Debunking thoughts on ShriLanka to be the Ramayana's Lanka

[rupa bhaty]

Dear Members,

Please find two write-ups on the Medium blog in regard to non-comprehension of Lanka's position (true south). There will be a series of them in the coming time. 

1. https://rupabhaty16.medium.com/abandonment-of-dhanushkodi-6aba73e122f3

2. https://rupabhaty16.medium.com/the-three-rivers-of-malaya-mountain-in-rāmāyaṇa-247c1874a632

Happy reading!

Regards to all the members,

Rupa Bhaty

Ex. Chief Architect

GDA

Gujarat

[Raja Roy]

Respected members,

Please also note  the following:

Ms. Bhaty and her colleagues claim that the Lanka of Ramayana was at the intersection of equator and meridian passing through Ujjain based on astronomical texts.  These texts describe 4 cities on equator: Lanka, Yamakoṭi, Romaka, and Siddhapura. Coordinates of Lanka based on astronomical texts are (0.0, 75.8). Coordinates of Yamakoṭi based on astronomical texts are (0.0, 165.8). Coordinates of Romaka based on astronomical texts are (0.0, -14.2). Coordinates of Siddhapura based on astronomical texts are (0.0, -104.2). All four points are in the deep sea. There never were any cities there. These are hypothetical cities illustrating the astronomical coordinate system of ancient India . Details with Google maps showing each of these point are in my article below:

https://rajarammohanroy.medium.com/refutation-of-nilesh-oaks-astronomical-dating-of-the-ramayana-to-12209-bce-88eecae3af80

If Ramayan's Lanka was at equator, then where is the bridge to it? If she takes the yojana at face value and locates Lanka at equator using 100 yojana distance, then Ramayana also says that the bridge was 10 yojana wide, which is about 90 km wide as the equator is about 900 km south from the tip of India. So can Ms. Bhaty explain where the 900 km long and 90 km wide bridge to equator has vanished? Did she take into account how deep the water is between India and the equator? Flawed research by her group may be used to dredge Ram Setu in future. Are we supposed to accept her Lanka that is hypothetical or the Lanka that exists in reality?

Best regards,

Dr. Raja Ram Mohan Roy 

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[rupa bhaty]

Dear Mister Raja Ram Mohan Roy,

Kindly refute the articles which is your favorite timepass, and have patience for I will also refute yours. BTW you have not yet answered the criteria you sought of the polestar being called as a polestar from any Indic scriptures. As you follow my blogs ardently you might know which blog I am referring to.

Refer to https://rupabhaty16.medium.com/chinese-still-remember-the-old-man-of-the-south-pole-20f2a88115b1

Regards

Rupa Bhaty

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[Raja Roy]

Dear Ms. Bhaty,

I will answer your questions and refute your articles in due time, if you so wish. I am preoccupied with other things right now.  

Best regards,

Dr. Raja Ram Mohan Roy

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[rupa bhaty]

Dear members,

Mister Raja Ram Mohan Roy has not yet given me any answer to my refutation of his refuting article. As this is not about deducing proof with a concrete theory but is like waging a war, I am still waiting for his answers. Therefore, I stopped writing refutations of his refuting articles. 

I am referring to this article which was posted on 7th May, 2021.  

Hope to have a wonderful words like shodding etc for this article as well.

Rgds

[rupa bhaty]

Dear Mister Raja Ram Mohan Roy,

Even I am busy with many a thing, being a single breadwinner, household chores, children, write ups, architectural sites, art and what not. Only a request, kindly only refute the article and please don't bring into your assumptions like what you just exhibited in the previous message. "How and why 9km wide 100 yojana long bridge?" 

Then there will be many questions like how Pushpaka vimana flies, why Sirasa comes out of the ocean, how Hanuman ji flies. And at the end which one is the Brahmarashi star ( that you yourself don't know neither you will be able to find it for us), what is Agastya Rsi, How can Jatayu speak, What was Pushpak vimana, how can vanara speak and finally Ramayana is a work of fiction, and so it was written between 2000BC to 2000AD (since you have pointed out Chaitra in Vasanta so the date cannot go beyond that limit and surely is landing after Mahabharata, whether of 5561 BCE or 3102 BC).

Neither you produce any evidence nor you produce any theoretical proof to them. You are very good at refutation without any theory and for that I surely applaud your patience as you said you are burdened with other tasks so I think you might be missing the point.

Anyways, all the best.

Rgds

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[rupa bhaty]

And to give you a nightmare, it appears you yourself are giving proof to Pleistocene times by saying "These texts describe 4 cities on equator: Lanka, Yamakoṭi, Romaka, and Siddhapura. Coordinates of Lanka based on astronomical texts are (0.0, 75.8). Coordinates of Yamakoṭi based on astronomical texts are (0.0, 165.8). Coordinates of Romaka based on astronomical texts are (0.0, -14.2). Coordinates of Siddhapura based on astronomical texts are (0.0, -104.2). All four points are in the deep sea.``, the submerged cities are still being found across the world and we may never know how the deep ocean levels behave and what were the previous Eustatic Conditions. When the shores get cut off and there is a sudden drop of levels at edges, that is not even remembered in the faintest memories of people living nearby and will never give you an idea what it was like before. 

The text also says "Kritaanta". I know that I am sheerly wasting my time.

[Raja Roy]

Dear Ms. Bhaty,

I am not getting any nightmares, believe me. As I said in my articles, I write for the people who would like a second opinion. You are not going to agree with me, that is a given. If it was a scholarly debate, it would be settled by subject matter experts. Since there is no such mechanism on this side of the spectrum, you and your colleagues have been able to influence a large number of people, including some powerful and rich people. But power and money can't buy history, no matter how powerful and resourceful these people are.  After all, one day people are going to realize how absurd it is to equate analogies with astronomical observations and dismiss clear evidence based on analogies and bogus claims of 575+ corroborations. The Vartak-Oak hypothesis has been debunked by me, so Chaitra in Vasanta has no bearing on the timing of the Ramayana.

Best regards,

Dr. Raja Ram Mohan Roy

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[venkat veeraraghavan]

Dr. Rupa Baty:

I was reminded of a smart alec comment from Twitter of all places:

"Hindus today are caught inbetween Woke and Oak".

I sincerely hope that people caught in this space find peace.

That usually happens when people function based on hosh rather than just josh.

Something to reflect on maybe when one gets tired of all the navel gazing.

Regards

V

[Pradyumna Achar]

Respected Bhaty ji,

Your article relies on sea levels. Sea levels do not keep rising. Ramayana happened in Treta yuga, which is well over 800k years ago (i.e, before Dwapara).

The chart below is from https://www.sealevels.org/#

Regards

Pradyumna

[rupa bhaty]

"I am not getting any nightmares, believe me. As I said in my articles, I write for the people who would like a second opinion. You are not going to agree with me, that is a given. If it was a scholarly debate, it would be settled by subject matter experts."...words and many words and articulation of words. 

"Since there is no such mechanism on this side of the spectrum, you and your colleagues have been able to influence a large number of people, including some powerful and rich people. But power and money can't buy history, no matter how powerful and resourceful these people are."  Please prove this that I am being aided for altering the History or else this goes for a defamation case.

"After all, one day people are going to realize how absurd it is to equate analogies with astronomical observations and dismiss clear evidence based on analogies and bogus claims of 575+ corroborations. The Vartak-Oak hypothesis has been debunked by me, so Chaitra in Vasanta has no bearing on the timing of the Ramayana." This is your assumption that you have debunked the Vartak - Oak Hypothesis. For me you haven't even touched the subject. 

You mean to say Ramayana didn't happen or is a work of poetical fiction or something else?

Kindly refute the articles mentioned above and don't digress. Since the thread is about the two articles.

Rgds

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[rupa bhaty]

Definitely it can happen at any point of time in the past, then Swati which was positioned will not be there during 800 K. Swati was a pole star around 50 K BCE. When the new stars come into picture old stars fade away even in memories. New names come up like Samvatsara in Shunasira of Taittiriya Brahmana. We have swati nakshatra ( Ashwini month) clear references in Ramayana. If we can have answers to them...

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[Shashi Joshi]

Just an observation, on this and a few other threads:

The group has become 24x7 open forum for heatedly debating other publishing portals.

In a style, that is most aptly described in modern lingo as a pissing contest.

Instead of BVP, it has become BP raising forum.

Hari Om.

Thank you,
Shashi

[rupa bhaty]

It appears that I am being indirectly directed to leave the group. 

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[Shashi Joshi]

Namaste Rupa ji,

I would be the last to ask anyone to leave.

You may have been blessed to not have encountered some other threads.

This was not directed at you. It is directed at all participants of such threads.

You may be feeling otherwise, because of your current state of mind. Mostly, we see things from our own point of understanding, instead of what was intended. And even the wise get in this trap.

Please stay in the group.

Thank you,
Shashi

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[P V S Kumar]

“debating other publishing portals” may be out of scope for this forum. But …

 

I do not remember who said these words, but I like them very much: “There is nothing useless in this world. Even the worst thing can be used to show as an example of how the worst thing looks like”.

I will not call this thread as a useless / unwanted thread, since I have learned few things from this thread:

1.       I have learned how and where to use the phrase ‘pissing contest’ in a social forum. Wikipedia further widened my knowledge on this topic.

2.       I really relished the coolness showed by party X by saying “I am not getting any nightmares, believe me. …” when party Y is bombarding with series of mails in fury. I need to practice this more.

3.       “Mostly, we see things from our own point of understanding, instead of what was intended. And even the wise get in this trap.” So, true. A few times, in Ramayana, Lakshmana had to remind Rama on this point and bring him back from his delusions.

4.       Most importantly, this thread has given me an opportunity to revisit some of the ancient texts to have deeper insight into the specifics the two parties are debating about.

Thanks 

P V S Kumar

[Pradyumna Achar]

Respected Bhaty ji,

In that case, you would have to agree one or more of these: (a) Ramayana didn't happen in Treta (b) Dwapara is several orders of magnitude smaller (c) We can correctly compute positions of astronomical bodies 800k + years back. I believe these are difficult to establish.

Regards

Pradyumna

On Thursday, 16 September 2021 at 22:52:46 UTC+5:30 rupa bhaty wrote:

Definitely it can happen at any point of time in the past, then Swati which was positioned will not be there during 800 K. Swati was a pole star around 50 K BCE. When the new stars come into picture old stars fade away even in memories. New names come up like Samvatsara in Shunasira of Taittiriya Brahmana. We have swati nakshatra ( Ashwini month) clear references in Ramayana. If we can have answers to them...

[Raja Roy]

Real comment was this:

Full picture in the comment is this. 

This picture was made by Jaipur Dialogues, which is run by Mr. Sanjay Dixit, ex. IAS. During his days of service, to my knowledge he was typical pseudo-secular. Now he has become saviour of Hindus along with Aabhas Maldahiyar, who used to be a die-hard communist. Another new saviour of Hindus is Nageswara Rao, ex IPS, ex CBI. He was not known to be pro-Hindu durinvg his career. 

[विश्वासो वासुकेयः]

Having stumbled upon this thread, I just want to put it on record (if the moderator sh nAgarAj approves this mail) that Mr shashi (like Mr A or Mr B elsewhere) is airing a totally inane concern - my BP did not rise, I did not feel "disgusted" into leaving etc. etc. . Rather, I found Mr shashi's mail a distraction I could have done without. I just found myself curious about the topic at hand (esp. how the ever patient and meticulous one is going to handle it).

[Shashi Joshi]

Same here.

The names can be interchanged.

And why do you assume I was talking about your BP only.

The group is big.

But people do consider that world revolves around them.

There! I have honored you with a reply.

Thank you,
Shashi

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[Raja Roy]

Dear learned members,

Last year Ms. Rupa Bhaty had raised some questions regarding my refutation of the 12000 BCE dating of Surya Siddhanta. I had promised to write a response when I find time. I have just published my response. Here is a link to my article: 

Surya Siddhanta was NOT written over 14,000 years ago (Response to questions raised by Rupa Bhaty) | by Dr. Raja Ram Mohan Roy | Apr, 2022 | Medium

I had also given a talk on Sangam Talks on this topic in February. Here is the link for my talk:

Dating the Surya Siddhanta | Dr. Raja Ram Mohan Roy | #SangamTalks - YouTube

Most important point in my response is that Agastya was below the horizon for most of the time from anywhere in India in 12000 BCE. How can Agastya be considered a South Pole Star by Indians in 12000 BCE if it was not even visible for most of the night? I illustrate this point with multiple sky charts generated by Stellarium.

Best regards,

Raja