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venkat veeraraghavan
Sep 29, 2018, 8:04:25 AM9/29/18
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Dear Vidvans,
I am told that deva pavitram or a pavitra ring made of gold is equivalent to one made of darbha and harvested with the appropriate mantras.
The advantage of a deva pavitram is that it does not have to be discarded after the ritual.
Can the learned ones share the source for advocacy of a deva pavitra withing shastras?
And are there shastras that give specifications about what its composition should be, what its structure should be like etc?
Thanks,
Venkat
Niranjan Ni
Oct 2, 2018, 10:54:23 AM10/2/18
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Brahmakarma mention golden pavitras, but vishvakarmas who make these rings mention that silver can be used too.
I am not sure if this is based on tradition which is backed by shastric sources or economic necessity.
venkat veeraraghavan
Oct 3, 2018, 5:00:13 AM10/3/18
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Dear Shri Paturi ji, Shri Koradaji, Shri SIvasenani ji, Shri Gowthan Sarmaji..
Kindly do give your comments on this.
Thanks
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venkat veeraraghavan
Oct 3, 2018, 5:40:00 AM10/3/18
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I just saw that Shri Koradaji has given an explanation of devapavitra in another post, but the question in this case is about hema-pavitra which is held to be as pure within the kushagrahana section of the Brahmakarmas:
Please find the reference in attachment.
Thanks,
Venkat
Venkata Sriram
Oct 3, 2018, 7:42:49 AM10/3/18
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Our family priest (kula purohita) used to deva-pavitra made of gold. In telugu we call it as "darbha muDi ungaraM". Even, the great srividyopasaka from Tenali who is known as "Chandavolu Maharishi" (actual name is Brahmasri Tadepalli Raghavanarayana Sastry Garu of Chandolu) used to wear this always.
I am told that those whose father is not alive, are eligible to wear this darbha muDi ungaraM (though not sure from where this niSEdha has come). Our family priest used to do tarpaNas with this ring donned in finger. And this is not to be disposed off ....obviously because of Gold :))
rgs,
sriram
venkat veeraraghavan
Oct 3, 2018, 7:50:20 AM10/3/18
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Dear Sriram garu:
There is a different version of the same nishedha in Tamilnadu. My mum was of the opinion that those whose mother is alive should not wear it. Apparently she got this from her mother in law.
But no nishedhas ar ementioned in the kushagrahanam section where only the efficacy of hemapavitra is mentioned.
The usefulness of a hema pavitra comes from 2 factors:
1. Darbha has to be harvested by oneself (or one's disciples/sons) with proper mantras for it to be useful in vedic karma
2. Darbha pavitras unlike hema pavitras have to be discarded after use.
Hemapavitras are a convenience considering that the Brahmakarmas and Grihyasutras make wearing pavitra for all nityakarmas compulsory.
Venkat
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Subrahmanyam Korada
Oct 4, 2018, 7:25:11 AM10/4/18
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कात्यायन had prescribed a different माध्याह्निकसन्ध्या , ब्रह्मयज्ञतर्पणम् etc. and it is the followers of this system
who mostly (very rare in number) practice हेमपवित्रम् ।
Elsewhere पवित्रम् ---
कुशाभावे परार्के सुमन्तुः --
कुशः काशः शरो गुन्द्रो यवा दूर्वाथ बल्बजाः ।
गोकेशमुंजकुंदाश्च पूर्वाभावे परः परः ॥
हेमाद्रौ --
अन्यानि च पवित्राणि कुशादूर्वात्मकानि च ।
हेमात्मकपवित्रस्य ह्येकां नार्हन्ति वै कलाम् ॥
धन्यो’स्मि
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venkat veeraraghavan
Oct 4, 2018, 8:21:04 AM10/4/18
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Dear Shri Koradaji,
Thanks for your explanation.
Katyayana's prescription was for Shukla Yajurveda I presume?
How would you interpret the reference to hemapavitram given in the attachment of the first post where it is mentioned in the section of Kushagrahanam for Bodhayana Brahmakarma that deals with KYV?
venkat veeraraghavan
Oct 4, 2018, 8:22:48 AM10/4/18
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My apologies the relevant attachment is in the 4th post and not in the first post as mentioned earlier.
G S S Murthy
Oct 4, 2018, 12:09:20 PM10/4/18
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My ignorance may be pardoned. What is the significance of wearing Pavitra? Also, there are two types of pavitras.
Regards,
Murthy
My web site : http://murthygss.tripod.com/index.htm
and also my Sanskrit blog :
and also my Sanskrit blog :
Subrahmanyam Korada
Oct 6, 2018, 2:54:34 AM10/6/18
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नमो विद्वद्भ्यः
विद्. वीरराघवन् ---
I do not have any प्रमाणम् to say that कात्यायन for शुक्लयजुर्वेद and बोधायन for कृष्णयजुर्वेद ।
हेमपवित्रम् - is always the best and this is stated not only by कात्यायन but also हेमाद्रि and this is applicable
across the board , i e all .
दर्भs are to be replaced frequently --
मासेन स्यादमावास्या दर्भो ग्राह्यो नवः स्मृतः -- षट्त्रिंशन्मते
ये च पिण्डाश्रिता दर्भा यैः कृतं पितृतर्पणम् ।
अमेध्याशुचिलिप्ता ये तेषां त्यागो विधीयते ॥ -- गृह्यपरिशिष्टे
पथि दर्भाश्चितौ दर्भा ये दर्भा यज्ञभूमिषु ।
स्तरणासनपिण्डेषु षट्कुशान् परिवर्जयेत् ॥ --- लघुहारीतः
So हेमपवित्रम् would be comfortable and lasts for ever .
There are आयातयामदर्भs ( can be used time and again - not use and throw ) --
नभोमासस्य दर्शे तु शुचिर्दर्भानुपाहरेत् ।
आयातयामास्ते दर्भाः विनियोज्या पुनः पुनः ॥
नभोमासः = श्रावणमासः ; दर्शः = अमावास्या (some scholars said - भाद्रपदामावास्या )
What is दर्भ ? There are ten --
कुशाः काशा यवा दूर्वा उशीराश्च सकुन्दकाः ।
गोधूमा व्रीहयो मुञ्जा दश दर्भास्सबल्बजाः ॥
one can use any one of them - need not necessarily go for कुश ।
Vid G S S Murthy ---
As you are aware there is a unique concept in सनातनधर्म -- पवित्रीकरणम् (purification) |
Persons /things get impurity due to many reasons and in order to attain the intended result of a
rite (वैदिककर्म) one should wear a पवित्रम् - recite certain मन्त्रs - use पवित्रजलम् - undergo certain
संस्कार and so on and so forth .
These संस्कारs ( untranslatable) are prescribed and described by ऋषिs , who are साक्षात्कृतधर्माणः
विदितवेदितव्याः, परावरज्ञाः ( निरुक्तम् ऽ महाभाष्यम् ) etc .
पवित्रवन्तः परिवाजमासते ..... (आब्दिकमन्त्रः)
पावमान्यः पुनन्तु मा । प्राजापत्यं पवित्रम् .... (पुण्याहवाचनम् )
L N Gowtham Sarma Mahamkali
Oct 6, 2018, 4:08:39 AM10/6/18
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.. one should wear deva pavitra to anaamikas of both the hands. As said by scholars earlier darbha should be replaced. Deva pavitra made with gold can be used as said in bodhayana brahma karma.
The common gold deva pavitra will look like ....
The common gold deva pavitra will look like ....
Gowtham Sarma Mahamkali
Oct 6, 2018, 4:11:36 AM10/6/18
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On Sat 6 Oct, 2018, 1:38 PM L N Gowtham Sarma Mahamkali, <mlngo...@gmail.com> wrote:
.. one should wear deva pavitra to anaamikas of both the hands. As said by scholars earlier darbha should be replaced. Deva pavitra made with gold can be used as said in bodhayana brahma karma.
The common gold deva pavitra will look like ....
venkat veeraraghavan
Oct 6, 2018, 5:14:05 AM10/6/18
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Dear Shri Koradaji : Thanks for your extensive clarifications.
Shri Gowtham ji-Thanks for the photos of what a deva pavitra looks like.
Are you sure a hema pavitram needs to be worn on both hands? I did not know that.
My question to vidvans is- Is there any shastra that prescribes how any pavitram whether hemapavitam or darbhapavitram is knotted, or is this purely done as per tradition (presumably unbroken?) and passed on orally from father craftsman to son?
Ramanathan PS
Oct 6, 2018, 5:15:47 AM10/6/18
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Kindly go through the following for details regarding the unique Payyannur pavitra, made in Kerala.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payyannur_Pavithra_ring
Ramanathan PS
Arjun Singh Thakur
Oct 6, 2018, 10:47:37 AM10/6/18
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Dear Shri Venkat Ji,
I am attaching the pages containing information about पवित्रीधरणम् from 'नित्यकर्म-पूजाप्रकाश' published by Gitapress. Relevant mantras re पवित्रीधरणम् from Shastras are also quoted. Hope it helps.
Thank you.
Arjun Singh Thakur
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venkat veeraraghavan
Oct 6, 2018, 11:05:21 AM10/6/18
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Dear Shri Arjun ji-
Thanks for the references. I did not know about mantra for wearing pavitra. I am learning new things every day!
Is there any mention in any shastra about how exactly to knot a pavitra? Or is this mainly done as per tradition wrt desha kala passed on from one generation to the next?
Thanks,
Venkat
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Arjun Singh Thakur
Oct 6, 2018, 11:16:17 PM10/6/18
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Pavitram knotted with ब्रह्मग्रन्थि is prescribed for most purposes. Below attached description found in संस्काररत्नमाला of Shri भट्टगोपीनाथदीक्षित may be helpful. (I could not understand the method clearly.)
Someone has also uploaded a video showing method of knotting ब्रह्मग्रन्थि :
The method shown in the video, however, appears to be different from the one mentioned in संस्काररत्नमाला.
Regards,
Arjun Singh Thakur
G S S Murthy
Oct 7, 2018, 2:48:24 AM10/7/18
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Respected Prof. Koradaji,
Many Thanks for clearly explaining the significance of pavitram. Incidentally, I am no Vidvan. I am a layman.
Regards,
Murthy
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Subrahmanyam Korada
Oct 7, 2018, 12:23:24 PM10/7/18
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नमो विद्वद्भ्यः
>Incidentally, I am no Vidvan. I am a layman<
This shows your विनय and विधेयता -- ’ विद्या ददाति विनयम् ’ ।
Present day students have to emulate such a behavior that clearly reflects our great tradition .
But this is not acceptable - whoever joins this विद्वत् परिषत् would be a विद्वान् / विदुषी ।
I rather discovered the concept in Panini --
तदधीते तद्वेद (पा 4-2-58 )-- the one who already knows and the one who is learning व्याकरणम् -both
are called वैयाकरणः ।
My गुरु at Andhra University , महामहोपाध्याय अप्पल्ल सोमेश्वरशर्मा , used to remark -- a person
starts and ends up like this in his thinking --
अहमेव पण्डितः - अहमपि पण्डितः - अहं पण्डितः - नाहं पण्डितः
I do support - one should try to kill his अहङ्कार / दम्भः in the first place .
इतरेभ्यः स्वस्य आधिक्यभावना दम्भः -- नागेशः ।
At the same time पतञ्जलि under जात्याख्यायां बहुवचनमन्यतरस्याम् (पा 1-2-58) registers usages
such as - पटुरहं ब्रवीमि - पण्डितो’हं ब्रवीमि ।
In आदिपर्व , महाभारतम् - गरुत्मान् says it won't be amiss to express one's capacity .
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G S S Murthy
Oct 8, 2018, 2:32:58 AM10/8/18
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नमांसि कोराडवर्येभ्यः
साहित्यतर्कनिगमस्मृतिपण्डितानां
अध्यापनाध्ययनदक्षभवद्विधानाम्।
वैदग्ध्यपूर्णविषयोचितवाक्यदीपाः
सन्दर्शयन्ति सुपथं वयमेव धन्याः॥
विदुषां विधेयः
मूर्तिः
Ramachandra Sastry
Oct 8, 2018, 1:01:19 PM10/8/18
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Namaste,
I have attached a PDF which contains info on Pavitras compiled from different sources, how a pavitra to be knot ? Different kinds of Pavitras, Swarna pavitra significance and nisheda vakyas for Jivatpitru wearing rajata pavitras.
Regards
Ramachandra Sastry
Niranjan Ni
Nov 14, 2018, 10:28:51 AM11/14/18
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Please see the attached screenshot taken from the 5th page of the document last posted on this thread by Sri Ramachandra Sastry.
Can some one tell me what metal the Kadga in the attached shloka refers to?
I thought Khadga denoted dagger.
Thanks,
Niranjan
Prakash Raj Pandey
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खड्गम् means iron.
Gowtham Sarma Mahamkali
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Is there any possibility that khadga means ivory?
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स्नाने होमे जपे दाने स्वाध्याये पितृकर्मणि । करौ सदर्भौ कुर्वीत तथा सन्ध्याभिवादने ॥
@vera raghavan ji this shloka from the the above pdf is supporting to my claim of pavitra for both the hands...
Apologies for replying after such a long break...
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