varna system in different species

[Veeranarayana Pandurangi]

Dear All

I want to know how shastras have made Chaturvarnya in different species like वृक्ष, क्षेत्र, देवता, शिला etc.

It is like

'ब्राह्मणत्वादयो भावाः सर्वप्राणिष्ववस्थिताः ।

अभिव्यक्ताः स्वकार्याणां साधका इत्यपि स्मृतिः ॥ ४४  vakyapadiya

'क्षेत्रभेदं प्रवक्ष्यामि शिवेनाख्यातमञ्जसा।'

ब्राह्मं क्षात्रं च वैश्यीयं शौद्रं चेति यथा क्रमात् ॥१५॥

विप्रादिजातिसम्भूतान् विप्रादिष्वेव योजयेत् ।

गुणाड्यानपि वृक्षादीन् प्रातिलोम्यं न चाचरेत् ॥

It is also quoted that

"Bhavaprakasha nighantu and vangasena etc koshas have much more material in this regard"

I request you to kindly enlighten me with further material

[K S Kannan]

The schema extends to even gems and serpents.

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[Veeranarayana Pandurangi]

Sir, Please give me reference for that thing where i can search

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[Krishna Kashyap]

It extends to Vedas: like rigveda, yajurveda and also to ragas of different kinds!

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

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[Veeranarayana Pandurangi]

Mahodaya, references please

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[V Subrahmanian]

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:07 PM Krishna Kashyap <kkashy...@gmail.com> wrote:

It extends to Vedas: like rigveda, yajurveda and also to ragas of different kinds!

Should the Purana-s and Itihasa-s be left behind?  I think these too, at least the Puranas, have the sattva, rajas, tamas, classification. Even the human four-fold classification is based on the three gunas and their combinations.  So, the gunas must be the basis for extending the brahmanaadi classification to other objects.  There is this shloka of the Bhagavadgita:

न तदस्ति पृथिव्यां वा दिवि देवेषु वा पुनः । सत्त्वं प्रकृतिजैर्मुक्तं यदेभिः स्यात्त्रिभिर्गुणैः ॥ ४० ॥  18.40

There is nothing in the three worlds (that is, in the entire creation), that is bereft of the three gunas.  chara and achara, jaDa and chetana, all come in this.

regards

subrahmanian.v

 

[K S Kannan]

For example:

Taittiriya Brahmana 3.12.9.2.

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[V Subrahmanian]

On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 7:46 AM K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:

For example:

Taittiriya Brahmana 3.12.9.2.

Here is a quote from the site:  https://www.prekshaa.in/tradition-kshaatra-india-%E2%80%93-awareness-kshaatra-yajurveda

In the Yajurveda, we see manifestly the greatness accorded to the essence of kshaatra. An important representative of the essence of kshaatra is the ashvamedha yajna. The Taittiriya Samhita says ‘यजुर्वेदं क्षत्रियस्याहुर्योनिम्’ (3.12.1.2) suggesting that the Yajurveda is the origin of the kshatriyas. In our Vedas, the ऋक् has been associated with brahmanas, यजुस् with kshatriyas, and सामन् with vaishyas [there are other views too; for example, Taittiriya Brahmana 3.12.9.2 says that brahman created the three varnas from the three Vedas – vaishyas from Rigveda, kshatriyas from Yajurveda, and brahmanas from Samaveda.) The Yajurveda has been called an action-oriented, ritual-intensive Veda; Rigveda is more aligned to prayer, Samaveda is aligned to worship, and Atharva Veda forms a bridge between the physical and the spiritual. 

[Krishna Kashyap]

some more references to indicate srutis / ragas to brahmana kshatria vaishya sudra are given below: I have limited information about the sources. Those who know how to read Kannada can understand. Details of these and sources can be obtained by texts like sangeeta ratnakara or sharada tilaka etc.

What I understand is that: Music can transform and affect one's spiritual state. These classification of svaras etc. are made in relation to the moods it can create in a person.

the moods towards moksha may be considered brahmana. moods towards carnal pleasures, anger, hatred etc. can be related to other classifications.

It is said one who knows music well is closer to attaining moksha.. see some statements regarding these below. Origination of svaras are related to which vedas, it came from.It is almost obvious to people that music affects the mood of a person.

Similarly studies in ayurveda and yoga have shown that music tones can provide satva rajas and tamo gunas. Studies of ragas and their effect on kapha vata pitta in ayurveda have been done.

See the classification of brahmana, kshatria, vaishya sudra pertaining to number of srutis below: I dont understand music well. Hence I dont know the details.

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

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[Veeranarayana Pandurangi]

Thanks. Please name the work you quoted

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[Krishna Kashyap]

I have quoted from AmaravAni series of books. book number 7 "sangeetha stotra"

These 26 books are available here 

http://www.ayvm.in/publications.php 

I have to do some research into from where the original verse was taken from. Please give me some time, I will find the original sources.

 

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

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[Krishna Kashyap]

If you want more info on "varna vyavasthe" or the classification of varnas and the theory behind it,

you can see volume 13 page 78 and onwards.

I will include a few paragraphs here:

page 82 vol 13

Best Regards,

Krishna Kashyap

[Dr.R.P.Sharma]

नमो महद्भ्यः

एतादृशसमये करपात्रस्वामिमहोदयस्य चातुर्वर्ण्यव्यवस्था-संस्कृतिः इति ग्रन्थोयमपि अवधेयमिति मे मतिः।

https://archive.org/details/ChaturvarnyaSanskritiVimarsh

डा.रामक-पाण्डुरङ्गशर्मा,
सहायाचार्यः(तेलुगु), ते.सां.सं.गु.वि.संस्था.
भाग्यनगरम्

[Dr.R.P.Sharma]

नमो महद्भ्यो विद्वद्भ्यः

एतादृशसमये करपात्रस्वामिमहोदयस्य चातुर्वर्ण्यव्यवस्था-संस्कृतिः इति ग्रन्थोयमपि अवधेयः इति मे मतिः।

[Veeranarayana Pandurangi]

thanks to all those who replied. it was helpfull. but we need to unearth more material on it.

Krishna Kashyap and RP Sharma thanks sir.

[विश्वासो वासुकेयः]

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 7:27:12 PM UTC+5:30, Veeranarayana Pandurangi wrote:

Dear All

I want to know how shastras have made Chaturvarnya in different species like वृक्ष, क्षेत्र, देवता, शिला etc.

It would be eminently valuable to see how nature (rather than just shAstra-s) brings forth varNa vyavasthA in different species. Not just distant relatives like: Ants, wasps, bees, termites. But close ones too: inheritence of social rank among monkeys.

[Rishi Goswami]

नमस्कार नारायणजी।

In my attempt of learning Shiksha Shastra, I saw few verses which may help.

उदात्तं ब्राह्मणं विन्द्यान्नीचं क्षत्रियमुच्यते ३
वैश्यं तु स्वरितं विन्द्याद्भारद्वाजमुदात्तकम्
नीचं गौतममित्याहुर्गार्ग्यं च स्वरितं विदुः ४ - Yv Shiksha.

स्वरास्तु ब्राह्मणा ज्ञेया वर्गाणां प्रथमाश्च ये
द्वितीयाश्च तृतीयाश्च चतुर्थाश्चापि भूमिपाः २
वर्गाणां पञ्चमा वैश्या अन्तस्थाश्च तथैव च
ऊष्माणश्च हकारश्च शूद्रा एव प्रकीर्तिताः ३ YS