battle. In TV programmes and films,  nobody is saying Prem but everybody is saying Muhabbat, Ishq and other Imported words. I have given many examples in the first email. Kindly see.

It is disturbing to hear Persian and Arabic words mixed with Hindi. It is not Pure Hindi.

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Regards

 

-Venkatesh

[Shrikant Jamadagni]

Dear Venkatesh, I entirely agree with you. What your are saying applies more to 'Hindi' used on TV channels. Some of the presenters are more guilty than others of using Urdu. Just imagine if native English speakers were to use French words in the same percentage in every sentence. Would the language be still called English? This forum is also the right forum to present these views because only a Sanskrit knower/speaker can inform Hindi speakers about the collosal loss that will happen by Sanskrit giving way to Urdu. I dont think this point needs elaboration in this forum. But then again gataa-anugatiko hi lokah regards Shrikant Jamadagni Bangalore --- On Wed, 27/3/13, Venkatesh Murthy <vmur...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Nityanand Misra]

On Monday, April 22, 2013 11:18:23 PM UTC+8, Venkatesh Murthy wrote:

Namaste

Thank you. Sanskrit has big influence on Indian Languages. But largest number of speakers are in Hindi. This is 42 Crores.

Dangerous thing is there is a BIG import happening in Hindi. Many Sanskrit origin words are Not used but imported Persian and Arabic words are used in TV and Films media. Pure Hindi is not used. This is very disturbing.

Bollywood, TV and news channels are only interested in money and not in Dharma/Samskaras/Samskrti. Do we expect anything good from them? Their khichdi of Hindi-Urdu-Persian-Mumbaiyya-English fills their coffers, so why should they care about how Jaishankar Prasad, Suryakant Tripathi Nirala, or Atal Behari Vajpayee spoke Hindi? Then we have intellectuals like Katju harping on some non-existent concepts like Sanskrit-Urdu culture [sic].

We cannot expect anything from mercenaries in this regard. We can follow the Puranic advice न वदेद्यावनीं भाषां प्राणैः कण्ठगतैरपि in our daily lives and use more and more तत्सम, तद्भव and देशज words in Hindi (and other Indian languages) and request our family, friends, to do the same. 

[Dr.Raghavendra.Bhat]

Shri Nityanand Misra Ji Namaste,

I am just sharing my opinions with you. 

I don't thing it is an appreciable  think that to take some ones name while in the  discussions 

regarding public and also a respectable topics like Sanskrit. 

And i think first we; Sanskrit parsons;should speak and teach mainly in Sanskrit in all over 

our working places and also while in the communication without any hesitation and then 

it automatically influences on other langues. For us it is really time to "Aatmaavalokana" and

seems it is not a time to think on others.

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[shankara]

Mishraji,

Please give the source of the quote 'न वदेद्यावनीं भाषां प्राणैः कण्ठगतैरपि'.

 

regards
shankara

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Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013 5:28 AM
Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Re: How to increase Sanskrit influence on Hindi and other languages

[Ganesh R]

Dear Sri Raghavendra,

While being aware of what your honest concern is and me being  with it, still I strongly feel what our learned  friend Sri. NItyanand Misra has expressed is perfectly correct. We should never be apologetic in such issues and  Sri. Misra is absolutely right in bringing contrasting parallels from people like Mr. Kkatju. Misra ji has been very realistic and practical in this regard and what is possible in our hands has been clearly stated by him. Hence we should appreciate it and follow and this is your concern too. Therefore there is no difference in our goals.


regards

ganesh

[yogi]

On Mar 27, 9:16 am, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But this BELIEF is becoming False Belief. Very High Percentage of Persian
> and Arabic Words are IMPORTED wholesale into Hindi and Sanskrit words are
> Not Used. If there is a choice between Urdu Origin word and Sanskrit word
> Sanskrit is losing the battle. In TV programmes and films,  nobody is

This discussion gives me the opportunity to ask what I always wanted
to.
I would like to make my Hindi pure - knowing what comes from Urdu/
Persian/Arabic, and at the same time, knowing the Sanskrit
equivalents.

Is/are there some resources either online or offline which would be of
help?

And at the language fluency level - are there specific things I can do
to propel my Hindi in this direction ?
I adore reading literature, so suggestions in this area are welcome.

I tried searching on google - "making hindi pure" , but I did not find
anything noteworthy as yet.

If there are any forums, google groups or other resources dedicated to
this area, please tell me.

Thanks,
Vishal

[Chandrasekaran K]

I agree with Shri. Nithyanand Misra. We can't expect much from Bollywood, TV and news channels considering their ownership and funding and profit motive. 

So the suggestions made by him such as use of sanskrit words among our family and friends is the best way forward. Slowly we should progress to speaking sanskrit at home and/ or may be with select relatives and friends. 

I am sure things will improve if we make efforts instead of moaning. After all in spite of all that is happening around us, there are still 2000 families whose mother tongue is Sanskrit and there is Maddhur where Sanskrit is spoken by all. 

I hope some day my knowledge of sanskrit will also improve enough to say these things in sanskrit. 

Pranam

Chandrasekaran

 

On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 5:28 AM, Nityanand Misra <nmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

[ss murty]

Sir,

I agree that we should not hesitate to speak in Sanskrit.  samskritE vaktuM prayatnaM kurmaH. Charity begins at home.

..ssmurty

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