DLI & Archive.org

[K S Kannan]

A good many Sanskrit works are being rather arbitrarily removed from Archives.org stating a vague reason that an item can be removed

for various reasons. It looks almost whimsical, and many good/important/key books disappear in a matter of hours: I had earmarked it for download last night, and this morning it has just vanished!

The irregularities and misspellings etc of DLI figure there as well,

even though many items listed in DLI are missing there. When the whole lot of DLI books have been donated/borrowed wholesale to Archive.org, why does this happen? How is all this to be figured out/manipulated/restored/regularised/made transparent?

Should not India have its own counterpart of Archives.org

which can be fully under its own control ?

Or, are there already such source/s that I may not know?

If none exists, should not India, or some key organisation here, start one?

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Sant Rajinder Singh Ji Maharaj Chair Professor, IIT-Madras.

Nominated Member, Academic Committee, Kavi Kula Guru Kalidasa University, Ramtek.
Member, Academic Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthana.
Senior Fellow, ICSSR, New Delhi.
Academic Director, Swadeshi Indology.
Nominated Member, IIAS, Shimla.

Former Professor, CAHC, Jain University, Bangalore.

Former Director, Karnataka Samskrit University, Bangalore.

Former Head, Dept. of Sanskrit, The National Colleges, Bangalore.

[Sivanar]

Respected Sir,

There are anti-national and anti-Hindu forces working in Government departments.

We must bring this fact to the minister in charge (of HR?)

to take necessary action.

Namaste.

Prof. Sivakumar 

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Dear Prof Kannan,

I had promised not write for another 10 years on BVP list but decided to write after seeing your mail

All Books scanned by DLI the back ups are available elsewhere the complete 30 plus TB of Data. An uploader of an item can remove their own upload. I have removed what I have uploaded a few times.

If you can get the will of the government and remove copywrite act for publication or make all publications published without copywrite them a permanent repository can be created. A copywrite for any work exits 60 years to the death of the author and then passes on to the copywrite holders legal heirs  if they decide to renew the copywrite.

A good many works are considered orphaned works or whose copywrite is doubtful. Say such a work is uploaded. Then the copyright holder asks archives.org or me if I am hosting the work on my website to get the worked removed in a casual way to avoid legal consequences' one just apologies and remove the concerned material.

It cost several crores hundreds' of crores rupees to host high quality scans.  even to create something close to archives.org to host  1 petabyte of data on a perpetual basis would cost nothing less that 300 crore a year. Over the past 8 to 9 years i have requested for individuals or organisation to donate toward digital preservation but hardly anyone is interested in such a proposal. A few kind individuals do patronize but not a scale required

Please note all DLI scanned then were not out of copywrite works hence DLI website closed down

I  have made a complete clean up of Sanskrit related out of copywrite books scanned by DLI and have rescanned most of them which DLI had scanned i lower resolution in higher resolution As I have id do share them with any one who needs and who can support my digitizing goals

You often write about easily accessible and searchable bibliography of all published books and articles published pertaining to all aspects of India studies published in  all languages. Millions of books and articles have been published since the time books were printed India. I can get such work done if there sponsorship to expected scales. A sum of Rs .25,000 one time or one cannot get an operator who enters error free dat at Rs 7,000 a month who know about book cataloging and who is familiar with different scripts

Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Let me further add I have met several scholars who say the need PDF of books if I give it to them they simply say thank you your very kind you're doing a great job but when comes voluntarily paying they want to give one thousand rupees or two thousand for one 5 years. for 5,000 books  printed prior to 19040 that I have. Hence most of them them those who scan including me upload them to archives.org as they don't charge the uploader for uploading and down loading is free. Simply typing hyper accurate spellings don't make a Sanskrit pdfs accessible. One has to intuitively learn to search as well.

[RameshKrishnamurthyPDX]

What would be the cost of (1) setting such an archive and (2) maintaining it? Can they be funded from donations/subscriptions/sponsors? I am willing to support such an effort.

[Prabhu]

Sri Ajit Gargeshwari ji,

Amazing work by you. 

I do appreciate your sharing with me, last year(?),  upon my request, a document from the repository you curate. Thank you!

Your work speaks for itself.

Still, among a few on this august forum,  who if they did take a mauna-varta it would help,... you are not one.

Regards

Prabhu

[BVK Sastry (G-S-Pop)]

Namaste

 

1.  Ajit :     I fully agree with your observation, concern and contention : < Simply typing hyper accurate spellings don't make a Sanskrit pdfs accessible. One has to intuitively learn to search as well. > .

 

2.  Prof. KSK :  I appreciate your  concern on available digital archives   and  proposal for action. We are willing to extend our cooperation.

 

                              < Should not India have its own counterpart of Archives.org which can be fully under its own control ?

                                  Or, are there already such source/s that I may not know? If none exists, should not India, or some key organisation here, start one? > :

 

Your expectation should match a call for action on the scale of  work- vision – teaming- investment and final beneficiaries aligned to Nations vision for ‘ Panini Language (Sanskrit): for Digital Citizens of 2030 onwards. The details on early starters of  digital achieve initiatives can be  viewed at :  HathiTrust - Wikipedia; Million Book Project - Wikipedia .

 

HathiTrust was founded in October 2008 by the twelve universities of the Committee on Institutional Cooperation and the eleven libraries of the University of California.[5] The partnership includes over 60 research libraries[6] across the United States, Canada, and Europe, and is based on a shared governance structure. Costs are shared by the participating libraries and library consortia.[7] The repository is administered by the University of Michigan.[8] The Executive Director of HathiTrust is Mike Furlough.[9] The HathiTrust Shared Print Program is a distributed collective collection whose participating libraries have committed to retaining almost 18 million monograph volumes for 25 years, representing three-quarters of HathiTrust digital book holdings.[10]

 

    There are some notable Indian Indology organizations which have addressed this issue, for benefit of in-house scholars , with private and public funds.  

 

     In terms of scale and contribution, DLI has been a good effort. The work to be done / work done’  by  ‘teams beyond India in the past four to five decades with clear  interest in accessing  knowledge documented in language: Sanskrit ( - should I qualify it as bharateeya / Hindu  or just another ancient language in terms of recent posts on the forum ??) is of Himalayan scale and rocket speed. The ‘capture –seizure ’ is first phase before deliberation on ‘Quality- Quantity- Accessibility- Usability – Costs- priority – Continuity Of digitalization of manuscripts’ .

   

              The DLI is a ‘gifted horse’. So, in using it, the best thing is to take the wisdom of adage: ‘ DON’T LOOK A GIFT HORSE IN THE MOUTH, using the logic horse’s age and utility can be determined by inspecting its teeth. Basically, the longer the teeth, the older the horse. A gift horse could be so old that the person gifting it don’t even want it.

 

                 A gift horse, by definition is an apparent gift, that has substantial associated costs or drawbacks, especially a gift that does not fit perfectly with the recipient’s wants or needs.  The phrase appears in print in English in 1546, as “don’t look a given horse in the mouth”, in John Heywood’s A Dialogue 'No man ought to look a given horse in the mouth.'   Does it remind us of the wisdom from Katha Upanishad, substituting 'cow to horse' ? :

ॐ उशन् ह वै वाजश्रवसः सर्ववेदसं ददौ । तस्य ह नचिकेता नाम पुत्र आस ॥ १॥

तँ ह कुमारँ सन्तं दक्षिणासु  नीयमानासु श्रद्धाविवेश सोऽमन्यत ॥ २॥

पीतोदका जग्धतृणा दुग्धदोहा निरिन्द्रियाः ।  अनन्दा नाम ते लोकास्तान् स गच्छति ता ददत् ॥ ३॥

स होवाच पितरं तत कस्मै मां दास्यसीति । द्वितीयं तृतीयं तँ होवाच मृत्यवे त्वा ददामीति ॥ ४॥

 

So, what would you project as priority  and pitch for a National funding  project? – Use what is available ? Clean up what is messed up ? New initiatives ? Invest in right technology ? Invest in scholars grooming for next hundred years ?? Maintain ‘ manuscript museums’?   What would it be which was not covered in the scope of National Manuscript mission , IGNCA and many such initiatives  and deliberated in conferences - MILLION BOOK UNIVERSAL DIGITAL LIBRARY PROJECTS: INDIA - E-LIS repository (rclis.org)  ; http://eprints.rclis.org/22792/7/Million%20Book%20Universal%20Digital%20Library%20Projects%20India.pdf ; ?

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

[Narendra Dutt Tiwari]

Namaste! 

I also feel the same. A few years ago I was asked to pay some money to manage the archive. As I remember, I was trying to download a book from the archive. 

On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 5:27 PM K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

I am sorry archives.org never asks a user to pay money for downloading  any material that one can download. I am writing  this with a disclaimer  that I am not a representative  of archive.org  neither am I in anyway associated with them or their affiliates except that I like anyone  use their free services. Archives.org  just as any non profit  organization  is dependent  on donations  to sustain and maintain their needs one needs to know a difference between fund raising and operating as a commercial  business entity. Prof. Kanna has not said that archive.org  is a commercial  entity.

Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari

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[K S Kannan]

Gargeswari-ji is right.

Archive.org asks for donations, it does not demand sums,

or allows conditional downloading.

The only tragedy, perhaps irreparable, is that it removes books

on no transparent grounds; and they may have their reasons, valid or invalid.

What I would stress is that we have our own alternative,

possibly with governmental patronage/subsidy/whatever.

Rather than siphon off TTD funds which come as donations from devotees for secular purposes,

it must all be utilised for the legitimate goals : securing temples, improving facilities,

printing of heritage literature, supporting traditional arts, patronising and

improving the quality/standards of DLI/any similar indigenous body etc.

The sweepers of "heritage temples" draw more salary than most of the archaka-s.

When do we put an end to such ironies and tragedies?

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Please see my inline reply

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

Web site Visit https://archive.org/details/@sri_gargeshwari_digital_foundation

https://archive.org/details/karnatakasamskritauniversity

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On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 9:48 PM K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gargeswari-ji is right.

Archive.org asks for donations, it does not demand sums,

or allows conditional downloading.

The only tragedy, perhaps irreparable, is that it removes books

on no transparent grounds; and they may have their reasons, valid or invalid.

I have tried to answer this question earlier. If the lawful copyright holder says its infringement the work is removed, An uploader can remove any work they upload. It is the will of the uploader to decide An uploader  can decide how long what he has digitised can be made available for free and on which site.No condition is imposed on the uploader by archives except an acceptance that the uploader has the right to upload.

What I would stress is that we have our own alternative,

possibly with governmental patronage/subsidy/whatever.

There are several initiatives  that are launched by the government, private organisations and universities from time to time. There are sevearl sites on the web.

Rather than siphon off TTD funds which come as donations from devotees for secular purposes,

it must all be utilised for the legitimate goals : securing temples, improving facilities,

printing of heritage literature, supporting traditional arts, patronising and

improving the quality/standards of DLI/any similar indigenous body etc.

"Siphon off TTD funds"  the question needs to be addressed by making a petion. This question is best addressed by TTD and their representatives

The sweepers of "heritage temples" draw more salary than most of the archaka-s.

When do we put an end to such ironies and tragedies?

Please ask if copyright is a boon or tragedy. are the publishers or authors greedy or fair. The archakas ill-treated and exploited the sweepers for centuries perhaps on a different thread.

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Nominated Member, Academic Committee, Kavi Kula Guru Kalidasa University, Ramtek.
Member, Academic Council, Veda Vijnana Shodha Samsthana.
Senior Fellow, ICSSR, New Delhi.
Academic Director, Swadeshi Indology.
Nominated Member, IIAS, Shimla.

Former Professor, CAHC, Jain University, Bangalore.

Former Director, Karnataka Samskrit University, Bangalore.

Former Head, Dept. of Sanskrit, The National Colleges, Bangalore.

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[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

Prof Kannan

I am not sure why there are some conspiracy theories about archive.org on this mailing list every once in a while. I am not connected with archive.org, but the bottomline is it's a free service and depends on volunteers to upload or delete their uploads. This is not a centralized mechanism and therein lies the power. So if someone uploads and later deletes that's not archive.org's problem or their decision, it's not a bug to complain about, it's a feature which makes archive.org useful and nimble, you can't make it cheap and nimble and also demand a huge paper trail. They are conflicting requirements. It's not in their budget to keep track of these details, they would probably have to employ a large number of people for doing things like that. In flagrant copyright violations, they may take action, especially upon complaints. 

Rights – Internet Archive Help Center

You can actually find an article about archive.org within archive.org itself, addressing some of these points.

History of Internet Archive : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Bottomline is that you can't look a gift horse in the mouth. Archive.org also provides a service where you can borrow some books for sometime, These are for books for which copyrights still exist. 

Ramakrishnan

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Let me say this for those who raise conspiracy theories against archives.org They neither use archives.org nor have they even digitized ten books that they wish to share. sharing and digital preservation is not their interest. relentless criticism is their cup of tea. They are ill-informed about what it takes to make available extraordinary rare books available to all interested readers,  at their convenience right on their computer anytime any where without having to visit one dozen library and even if they visit libraries all over India they will not be able to read as the books will be in fragile or torn condition They do not care about making resources available to differently abled people mean. The conspirators theorists believe  that either rare and important books pertaining to Sanskrit should get disintegrated in libraries or in their own personal collection but should not be preserved digitally. They don't believe in knowledge preservation through digitization. They say the Government should do that work, spend thousands of crores on infrastructure  for perpetual preservation and easy accessibility and then they will read, not just read will criticize the government pointing drawbacks and hatch further conspiracy theories. The  conspiracy theorists kept endlessly criticizing  DLI. When DLI said they are closing down the conspiracy theorists made no efforts to retain their data in a accessible form  within India but allowed that data to be hosted elsewhere.  When DLI data was hosted elsewhere they again saw a conspiracy. Such is the way and will of the conspiracy theorists. Since this list is open to all who wants to make claims for which they need not demonstrate any reasonable justification or evidence they feel they have the right to write and all should either read silently or accept their views else they will make so much noise that threads will have to be closed by the list moderator.

Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari

[K S Kannan]

I do not know who the conspiracy theorists are. I certainly am not one.

I have no complaints against archive.org, or the many uploaders to the same.

I am not denying the rights of the uploaders to withdraw what they have uploaded.

Uploaders like Ajit-ji are indeed doing a great service, which has also not been denied.

I do not know how many more categorical denials need to be made by me/others.

Take the case of a 100-year old book, where there are apparently no copyright-infringements.

Even such books vanish all of a sudden. And that can cause a problem or a panic to many:

one is not sure which book will survive till when.

I guess it is like the publication of books. There are both governmental and private publishers.

Sometimes there is a collaboration (and sometimes even competition) between them.

It would be best in the interests of the common man that they work variously in tandem.

It is easy to blame the government, but that should not always be branded as springing

necessarily from a censorious attitude. Where problems are, people tend to express or share it

on some platform or the other.

The ideal solution lies perhaps in a sort of a healthy competition between

the governmental and private institutions carrying out the same tasks;

and as in many sectors, the government should come forward to recognise

the services of those who digitise, honour them, and more importantly,

encourage them and even generously/reasonably fund them regularly etc.

Those who are providing good service here, as anywhere else,

should not be forced to fend for themselves.

This can then be considered as important a service as the hospital/transport sector.

There can be private bodies alongside the governmental ones. The analogy of

patronage to classical music, or even libraries may also be reasonable. The government

must take it up as one of its duties, but then, there should, alongside, be patronage

from private individuals/bodies.

There is nothing wrong if the government spends a small percentage at least of its funds 

for this service. A good many governmental jobs get done shoddily, inevitably perhaps.

But if the government takes the help/assistance/guidance of knowledgeable and passionate

book digitisers - such as Ajit-ji perhaps - more viable/reasonable/sensible solutions can be found.

While a perfect solution may never be attained (as in any other field/sector),

more and more reasonable solutions can/should be aimed at.

The day the government(s) consider digitisation of books as indeed a great service to humanity,

and encourage those that maintain good standards (by way also of developing a healthy competition

among them perhaps), and also deem the utilisation of temple funds for such acts as

the modern equivalent of employing āsthāna-vidvāns - will be a great day for our heritage.

I cannot do better than recall Abhinavagupta who said that preservation/renovation of the great

accomplishments of the past is to be deemed equivalent to doing them originally itself! :

pūrva-pratiṣṭhapita-yojanāsu

mūla-pratiṣṭhā-phalam āmananti|

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[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 6:07 AM K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:

Take the case of a 100-year old book, where there are apparently no copyright-infringements.

Even such books vanish all of a sudden. And that can cause a problem or a panic to many:

one is not sure which book will survive till when.

Bogus complaints and threats are indeed a source of problem. I've heard that has happened due to sheer envy and ill will (eg. uploader A does not like uploader B etc..). 

There exist people and institutions, for analogy, who type and publish exactly whatever they see in a 100 year old book, and then claim copyright on them/ harass those who copy online for their own purposes. Though their legal claims are invalid, countering them is a big hassle and time-sink - leading to folks just giving up. In this sense,  https://sarit.indology.info/ is a golden example. Besides technologically simple distribution, all their files are available under the https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ license.

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 7:36 AM विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) <vishvas...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 6:07 AM K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:

Take the case of a 100-year old book, where there are apparently no copyright-infringements.

Even such books vanish all of a sudden. And that can cause a problem or a panic to many:

one is not sure which book will survive till when.

Bogus complaints and threats are indeed a source of problem. I've heard that has happened due to sheer envy and ill will (eg. uploader A does not like uploader B etc..). 

Regarding places to upload, Sci Hub (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub ) and Library Genesis (currently at https://libgen.is/ , but might shift periodically) are an attractive location. They definitely reject notions of copyright - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Genesis . It's founder  Alexandra Elbakyan is one of the most admired people in science - I am glad she is faring better than the tragic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz .

I hope that uploaders additionally upload their scans to these services.

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

This mail is for the benefit of members and not a reply to the members post. https://libgen.is/  and zlibrary or its various avatars are illegal.

Please read: Is Libgen Safe? – Book Cave (mybookcave.com)

Some people mistakenly believe that Libgen isn’t like other torrenting sites and that they acquired their material legally since they have the option to download directly. This, however, is not true. Libgen did not acquire their books legally. This is evident in the many lawsuits they have faced. Therefore, downloading books from Libgen is no safer than downloading from other illegal book sharing sites and torrents. More importantly, it is not legal to download books from Libgen.

Even if one can prove the site is legal in a court of law they will not allow high resolution scans. They mask their true IP address and so on

Regards

Ajit Gargehswari

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[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 10:48 AM Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

This mail is for the benefit of members and not a reply to the members post. https://libgen.is/  and zlibrary or its various avatars are illegal.

Please read: Is Libgen Safe? – Book Cave (mybookcave.com)

Some people mistakenly believe that Libgen isn’t like other torrenting sites and that they acquired their material legally since they have the option to download directly.

I've honestly never heard of such people. Everyone I've encountered knows exactly what Libgen is.

 

Therefore, downloading books from Libgen is no safer than downloading from other illegal book sharing sites and torrents. More importantly, it is not legal to download books from Libgen.

This is false information (but I'm open to corrections given that laws may have changed or caught up). With torrents, the problem is not that you download items made available despite "copyright restrictions" - the problem is that you share whatever portions you've already downloaded to others in violation of "copyright restrictions". With libgen, you can directly download an item from their site without sharing from your computer as in the case of torrents. Hence, there is no violation of laws.

Even if one can prove the site is legal in a court of law they will not allow high resolution scans.

I've read high res scans of books from libgen.

 

They mask their true IP address and so on

This is not a problem for readers.

 

Regards

Ajit Gargehswari

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021, 10:24 AM विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) <vishvas...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 7:36 AM विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) <vishvas...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 6:07 AM K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:

Take the case of a 100-year old book, where there are apparently no copyright-infringements.

Even such books vanish all of a sudden. And that can cause a problem or a panic to many:

one is not sure which book will survive till when.

Bogus complaints and threats are indeed a source of problem. I've heard that has happened due to sheer envy and ill will (eg. uploader A does not like uploader B etc..). 

Regarding places to upload, Sci Hub (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sci-Hub ) and Library Genesis (currently at https://libgen.is/ , but might shift periodically) are an attractive location. They definitely reject notions of copyright - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_Genesis . It's founder  Alexandra Elbakyan is one of the most admired people in science - I am glad she is faring better than the tragic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz .

I hope that uploaders additionally upload their scans to these services.

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[Narendra Dutt Tiwari]

Namaste!

But sorry to say it happened to me. This is why I mention it on this platform.

With regards

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

What happened

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

Web site Visit https://archive.org/details/@sri_gargeshwari_digital_foundation

https://archive.org/details/karnatakasamskritauniversity

न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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[Kamal Nayan]

Namaskar Ajit Ji!
Total indic ebooks data on archive (excluding multiple formats of same item and all audio/video) will be little more than 0.1 PB.
Hosting 1 PB data won't cost anything more than rs. 0.5 crore/year.

I don't think copywrite for any work after 60 years of death of the author passes to the copywrite holders legal heirs if they try to renew the copywrite.

Artistic work: "Under Section 2(c) of the Copyright Act, 19574, artistic works include paintings, drawings, sculptures, and photographs, which are protected due to their originality. An artistic work can be a standalone creation not necessarily intended for industrial application and enjoys protection for a significant period (life of the creator plus 60 years)."
Reference: https://www.scconline.com/blog/post/2024/10/16/from-art-to-industry-decoding-the-clash-between-copyright-and-design-in-indian-law/

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Kamal Nayan,

Lets do it then Please write to me off the list and let me know your plan

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

Website: https://www.indoscripts.org/

View our Digitized Collections

https://archive.org/details/indo-script-raksha-trust

https://archive.org/details/@sri_gargeshwari_digital_foundation

https://archive.org/details/karnatakasamskritauniversity

न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Total archived data relating Indic studies exceeds 1.5 PB I have nearly a half a PB of data myself. So Please let me know of the list how we  can recreate archives.org or design and develop a better site with sustained funding for the next 10 years and a funding mechanism which will keep the site free for users in perpetual manner for  the next several decades at least if not for the next 50 years.

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

Website: https://www.indoscripts.org/

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न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

[Kamal Nayan]

Namaskar!
I think your downloaded data includes audio/video, derivate, history etc. files as well. Please generate & share ncdu or Snap2HTML files of your downloaded data.
Your downloaded data can be hosting at minimal expense.

I have mentioned expense details in this doc: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O3wanYFgolua1-JU52VETcrvlsNO8PJZ/view?usp=drive_link

Regards,

Kamal Nayan

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

No It does not include audia or vedio A scanned image size varies depends on what DPI one keeps, Colou,r Black and white and many factors. I, as of now prefer to use archives.org which is a stable platform and long term storage ( for next 5 years) can be gauranteed. I donot generate & share ncdu or Snap2HTML files of your downloaded data and share public mailing lists If you are able to host with your Hosting expense summary please host. In my opinion It will not be eaxaustive and archives.org are doing a good job as of now. Unless one wants to recreate that which is lready there

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

Website: https://www.indoscripts.org/

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https://archive.org/details/indo-script-raksha-trust

https://archive.org/details/@sri_gargeshwari_digital_foundation

https://archive.org/details/karnatakasamskritauniversity

न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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[Kamal Nayan]

Namaskar Ajit Ji!

I think you have 0.08 PB (80 TB) of data & not 0.8 PB (800 TB).

Please verify and let us know.

Regards,

Kamal Nayan