Poor condition of research in sanskrit

[pravesh vyas]

i think the condition of research is very poor in sanskrit field. most
of researchs are not for any use. there are many p.hd on the same
topic. students anyhow just completes their 300 pages and gets p.hd.
so plz tell how can we make very strict rules related to sanskrit
research. scholars can make a comitee and decide the most important
topics in every field of sanskrit research and those topics should be
given to the student.

[Dr. Yadu Moharir]

Namaste:

After reading the post I could not resist and decided to pen my perspective about the issue as seen from the eyes of a Ph.D. scientist who has been on academic advisory committees and who was involved in applied research in the various scientific fields, including Chemistry, Analytical chemistry, Material science, Semiconductors, pharmaceutical drug discovery and nutritional health industry in the US.

My sincere apologies if the post is too long or if someone thinks that is not relevant.

1. All advanced degrees do not include the "Name of the Subject" per say by itself.  I would like to draw attention of scholars to the the term "philosophy" in "Doctor of Philosophy".

2.  For any student, who desires to learn the higher all that means is the candidate is seriously interested in learning the mechanism of knowledge in a given field. (compare this with athato brhma jij~naasaa).  The responsibility for learning is for the student and is no different than ancient days when a disciple approached to a guru with humility and expressed such desire (tadviddhi praNipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa | upadekShyanti te j~naanaM j~naaninastattvadarshinaH || giitaa 4-34).

3.  In science knowledge is advancing vertically where as often Sanskrit and other "arts" subjects only concentrate on "lateral" advancement. A classic example of lateral research is academic tagging of "Sanskrit with Computer".  Even if one tags all the Sanskrit literature that exist on this planet, no computer scientist is ever going to use it to write a computer program in Sanskrit.  However, if some can do that then that candidate would certainly deserve a Ph.D.,  Just a mere compilation and collation of existing is no more than an efficient librarians job and will always remain as a carrier of "chandan bhaara" or a "sthaNu" as expressed by Saayanaacharya.

4.  Indian students who come to the West often struggle with that inability to decide on the "Research Project" for their thesis as they constantly look at the their professor and probably spend (loose) more time than the actual research.  Indian students have never been taught how to think as more emphasis has always been placed on the memorizing rather than understanding and then applying what has been memorized? This was clearly advocated by sage Manu: -  "adnyebhyo granthinaH shreShThaa granthibhyo dhaariNo varaaH |
dhaaribhyo dnyaaninaH shreShThaa dnyaanibhyo vyavasaayinaH || manusmR^iti 12.103 ||"

     The objective that was explicitly advocated by shAstra may need to be invoked here.  Above statement is applicable to all fields of disciplines.

5.  What is important to one individual may have absolute no value to the other so just forming a committee is often of little help.  The primary guidelines for a good professor in my opinion are need to that individuals ability to become a "director, navigator" and not the principle "Driver / Pilot".

6. What a students needs to learn is the critical process of thinking without compromising the observations which was perceived as evidence.

7. IMO - teacher should not be responsible spoon feeding at each and every step of the learning process, but should have the ability to direct the student so that he/she can pull him out of the rough waters only when needed and play the role a of an individual who rescues.

8.  At the end of day, a over objective of the entire exercise that make student capable of standing on his own merit, who can defend his conclusions.

9. Sanskrit is so rich and I there should be no difficulty in selecting a topic. Even a simple question why our sages expressed their views is a specific manner on a given issue often leads to wonderfully useful information only if blind faith (andha shradda) can be taken out of equation.

10.  Grammar is the bridge or a boat that is capable of delivering the intended meaning of our ancient text and hence the romance between "spirituality & Sanskrit", which has been explored by various Acharyas.

With best regards to all the esteemed scholars,

Dr. Yadu 
.

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From: pravesh vyas <praves...@gmail.com>
To: भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत् <bvpar...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:53 AM
Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Poor condition of research in sanskrit

--
अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

[Krishna kumar]

hari omh,
Sir, its very important to think about this subject, bvparishad is the
best platform to think about this. but before that you have to think
the main reason why it is happening after that you can make any rules.
myself i am representing a group of youngsters. you are thinking about
the quality of Sanskrit research, but never think how the students
will survive after there Ph.D. They are trying to complete there Ph.d,
so they will get a job for there livelihood. Minimum a U.p school job.
now this is the maximum target of a sanskrit student. you can ask any
Ph.D students, what they will do after Phd, 95% they will be silent.
reason is same. In our group itself 13 students we have completed
M.A, Mphil and Phd and special studies in manuscriptology, Computers,
NLP and other subjects. We have started our own research foundation,
reason is not getting a job.
simple example i can show you what is happening.

if a scholar joining as a lecturer as a teacher @ the age of 25, then
he will retired after 65. retirement is 60 but they can make extension
but sufferer new generation. it means more than 40 years there will be
no post in that college or school.we have to wait another 40 years to
get a post at that particular place.each year thousands of students
are coming out, we are not making new job vacancies in Sanskrit then
how we will survive. we are thinking about problems, we never thinking
about the practical problems we are facing. request to all, never
think this is an emotional comment from a person, this a comment from
a stable group.

sanskrit is so rich, but the things has to come out, for that the
youngsters has to get a platform. For that there must b a group to
promote. they have to get a chance. its a cinima dailog, if we get a
chance then only sachin tendulkar other wise he will equal to all. we
have to start job oriented programmes, traditional scholars and new
generation students has to sit together. experience of our great
scholars and advices has to get young scholars. new mufti
disciplinary subjects and research centers has to start. for that a
group committee has to make. They have to make 3 year plan or 5 year
plan to promote sanskrit. whats the things happening in India is not
sufficient for Sanskrit studies and research.

when ever the new research oriented movements will not start, students
will never come forward to study Sanskrit. We can see it in future.
The numbers of sanskrit students for admission will be less, the
standard of sanskrit studies will be come down, and as you have
already mentioned the Poor research condition. its the time to think..
otherwise new generation will never allow there children to study
sanskrit because of practical problems they faced.

as a young students if we said any thing wrong, please excuse us. as i
know bvparishad is the group of respected scholars and teachers. with
all respect to our teachers and all scholars we have tried to show
what we are facing.

गुरुर्ब्रह्म गुरुर्विष्णु गुरुर्देवो महेश्वर
गुरु साक्षात् परं ब्रह्म तस्मै श्री गुरवे नमः।।


thanking You
With regards

[Narasimhachary M]

The "poor condition  of research in Sanskrit"  is clearly reflected in the posting itself, which is full of grammatical  howlers. What the  younger generation  needs is a sound grammatical  base and flawless expression, whatever the medium of communication  be. It is a pity that standards have deplorably come down.

Prof. M.Narasimhachary

[nripendra pathak]

Sir,

'charvit-charvan' term is used regarding research works in Sanskrit. when it came in our notice that 99 researches has been already done on the concept of Atma in Sanskrit in India, then what is the need of 100th research on the same topic.... one scholar said ...'when 99th research is not opposed then why we should oppose its century. 

we must think for new and innovative topic for research so that it may contribute to academia. 

further we must think about scientific and technical research in Sanskrit.

I hope that honest researchers will get job surely but "approach method" in state university colleges must be rejected and transparent system will give us a new hope.

with positive attitudes, we can make a change.

thanks. 

 

2011/5/17 Krishna kumar <adlbna...@gmail.com>

--
अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

--
Kumar Nripendra Pathak

M.Phil. (Sanskrit Computational Linguistics)

Special Centre for Sanskrit Studies,

Jawaharlal Nehru University,

New Delhi-110067.

[Krishna kumar]

hari Omh,
if the suggestion is good then accept otherwise reject. if you feel we
are howlers, a laughable stupid blunder we have written then i am
taking back what we have written.
as i feel, language is only a medium to convey the message.if the
language is the problem then read this:
Goruvayoorambalathil poonthanam bhagavad bhajanam padi kondirikumbo
amaraprabhu ennu parayanda sthalath mara prabhu enu paranju. athu ketu
kondiruna melpathur narayana bhattathiri paranju are murkh,
maraparabhu ennalla amaraprabhu enu parayu. poonthanathinte bhagavad
bhajanam ketu kondiruna bhagavan srikrishnan paranju njan
marathinteyum amarathinteyum prabhu ennu. melpathurinte vibhaktiyekkal
enik poonathanathinte bhakti aanu ishtam enu paranju apratyakshaamayi.
ipozhum ath kanikkan vendi matram aanu guruvayooril maraprabhuvinte
rupathil krishnan nikkanath.

sir, eth langauge samsarikunnu ennathinekal parayunna aalude manasil
ulla gunavum enthinu vendi aanu parayunathum aanu pradhan.

with all respect to all

with regards

krishnakumar

[Dr. Yadu Moharir]

Namaste:

This is a loaded question but I will try to share my thoughts on this issue.

Fact:
a.   We all know the importance of grammar. 
b.   There are thousands of Sanskrit grammarians who desire to have a productive means of earning.

Could the answer be in the query itself?


IMO - We the Indians, seem to ignore the "UTILITY"  portion of our scriptures.  Where as, Western scholars continue to strive to understand the corresponding utility. In Veda, we have devataa, chhanda, and R^iShi but no one talks about the associated Viniyoga.  Sage Shaunaka while talking about this issue in bR^ihaddevataa states:
aviditvaa R^iShiM chha.ndo devataaM yogameva ca |
yo.adhyaapayejjapedvapi paapiyaajjaayate tusaH ||

I am convinced that the utility must be the real spirituality of our real vaidka inheritance.  In the above quotation, the term "yaogameva" is used and the discussion on "Yaga-Vid" thread may be able to shed some additional light on this as well. Could having forgotten the purpose for veda (viniyoga) may be respponsible for the current state of affairs as everyone keeps talking about "aatman & brhaman" that can never be verified within the possible integral limits of this world !?

All of them seem to have been attached to the vehicle and are are not prepared to get out of their comfort zone and smell the roses. The situation for their predicament was most elegantly expressed through the famous words of Shankaracharya "nai nahi rakshati DukR^i~n karaNe".

However, this may be the real answer because that is their strength and they need to use it creatively, objectively within the limits of their scholarship.

Example: A friend of mine paid $1000 to a Sanskrit scholar to decipher a portion from Charaka smahitaa. Scholar was happy to get it done.  My friend started a company based on this and now he employees over 40 Ph.D's and his company has a gross sales exceeding 60 Million dollars.

Just look at the recent article from The Hindu:

In China, a rediscovery of Sanskrit

http://www.hindu.com/2011/05/18/stories/2011051864340600.htm

All this suggests that one need to explore and become creative regardless of the outside appearance and learn to become a "Honey Bee". This best expressed in the words of Saint Dnyaneshvra maharaj.

seva.ntIye arasikAMhI.n| A.nga pAhatA.n visheSha nAhI.n | parI saurabhya neleM tihI.n| bhramarI.n jANije || j~naaneshavrii 15.595||

Meaning (liberal)  - Shevanti, appears to be like any ordinary unattractive flower for an individual who is not a connoisseur.  However, it is the  honey bee who knows how to enjoy the real fragrance.

I have come across many grammarians who have no clue of Grimms and Verners laws and the corresponding application to progress the frontiers for their own arena and also then there are those, who take help of Indian scholarship and then skew the meaning to their advantage without even acknowledging the contributions and not even acknowledge in their published materials.  Indian scholar from India, just feels good that they got the piece of the pie (dakshiNaa) and remain contented. When confronted they say and console themselves with smile on their face, that Oh, the foreigner may be some day help him get an invitation to visit abroad.

All I am saying here is that one has to make every effort and try to chart one's own destiny, but there is always a probability of 20% failure as stated in giitaa (18-14), however, 80% efforts needs to be one's own individual responsibility.

adhishhThaanaM tathaa kartaa karaNa.n cha pR^ithagvidham.h .
vividhaashcha pR^ithakcheshhTaa daiva.n chaivaatra pa~nchamam.h .. 18-14..

Best wishes,

Dr. Yadu

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From: pravesh vyas <praves...@gmail.com>

To: Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoh...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Poor condition of research in sanskrit

thank you sir for a beautiful answer. Can you suggest what can
sanskrit scholars can do for earning money besides teaching. Is there
any research society which gives money for research?

On 16 मई, 20:26, "Dr. Yadu Moharir" <ymoha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Namaste:
>
> After reading the post I could not resist and decided to pen my perspective about the issue as seen from the eyes of a Ph.D. scientist who has been on academic advisory committees and who was involved in applied research in the various scientific fields, including Chemistry, Analytical chemistry, Material science, Semiconductors, pharmaceutical drug discovery and nutritional health industry in the US.
>
> My sincere apologies if the post is too long or if someone thinks that is not relevant.
>
> 1. All advanced degrees do not include the "Name of the Subject" per say by itself.  I would like to draw attention of scholars to the the term "philosophy" in "Doctor of Philosophy".
>
> 2.  For any student, who desires to learn the higher all that means is the candidate is seriously interested in learning the mechanism of knowledge in a given field. (compare this with athato brhma jij~naasaa).  The responsibility for learning is for the student and is no different than ancient days when a disciple approached to a guru with humility and expressed such desire (tadviddhi
> praNipaatena pariprashnena sevayaa | upadekShyanti te j~naanaM j~naaninastattvadarshinaH || giitaa 4-34).
>
> 3.  In science knowledge is advancing vertically where as often Sanskrit and other "arts" subjects only concentrate on "lateral" advancement. A classic example of lateral research is academic tagging of "Sanskrit with Computer".  Even if one tags all the Sanskrit literature that exist on this planet, no computer scientist is ever going to use it to write a computer program in Sanskrit.  However, if some can do that then that candidate would certainly deserve a Ph.D.,  Just a mere compilation and collation of existing is no more than an efficient librarians job and will always remain as a carrier of "chandan bhaara" or a "sthaNu" as expressed by Saayanaacharya.
>
> 4.  Indian students who come to the West often struggle with that inability to decide on the "Research Project" for their thesis as they constantly look at the their professor and probably spend (loose) more time than the actual research.  Indian students have never been taught how to think as more emphasis has always been placed on the memorizing rather than understanding and then applying what has been memorized? This was clearly advocated by sage Manu: -  "adnyebhyo granthinaH shreShThaa granthibhyo dhaariNo varaaH |
> dhaaribhyo dnyaaninaH shreShThaa dnyaanibhyo vyavasaayinaH || manusmR^iti 12.103 ||"
>
>      The objective that was explicitly advocated by shAstra may need to be invoked here.  Above statement is applicable to all fields of disciplines.
>
> 5.  What is important to one individual may have absolute no value to the other so just forming a committee is often of little help.  The primary guidelines for a good professor in my opinion are need to that individuals ability to become a "director, navigator" and not the principle "Driver / Pilot".
>
> 6. What a students needs to learn is the critical process of thinking without compromising the observations which was perceived as evidence.
>
> 7. IMO - teacher should not be responsible spoon feeding at each and every step of the learning process, but should have the ability to direct the student so that he/she can pull him out of the rough waters only when needed and play the role a of an individual who rescues.
>
> 8.  At the end of day, a over objective of the entire exercise that make student capable of standing on his own merit, who can defend his conclusions.
>
> 9. Sanskrit is so rich and I there should be no difficulty in selecting a topic. Even a simple question why our sages expressed their views is a specific manner on a given issue often leads to wonderfully useful information only if blind faith (andha shradda) can be taken out of equation.
>
> 10.  Grammar is the bridge or a boat that is capable of delivering the intended meaning of our ancient text and hence the romance between "spirituality & Sanskrit", which has been explored by various Acharyas.
>
> With best regards to all the esteemed scholars,
>
> Dr. Yadu 
> .
>
> ________________________________

> From: pravesh vyas <praveshvya...@gmail.com>

[Jagannatha s]

Devoid of   valid information in thesis of Sanskrit Ph.D students is very serious matter. 

These are my observations in  this regard:

1.Some students with Sanskrit M.A. are not interested in Sanskrit at all ! While I  was studying M.A., more than six students had taken Sanskrit M.A. course   because they were denied entrance  in the departments of  Linguistics, Library science and Chemistry. One among them (after completion of  MA degree) got even Ph.D ! 

2. Unfortunately, Sanskrit departments of  Universities do not give necessary importance to research. Teaching and listening- these are the two mantras of the dept.s. If  teaching and listening are preferable  in M.A. classes,  in what way they are different from the classes of  primary school ?

3. First year M.A.students shall have training  on research(research methodology). Second year M.A students shall select a subject and submit a dissertation. M.Phil shall not be necessary. Needless to say, reading journals shall be necessary part of curriculum in the Varsity depts. By journals I don’t mean only journals of English. Apart from the journals like Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute Journal, the students shall read even Sanskrit  journals like Saarasvatii Sushamaa(Sampurnananda Sanskrit University, Varanasi) and Sagarika(Dr. Harisimhagowr University, Sagar, M.P.). Teaching shall be on the research topic. Discussion shall be Moolamantra in M.A and not (boring)lectures.

4.Training of writing in good Sanskrit shall be part and parcel of curriculum of  Skt.depts of the varsities.

5. Students should be given this advice: Simply quoting and making remarks(in most of the times, praising) is not sufficient. Analysis with comparing vast literature and clearly stating unacceptability of the views of the authors plus highlighting the minus points in the literature(diction, intended ideas etc) are expected. 

6.As much as possible the language of the research works  shall be Samskrta. While interacting with Sanskrit students, I found  that the students who prefer Sanskrit in their thesis are better than those who want to write their thesis in the languages other than Sanskrit. The ones who want to write in Sanskrit  do read original texts ! Of course, there are a few exceptions. 

In one of my postings(dated 6. 10. 10), I had  suggested some titles/subjects . 

I will quote them here with a few changes.

A few of them may have  already taken by  the Ph.D.students. But I don't  think  that they  belong to  चर्वितचर्वण category! 

1.The  art Avadhaaana or focusing/concentrating. Its situation in various  states, particularly Karnataka-Dr. R.Ganesh's presentations.

2.Modern ``Vedic'' literature-(Modern Sanskrit works employing vedic language)

 Maharshi Daivarata.(Chandodarshana)  , Navala Kishora Kankar(Rashtraveda), and Swami Vedabharati(Chaandasii)

3.Vedapaadastavas.

4.Veda citation traditions- Gurukulas in Kerala, Matturu(Karnataka),Mysore etc..

5.Madhusudan Ojha’s contribution to Vedic studies.

6.Sanskrit translations from various languages: Kannada, Tamilu, Telugu,
Malayalam, Gujarathi, Hindi, Bengali - foreign languages like French
and German.

7.Vishistadvaita-dravida works from the pen of  Prativaadibhayankara
Annangaraachaarya in the magazine-Vaidikamanoharaa.

8.Saankhya and Hariharananda Vidyaaranya.

9.Saccidaanandendra Saraswathi's  ‘back to  Shankara' movement. His
works on Adhyasabhaashya. (Sacchidaanandendra Saraswathi was a  non-
traditional  scholar of  our times).


10.Modern Sanskrit works on Vyakarana.Vyakarana darshana(Philosophy of Sanskrit grammar) in three
works :Vyakaranadarshana pratimaa, Vyakaranadarshana piithikaa and
Vyaakaranadarshana bhuumikaa by Raamaajnaapandeya.

11.Modern Sanskrit woks on Linguistics.Yubhaatah Bhaaratam prati by
Dr.G.B.Palasule is highlighted.

Charudevashastri’s ‘Purifying’  Sanskrit usages with uncompromising firmness. Shabdapashabdaviveka and Vagvyavaharadarsha highlighted.

12.Advaita works- commentaries  on Advatasiddhi-Narendranatha Bagachi of
Bengal and Narayanabhatta of Sringeri.

13.Works of refutation and counter refutations: Particularly from Mathas
of southern India-(Even though they generate heated arguments, they do
give very useful  scholarly guidances like those of  Anantacharya of  Melukote).

14.Works of Navinanyaya-Ramanuja Tatacharya

15.Commentaries of Tarkasangraha- Shaktisanjiivini of Karur Ramashastri
and and Tarkasangrahasarvasva of Kuruganta Ramashastri highlighted

16.Uttamuru Viraraghavacharya's contributions to various shastras.

17.Vaakyaarthas(open debates on traditional  lines.)in Navadvipa,
Bangalore, Bhavanagar, Kerala, Andhrapradesha, Kashi, Mithila  and
elsewhere. Vaakyaarthasabhaas in various mathas.

17.Modern  research works / thesis/ analytical essays  in Sanskrit.

18.High quality research journals in Sanskrit: Special reference of
Saaraswathii Sushama and Saagarikaa.

19.Modern commentaries on Shastric works- particularly Navyanyaaya.
Panchalakshanii, Chaturdashalakshanii are highlighted.

20.Sanskrit Magazines- Some of the  extinct Magazines- Highligting
Sarvagandhaa(Luknow),Vijnanacintamani(Kozikod), Candrika(Pune).

21.A study of  the works by Shree Krishna Brahmatantra parakalasvami

22. Sanskrit Lyrics – traditional Sanskrit classical  music- Sadashiva
brahmendra, Swatitirunal so on and so forth.

23.Post independence Sanskrit literature: Mahakaavyas, Khandakaavyas,
novels, short stories, juvenile literature.

24.Yakshagaanas in Sanskrit.
Music literature in
Sanskrit.

25.Bhattashri Mathuranathashastri and his works. Use of metres of  the
languages other  than Sanskrit.

26.Modern Sanskrit works(pure literature and Shastric works) in various states of our country.

27.Manuscriptological studies in Modern Sanskrit- (Kuvalayananda-paatha-samshodhanam- an article published at Pathashala journal, Mysore) discussion on texts in modern Sanskrit works-(like Kuvalayaananda-chandrikaa-chakora) -Textual discussions in Sanskrit research articles. Sanskrit introductions.(like, Bhargavashastri's introduction to Mahabhashya.)

28.Contributions from the states (UP/MP/Karnataka/ AP/Kerala, TN, Maharashtra/Orissa/Jharkhand/Westbengalso on and so forth) to  Modern Sanskrit literature/modern Sanskrit Shastric works.


Jagannatha.

[Jagannatha s]

Please read may be taken for may have  already taken.

[Veeranarayana Pandurangi]

Importance of thinking new

It is a proved factor, irrespective of field concerned, that development is based

on the innovation and creative thinking. Without the innovation no field can sustain

for long. It is simply the innovative thinking of great masters in Nyaya and Vyakarana

that earned these Sastras reputation in the history of humanities. The greatness

imposed upon the texts and undue invincibility of their authors seems to be the

culprit of creating a hindrance in thinking new. But the history of Navya Nyaya

belies such a false notion. The very birth of Navya Nyaya was the result of un-

acceptability of theories of Old Nyaya by Navya Naiyayikas. In fact the Nyaya itself

is totally based on the rational thinking and unbiased openness rather than on the

authority of some scriptures. These openness and innovative ideas are the main cause

of its popularity across the philosophical line. Even the very hard conservative

Vedantins and Mimamsakas have readily accepted the language of Navya Nyaya even

many of its theories.

Udayana, Gangesa, Bhasarvajna, Vallabha, Raghunatha etc. stand out as the

representatives of innovation. There would not have been the Tattvacintamani had all

the theories of Udayana been acceptable for Gangesa. Similar is the case of

Raghunatha and Gadadhara. Here a famous line of Gadadhara comes to the mind as

to “No illogical-diktat of an author will block us from accepting something based on

the power if reasoning”.

What was the need of Nagesa writing Laghumanjusa if only great authorities

were to write such texts. Similarly, criticism of Sankara’s interpretation by the

Bhaskara, Ramanuja and Madhva would have been simply unwarranted were

only Sankara to preserve rights on Brahmasutra. We would have lost the theory of Anvitabhidhanavada were Prabhakara to be banned from writing his commentary

on Sabara. All these developments show that innovative thinking is the key to development.

You need not be a great scholar to write a critique on Gadadhara. Only time

can test the stuff of material we produce. Academicia will throw out if the critique

is really bad. Time is the testing factor and not the contemporary status of critic or

criticized. Nobody can make state “Nobody would be let to criticize the Gadadhara

till I live”. Stating such things is simply an act of betraying ones ignorance. It is

arrogance without limit. Gadadhara or Jagadisa would have certainly frowned upon

such simpletons.

If any University is content of framing syllabus of all the old stuff and

hindering the new development, then it will become a big museum of dead concepts/

works, where the professors will perform the art of taxidermists.

All these amply illustrate that the need of innovative thinking is the key to

development. But this kind of innovation is dying in both Sastras, and so are the

Sastras. The texts and theories being studied nowadays are at least three hundred

years old. Yes, there are hundreds of Krodapatras written by scholars till the first

quarter of 20th century, but very few of them are innovative either in their content or

style. Most of them are dissections or fortifications done in defense of Gadadhara or

Jagadisa or somebody else, completely lacking new thinking.

For the last one hundred years there is no change of syllabus in Nyaya.

Sometimes even same editions are in prescription for the whole century. It is same

for the research also. Very few theses are devoted to new approach. This type of

monotonous teaching and research is killing the golden goose. 

2011/5/17 Krishna kumar <adlbna...@gmail.com>

--
अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

--

Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Head, Dept of Darshanas,
Yoganandacharya Bhavan,
Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Rajasthan Samskrita University, Madau, post Bhankrota, Jaipur, 302026.

अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।

[Veeranarayana Pandurangi]

dear jagannathaji, it is a fantastic list ideal carriculam. I hope this will be taken by people.

Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Head, Dept of Darshanas,
Yoganandacharya Bhavan,
Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Rajasthan Samskrita University, Madau, post Bhankrota, Jaipur, 302026.

अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।

[Rajendran C]

Dear Dr.Pandurangi, How correct you are! In fact, progressive updating of knowledge was highlighted by several Sastrakaras of the past Just see: 1.The dictum Yahtottaram muninam pramanyam in Vyakarana means that earleir authors were  deemed to be supplemented /reconsidered bythose who came late. 2Abhinavagupta clearly hints at linear progression of knowledge in his famous verse.Urdhvordhvamaruhya yadarthatattvam dhih pasyati srantim avedayanti etc. 3.In astronomy, periodic correction of earlier calculations were systematically carried out as in Parahita/drksiddha modes in Kerala. 4.Ayurvedic texts like Susrutasamhiata were systematically updated  through Pratisamskarana We Indians have to learn a lot from Western scholars working on Indology:how linguistics ,   especially phonetics  and Comparative linguistics were renovated with inputs from Sanskrit. Great scholars like Saussure  and , may be even Chomsky must have received such inputs. So regaining our lost tradition of innovativeness is the need of the hour.We should encourage free thinking as in the past, when Indian philosophers dared to disagree with even great names in search of truth Dr.C.Rajendran www.crajendran.com Professor of Sanskrit University of Calicut Calicut University P.O Kerala 673 635 Phone: 0494-2401144 Residential address:28/1097,Rajadhani Kumaran Nair Road, Chevayur, Calicut Kerala 673 017 Phone: 0495-2354 624 --- On Fri, 5/20/11, Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veer...@gmail.com> wrote:

[hnbhat B.R.]

2Abhinavagupta clearly hints at linear progression of knowledge in his famous verse.Urdhvordhvamaruhya yadarthatattvam dhih pasyati srantim avedayanti etc.

Thanks Prof. Rajendran for recalling my favorite verse of Abhinavagupta:

 

ऊर्ध्वोर्ध्वमारुह्य यदर्थतत्त्वं धीः पश्यति श्रान्तिमवेदयन्ती।

फलं तदाद्यैः परिकल्पितानां विविकसोपानपरम्पराणाम्॥

I think the above reflects the height of his thinking at the same time his humility towards the contribution of the ancestors. A very lofty idea for each Researcher of today to be born in mind. In continuation, he lists how to expose any idea in the text, as he has done in his अभिनवभारती, i.e. the method of commenting he followed in his commentary on नाट्यशास्त्र.

-
Dr. Hari Narayana Bhat B.R.
EFEO,
PONDICHERRY

[nagaraja m c]

Dhanyavad for the lively discussion on the net about the Researches in Samskrit. Today's generation belongs to a hybrid generation. Retaining the past, understanding the present, a new thing is to be evolved. Even our shastrakaaraas have very effectively conveyed the same as posted by the senior scholars.

But the pity is that the students both those study Shastras and others (who have taken samskrit as an optional in their degree classes) are not getting any information of the need to graze the lush green field of ancient Indian Knowledge.

As an example, we are only taught about kavyas in the degree classes. We had no information about any shastras during that time. But when we came to masters, we were introduced with all the shastras at a time. We had never even heard about the shastras before. I am not telling that we faced any hardships, but could there be any information about all those in the degree. So that the next generations of the students are atleast aware of the Shastras, streams. In the beginning, let there be an "INTRODUCTION, HISTORY, MAIN CONCEPTS" etc, just as information. This will atleast let the students to think about those in the days to come. It should feed all the relevant information in those classes. At least these could help to revive the information which has not reached the masses.

So I strongly feel, that the samskritists should release the ancient Indian knowledge in this forms.

I feel so because the ancient Scientific treatises are either not known or the present day students eventhough are highly qualified in the modern sciences are not able to think about the ancient Indian knowledge storehouse.

I feel, these could be pondered over and even I feel this could be (????) the need of the day.

2011/5/21 hnbhat B.R. <hnbh...@gmail.com>

--

[Jagannatha s]

Respected scholars,

As I observed, Shastric research works coming out from Sanskrit Universities are  good. Particularly, the research works published by Sampurnananda Sanskrit University are really best. Even Sanskrit introductions  brim over information.  I was much delighted to read Sanskrit introduction of the renowned scholar Sri  Vrajavallabhadvivedi to his edition of Nitya-shodashikarnava. Even very good scholarly works (like  Paribhashendushekhara pub. at RSVP, Tirupati) are published by Skt.Varsities. 

But the pathetic condition is in the skt.departments of general Universities. No research, no seminar, no encouragement  to read Shastras.  

Command over (any) language  means  studying and experimenting with pure literature. It is  in the pure literature we have more idioms, more proverbs, more verities of expressions, more sentence patterns, more verbs so  on and so forth.I do not think that the  downfall of education in Skt.departments caused by Kavyas. But not giving least importance to the commentaries do cause degradation.  Even after having M.A in Sanskrit, most of the students do not have idea about what a commentary is and that  is bad. Prescribing any kavya portion with commentaries will make the  situation better, I suppose. As much as  possible,the  shastric references seen in the commentaries shall be explained. It  will create curiosity to study original shastric  works.

Even in the Pathashala system, first, kavya portions  from the  famous pancha-mahakavyas are taught. Subhashitas and Stotras will follow. 

But I am not against for prescribing  shastric texts. My suggestion is, any short shastric texts  like Tarkasangraha are preferable and not Prakarana works like (Advaita)Vedanta Paribhasha. Without least idea of navya-nyaya, how can the students understand Vedanta paribhasha? Some portions of Arthashastra are preferable. In Siddhantakaumudi, Sandhi samasa and Karaka, as might  be expected. 

Along with the history of Sanskrit literature, history of  various shastras may be prescribed.

Practice of  composing of  verses  in various metre shall be compulsory. It gives good command over Chandas. Along with vrittaratnakara, Pingala chandassutra shall be considered while determining syllabus. All of us know that many shastric works are in verses.  

Referring, reading and study of research articles shall be necessary part of  MA course. After giving required  training, a fake seminar shall be organized. In this seminar, even the professors shall present their papers. They have to  commit mistakes purposely. This is to test ability of the students to point out the mistakes like, not giving proper reference, unrelated arguments, grammatical blunders, not maintaining link between the title and the main body of the article, not giving the bibliography- so on and so forth. A real seminar may be conducted when the students will be mentally ready to present papers  (In the law colleges, fake court proceedings are conducted to  train the students).

In Pathashala system, after sahitya, various shastras are studied and they are optional. But in M.A., it is not possible. I  venture to suggest that no subject may  be optional and every subject may be considered compulsory to every student.   

I must say a few words regarding science. The words  Political science and Library science suggest that the word science is more  than the  subjects like Microbiology and  Astrophysics. Manuscriptology is considered as science of Manuscripts. If the Sanskritists  neglect command over Sanskrit itself  and  always talk about ``scientific'' subjects, they lose both  IHA and PARA. It  is quiet natural that without sound background of physics, nobody shall be able to find the theories  of  physics hinted in Sanskrit shastras. 

Shallow arguments do not appease  any scientist. We have to concentrate on what is available and not what must be available.  Study of even Alankaras of pure literature  in scientific  manner makes Alankaric science ! 

Science is not limited to Microbiology and Astrophysics.

It  is my personal experience that  a professor of Botony   frequently grumbles about repetition in the topics for  research  taken by Ph.D students of Botony. 

[Dr. T. Ganesan]

Sri Jagannath has clearly brought out the importance of including the
commentaries in the M.A. Sanskrit curriculam. Subscribing fully to his germane
views I will add the importance of including some portions of the great
epic--Mahabharata also as well as some passages from some Purana-s. Indeed it is
the greatest treasure that we have in these unrivalled texts. Even for the
simple reading of these texts they are worth and I feel, Sanskrit students
should be introduced to them. Thereby they become exposed to the different
literary patters--on the one hand the immortal kavya-s of greatest poets and on
the other, the divinely simple and enriching utterances of our forefathers, the
great sages.
In fact some of the western universities do have certain portions from the
Mahabharata and even prose passages from the Brahmana texts.
Ganesan

Respected scholars,
>
> As I observed, Shastric research works coming out from *Sanskrit
> Universities* are good. Particularly, the research works published by

> what *is* available and not what *must be* available. Study of even
> Alankaras of pure literature in *scientific manner* makes Alankaric
> science !
> *
> *
> *Science is not limited to Microbiology and Astrophysics.*

>>>> his famous verse.*Urdhvordhvamaruhya yadarthatattvam dhih pasyati
>>>> srantim avedayanti* etc.

[Jagannatha s]

Respected scholars,

A good suggestion is given by Dr. T.Ganesan regarding inclusion of some portions from Mahabharata and Brahmana. I would like to add Ramayana.

Now  I will try to suggest a  syllabus for  Sanskrit M.A.keeping  three points in my mind :

1.Creativity (creativity is not a sin ! ).

2.Research mentality. 

3.Command over Samskrta.  

I.TEXTS

Portions from Ramayana,(sundarakanda for beauty of language) Mahabharata(bhishmaparvan/dronaparvan/

karnaparvan for  war technique) vidulopakhyana, Aitareyabrahmana(Shunahshepha), Ashtadhyayi(at least some sutras shall be learnt by heart in the order of Ashtadhyayi), Bhattikavya, Siddhantakaumudi, Gautamadharmasutra, Tarkasangraha, Padyakavyas(Kiratarjuniya, Naishadha, etc.),Campuramayana,  initial chapters of  Mahabhashya(paspashahnika), Arthashastra and  Charakasamhita, Natyashastra, Mricchakatika, Mudrarakshasa, Amarakosha, Bhojaprabandha.

While teaching Bhojaprabandha the students shall be warned  that  the stories narrated in this work don't have historical value. 

II.Practicals:

Writing general  essays like वाल्मीकिमहर्षेर्भाषायां सौन्दर्यात्मका अंशाः, आयुर्वेदभिन्नेषु लौकिकव्यवहारेषु चरकसंहितया कृतं मार्गदर्शनम् etc..

Research articles like अर्थशास्त्र-मुद्राराक्षसयोः संबन्धः, चम्पूरामायणव्याख्याता रामचन्द्रबुधेन्द्रस्तस्य पाण्डित्यं च।

Composition of verses in various metres. While doing this students may  imitate the famous verses as shown by Kshemendra:

वाण्यर्थाविव संपृक्तौ वाण्यर्थप्रतिबुद्धये।

विश्वस्य जनकौ सेवे शर्वाणीशशिशेखरौ।।

Antyakshari programme.

III.Seminars(one fake seminar and two/three real seminars.)

IV.Quiz programme: 

(Q:What is the name of  the Ramayana commentary  of Govindaraja? A: Bhushana. Q:There are two works. One work belongs to  Vyakarana and another, Alankara. Both have the same name. What is the name?  A:Saraswathikanthabharana.Q:Which is the most recent commentary written on  Tattvamuktakalapa? A: Sarvankasha,by Vidwan K.S.Varadacharya. Q:A poet of last century employed various Hindi/bhojapuri/avadhi metres in his Samskrta poems. Name the  poet and his works.A:Bhattashree Mathuranathashastri- Jayapuravaibhava, Sahityavaibhava and Govindavaibhava. Q:Who  authored Siddhahemashabdanushasana? A:Hemachandra.Q:Who wrote Skt commentaries to Muulasuutras to all Shad-darshanas in the last century? A: Hariprasada vaidika muni.)

V.Reading the introductions of Skt works-preferably skt.introductions. Students shall be urged to  notice the variants shown.How  do these variants occur? (An important part of Manuscriptology). Whether the printed editions have necessary indices or not. Reading journals/research articles. A discussion panel shall be formed. This panel shall raise questions regarding the research articles. These are the questions(tentative). Has the author  of this research article maintained the link between the main body and the title? Are his/her arguments valid? Is there any mistake in the bibliography added? Are there any printing devils? Is there any wrong citation?

It is not correct to argue that the repetitions may be avoided by linking science with Sanskrit-related titles.चर्वितचर्वण is possible even in the science-related titles. Studying pure literature ``scientifically'' is not an offence. The professors of Physics/Chemistry/ Biology do not  try to appease the Sanskritists. 

[Jagannatha s]

Please read संयुक्तौ  for संपृक्तौ

[Rajendran C]

It is  garitfying that Sanskrit works coming from some Sanskrit Universities are of good quality,but their impact on society is very less. Sanskrit scholars of the traditional lines are not regarded as a part of intelligentsia. Exposure to Sastras is almost nil to mainstream culture. Sanskrit sholars working in Sanskrit universities are not able to communicate to the outside world in internationally understood languages like English.This was not the condition during the colonial period.At that time, great Indian Universities produced stalwarts like Suniti Kumar Chatterji,P.V.Kane V.Raghavan,Hiriyanna and Radhakrishnan who were scholars in their chosen field and methodoligically thorough to address the International community.So sanskrit made impressive presence at that time.Now these University departments are dwindling without any support.No fresh recruitments, no sizeable number of students, no government grants .If Sanskrit is to regain the lost glory, Government of India should see that 1.Sanskrit Universities are made aware of global Indological research 2.There  is more international collaboration 3.Traditional scholars are to be appointed inDepartments of sanskrit in General Universities along with modern scholars to restore the balance.

Dr.C.Rajendran www.crajendran.com Professor of Sanskrit University of Calicut Calicut University P.O Kerala 673 635 Phone: 0494-2401144 Residential address:28/1097,Rajadhani Kumaran Nair Road, Chevayur, Calicut Kerala 673 017 Phone: 0495-2354 624

--- On Sat, 5/21/11, Jagannatha s <jgra...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jagannatha s <jgra...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Re: Poor condition of research in sanskrit To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com

[ASHOK GUDSOORKAR]

Dear Scholars,

We should indeed thank Dr S Jagannatha for offering good suggestions of topics to be included for MA(Sanskrit) syllabus. However, one point is to be taken into consideration.  The suggestion is perfectly all right if the students joining MA come from BA(Sanskrit) or BOL or from traditional schools of Sanskrit.   However, there are some Universities, who admit students with Sanskrit(as second language only) to MA(Sanskrit) directly.. This is being done with good intention of promoting studies in Sanskrit. But since the knowledge of Sanskrit of  these students is skin-deep, they may face difficulty, in studying the subjects(as suggested by Dr Jagannath) thoroughly, in MA.

Those who frame the Syllabi may kindly consider this. With respects,

--Dr Ashok Gudsoorkar

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On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Jagannatha s <jgra...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Scholars,

[Ram Sharma]

Thanks,Jagannatha Ji.I am forwarding your detailed "kumbhasaagaram" to Prof Tripathi,VC R.Sk.S. for active consideration.

Long live Jagannatha !

    All the best,

      Ram Karan Sharma

---

From: Jagannatha s <jgra...@gmail.com>
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, May 22, 2011 10:16:45 AM

Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Re: Poor condition of research in sanskrit

[Jagannatha s]

Dear scholars, I thank all of you for continuation of discussion.

I  would like to add something to this discussion. But I will do it tomorrow as I am busy now. 

I am  very grateful to Dr.Rama Karan Sharma  for bringing my postings to the notice of Prof.Dr. RadhavallabhaTripathi.

Respected Rama Karna Sharma sir, there  is a  humble request from my side. Please  don't use the expressions like Long live Jagannatha.

[Jsra Prasad]

Thanks to all scholars, especially Prof.Jagannatha ji and Pandurangi ji for sharing their valuable opinions, since I echo  their views. During our Ayuryoga conference in 2010, we conducted a small quiz program in ayurveda for school children. About 200 pupils have attended amidst their exams. We further planned to extend it to all city level KV schools. Attached is the file that contains the set of questions. Hope, it may be useful for someone interested.

Regards,
Prasad

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Jagannatha s <jgra...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Jagannatha s]

Dear scholars,
I  read quiz paper. It will arouse curiosity in the literature as well subject.I am very happy that   Dr.Jsra Prasad has brought  it to the  notice of  the members of BVParishat.Thank you sir.

Now, my humble response to the postings of   Dr. C. Rajendran and Dr. Ashok Gudsoorkar.

First, I would like to mention an  incident. Some forty years ago(I don't know the exact year) Vidwan T.G.Siddapparadhya wrote his   thesis, Shakti-vishishtaadvaita-darshanam   in Sanskrit.When he tried to submit the same to Skt.dept. of Mysore University for Ph.D degree , he had  to face strong objection . Prof. R.Ramachandrarao put all the objections aside and allowed submission. Now a days nobody objects writing thesis in Samskrita. All the Skt.Universities demand Skt thesis for Vidyavaridhi. Needless to say, the Universities like  Sampurnananda University, where the degree Vidya-vachaspathi is conferred, does want only Skt.thesis(as far as I’m aware). 

Without writing in English, scholars cannot have recognition. Tthat was exactly what was happened  in the case of Prof.T.G.Siddapparadhya's Skt.thesis.

I think there is a solution. If we mention Skt research/informative articles in our reseach works,  they will attract the attention of  the international scholars' community. I had  written a short work Pundarika in Kannada based on Kadambari. In the introduction I  had  mentioned edition of Bhattashri Mathuranathashastri and  quoted some sentences from his skt. introduction. Some Kannada scholars showed keen interest in it.

As  Dr. C.Rajendran has said, communication gap caused by lack of English knowledge is another minus point to be  noted.

Some Skt. students from the foreign countries  come to me for guidance. Basically they are Yoga students. While teaching them I  use Skt. and not English. They not only understand, but also appreciate. When I visited Skt. dept, Chennai (NCC project headed by Prof. Siniruddha Dash)  a scholar(I forgotten his name) told  me that he frequently goes to England and teach Vedantic works to the Students. His students are from the countries like Japan, America and S.Africa. The language medium is Skt in his class.

Dr.C. Rajendran opines  that during the time of British Raj, we had so many stalwarts like P.V.Kane, V.Raghavan and  Hiriyanna. They became famous  not only because  of their works brimming over information and analysis , but also because of their use of English of very high rank. Yes sir, you are  correct and there is  no iota of doubt.

Even in the works  of   Skt writers(Ramajna Pandeya, for example), we can notice brilliance. As I suggested earlier,we may mention them in our research works. Even though the situation of  not recognizing the  skt.research works  will  not change overnight, we can definitely improve the situation.
kaalo vaa kaaraNa.m raajno raajaa vaa kaalakaaranam/
iti te samshayo maa bhuud raajaa kaalasya kaaranam// 

The following suggestions of Dr. C.Rajendran shall be considered very seriously and nobody can raise any objection.:-
 

1.Sanskrit Universities are made aware of global Indological research.

2.There  is more international collaboration

3.Traditional scholars are to be appointed in Departments of Sanskrit in General Universities along with modern scholars to restore the balance.

Now, let me say a few words regarding
Dr. Ashok Gudsoorkar's letter. The problem he pointed out is very common to almost all the skt.departments of the Universities. The students are of various Skt.backgrounds like Traditional, language, major subject etc.I  do endorse the opinion of  Dr.Ashok Gudsoorkar.

Keeping Dr.Ashok Gudsoorkar's  valuable opinion in mind, I venture to suggest that the Professors in the dept.s shall be given freedom to make some changes in the prescribed syllabus. (For some students, he/she may teach second sarga of Kiratarjuniiya and for other students, Pratimanataka.)  By experience, they do know the students' different grasping levels (But in this case, setting question paper causes headache).

I have heard that there was a scholar in Melukote in the last century who did not directly teach either Ashtadhyayi or Siddhantakaumudi.He taught only Kavyas with commentaries. The grammatical citations in the commentaries he would explain fully. As  a result, his students, clearly understood Ashtadhyayi without need of any teaching !

The main theme of  these postings is, how to generate research mentality in students/what shall  be done regarding poor quality in the thesis of Skt.students. Here also one may consider various mental levels of the students and different methods to arouse ``research-curiosity''.

The result is important and not the process. Any different suggestions to generate research mentality in Skt.students are most welcome.

S.Jagannatha.

[SHRINIVASA VARAKHEDI]

The inputs by Dr. Jagannath, Dr. Veeranayana and other scholars are highly appreciated. Newly established Samskrita University in Karnataka is going to frame statutes for its Research Degree in near future. These discussions and suggestions will be useful for the same. Thanks a lot.

Some thoughts on procedure of Research course in practice.

1. In all most all Sanskrit versities the same procedure is followed during the admission to the research course. The Research scholar has to appear to an interview along with a proposal for his research which includes the discipline, topic, title and chapter-wise division plan of his thesis etc. The proposal once admitted by the doctoral committee on the table will be final. This practice limits the scope of research.

2. The research students are allotted to a guide with out the consent of both. Neither their research interests, nor their mutual relation is considered. This is another barrier.

3. No scope for interdisciplinary research as the research admission is possible with in the department of one discipline, where proper guide is not available.

4. No foundation courses in either in research within the faculty or in allied subjects are not made compulsory to the research scholars.

In the contrast modern universities (Not state universities) have changed their system. Some ideas drawn from these systems are given here.

1. The Research students must be given enough time after his admission in the research course and he must gain good amount of idea for his research and its methodology, which prepares him with good grounding for research. Hence, He must actively spend time with his guide and in courses at least for one year.

2. After one year student must submit a proposal for his research for which a spl doctoral committee should be constituted. This committee must supervise the progress every 6 months. Student may be allowed to finalise the title when he arrives at conclusion  one year /six months before submission.

3. Student may be given freedom to chose his guide/guides according to availability. Sufficient time may be given to students to do this exercise. 

regards,

shrivara

--
warm regards,
shri.varakhedi
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Prof. Shrinivasa Varakhedi, Ph.D
Director, (Recipient of Presidents Award)

Directorate of Karnataka State Sanskrit Education 
Karnataka Samskrita University,

Pampa Mahakavi Road, Chamaraj Pet,

Bengaluru - 560018

Mobile : +91-94853-01353
Ph Off :  +91-80-26705596
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Director (On Leave)

Sanskrit Academy, 

Osmania University

Hyderabad 07

[Jagannatha s]

Thank you Prof. Shrinivasa Varakhedi  for informing this. This is really better. The ones who are behind this new research environment are laudable. 

Now, two other important points may be discussed.

1.Some students are suggested by the guides to take any unpublished work available in at least three manuscripts for  research. The candidates face difficulty here for various reasons. First of  all nonavailability of  three manuscripts of same work(in good  condition). Some students know nothing about manuscripts. Why are they suggested to take unpublished works available only in manuscripts for  research?. Second problem is the directors of Manuscript Libraries (sometimes)hesitate or  absolutely refuse  to  give them permission to take photos of  the mss(in spite of their having official letters duly signed by their guides).In such a case, what shall the candidates do ?
2.If the candidate, after registration, wants to change the title/subject, with the consent of the guide, he/she can do this by remitting some fees.Why shall the candidate spend the money for  merely changing the title?  

[piyali palit]

Namaste, Varakhediji. I take this opportunity to inform you that Jadavpur University (a State University of WB) has implemented new admission policy for Ph. D programme. You may check details of the admission/submission procedure on their website at www.jadavpur.edu During my headship in 2010 in the Dept. of Philosophy, I conducted admissions to Ph. D programme there and I found it quite reasonable since the candidate had to appear before the Departmental Ph.D Committee constituted with internal and external experts nominated by the BOS in Philosophy. After selection candidates are allowed to register their name and area of research only. They also go for course in Research Methodology and two other optional courses (mandatory for those who donot have M.Phil). It is only after that or after six months they are again called up by the Ph.D Committee for confirmation of their research guide/supervisor and title of thesis. Through this six months after registration they are requested to do enough of library works/survey in consultation with the teachers of the department. It makes both the researcher and the guide-supervisor comfortable. In case of inter-disciplinary research research under joint guidance of at least two teachers are suggested and taken up. For example, a candidate selected a research on ''Analogical Reasoning" and he proposed my name as guide-supervisor jointly with Prof. Mihir Chakraborti, Dept. of Mathematics, Calcutta University and Visiting Professor in Cognitive Science, JU. It was accepted and confirmed by the Committee after review. For researches in Sanskrit, I strongly feel that this type of systematization is extremely necessary where external experts and scholars from other fields also play an important role and contribute at large. Best regards. Piyali Palit ICCR Chair of Professor in Sanskrit & Indian Philosophy School of Indological Studies Mahatma Gandhi Institute Mauritius --- On Wed, 25/5/11, SHRINIVASA VARAKHEDI <shri...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: SHRINIVASA VARAKHEDI <shri...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Re: Poor condition of research in sanskrit

[Rajendran C]

Dear Dr.Varakhedi, So happy to learn that you are in the process of  formulating statues for PhD Admission.I wish to bring to your kind attention some nagging problems of   research 1.Total communication gap among various universities and the consequent duplication of research projects . 2.The total neglect of the fundamental Maryada of research , ie.review of literature , and the pretension  that a research thesis comes into being from  the void. 3.The unwillingness to articulate the conclusions of the study.Is it because there is nothing new to say? 4.Decline in  general reading. I know these cannot be cured overnight, but it is high time that we make a beginning .I have the following suggestions to make 1.Complete digitisation of all the theses which have been awarded degree. 2.Preparation and periodic updating of encyclopedias in various branches of Indology like the Vedic studies, Kavyas, Itihasas, Puranas and Darsanas, as admirably done by stalwarts like Professor George Cardona. 3.Both the research scholar and the research guide should submit a check list assuring that the thesis contains some original ideas which have not been articulated before by anybody else. 4.Universal norms for  methodology 5.Open defence if it is not implemented. 6At least one adjudicator should be from a different state. 7Periodic monitoring of the work of the candidate to ensure quality at different level.

Dr.C.Rajendran www.crajendran.com Professor of Sanskrit University of Calicut Calicut University P.O Kerala 673 635 Phone: 0494-2401144 Residential address:28/1097,Rajadhani Kumaran Nair Road, Chevayur, Calicut Kerala 673 017 Phone: 0495-2354 624

--- On Thu, 5/26/11, piyali palit <piya...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

[prafulla mishra]

Why there is poor research  in sanskrit?

Many sanskrit students and teachers guiding them are notadequetly trained for research.

Many of them have no commitment. They donot peoperly scrutinize the matter. nor do they have continuous collection of information.

Sanskrit students get very little amount for fellowship.Many donot get. No systematic library with data bank is not available,.Poor students doing research are hunting after small jobs for which they donot justify thr research. Senior people in positions promote neopotism and curruption forwhich good students are dissartenedBriefluyusly  viewed and  speaking the reaech is not serio taken care of It is the govt that has great resposible to promote.

PrafullaKmishra

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From: Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veer...@gmail.com>
To: jgra...@gmail.com; bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 7:58:28 PM

Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Poor condition of research in sanskrit

dear jagannathaji, it is a fantastic list ideal carriculam. I hope this will be taken by people.

.    

[om prakash vyas]

I am happy to see that present generation of Sanskrit scholars are making sincere efforts to regain its lost glory. The state of affairs in poor research is also because of the fact that those who were at the whelm of affairs in the past themselves were not aware of research techniques and methodologies. If at all some of them were aware they only promoted their family members/near and dears. Its nice to see that now those personal fiefdoms are getting demolished and real serious scholars are emerging.

Good Luck.

op

[Krishna kumar]

Respected All,
i am happy to see that our small comment has given a good discussion in bvparishat, same time please excuse me if said something wrong in my first comment . with all respect to our teachers and scholars, as a student, we are taking our responsibility of our lack of communication in languages. i would like to say, it was not only our mistake. we never get a chance to know what is happening in other institutions.  Medium of communication in our college was always in our mother language. The basic syllabus book was not available in our library. There is no need to say about reference books and journals. 99% of students in our college was not aware of computers. In P.G there was no English paper at all, exception was only one book philology. there was no proper guidance.

whenever we are not getting proper guidance how we will make a goal in our life. we are not aware that, in India how many sanskrit centers are working. we are accepting that thousands of Great Sanskrit scholars are working in research field. but as a student when ever we are not getting a chance to know about the respected scholars,  how we will gain knowledge from them. there must be a plat form where we will get guidance of this great scholars. Really we are missing that part in our research studies, our college syllabus is not sufficient for us to work in the research field. we need these great scholars traditional knowledge support.
respected teachers and great scholars in bvparishat will be be able to make a platform for the same purpose. it will be the great support for our future research.

thanking You

Krishnakumar

[narayanan er]

तदेवोच्यते-
पदवाक्यप्रमाणाद्यैर्विद्यां समुपबृंहयेत्। बिभेत्यल्पसुताद्विद्या मामयं प्रहरेदिति।। इति।
अपि चोक्तम्-
पदन्यायादिशास्त्रैश्च विद्यामाराधयेज्जनः। पदन्यायविहीनस्य विद्याऽऽवेशस्तु दुष्करः।। इति च।
एतदप्युच्यते-
गुरुशुश्रूषया लब्धा विद्या ज्ञेया सरस्वती। विद्यानिलयसम्भ्रान्तः केवलोपाधिमान्नरः।। इति च।

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From: Krishna kumar <adlbna...@gmail.com>
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, 2 June, 2011 12:52:47 PM

[pravesh vyas]

thanks everybody for precious suggestions and discussion upon the
topic. i am very grateful to all. i have one more request if we can
give some examples of researchs in sanskrit field in modern relevant
which became very useful to the society, like works of
k.ramasubramunyams(from iit bombay, his work related to ancient maths
are very famous in india & abroad also), dr. sampadanand misra
(aurbindo society, pondichary), dr V.N. jha(Pune, nyaya shastra),
dr .Girisha nath jha(JNU, new delhi). Dr. Balachandra rao (ancient
astronomy, banglore), dr. H.V. Nagarajrao(mysore, grammer and yoga)
special kind of work they are doing in sanskrit field and also very
useful to the society. if we give these kind of knowledge to
researchers. and also if we find out some very good topics in sanskrit
which is very useful in modern context, we can take help from all
these scholars. why don't we do research which can also be used
commercially?

On 2 जून, 14:26, narayanan er <drernaraya...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> तदेवोच्यते-
> पदवाक्यप्रमाणाद्यैर्विद्यां समुपबृंहयेत्। बिभेत्यल्पसुताद्विद्या मामयं
> प्रहरेदिति।। इति।
> अपि चोक्तम्-
> पदन्यायादिशास्त्रैश्च विद्यामाराधयेज्जनः। पदन्यायविहीनस्य विद्याऽऽवेशस्तु
> दुष्करः।। इति च।
> एतदप्युच्यते-
> गुरुशुश्रूषया लब्धा विद्या ज्ञेया सरस्वती। विद्यानिलयसम्भ्रान्तः
> केवलोपाधिमान्नरः।। इति च।
>
> ________________________________

> From: Krishna kumar <adlbnaray...@gmail.com>

> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:06 PM, om prakash vyas <opvya...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am happy to see that present generation of Sanskrit scholars are making
> sincere efforts to regain its lost glory. The state of affairs in poor research
> is also because of the fact that those who were at the whelm of affairs in the
> past themselves were not aware of research techniques and methodologies. If at
> all some of them were aware they only promoted their family members/near and
> dears. Its nice to see that now those personal fiefdoms are getting demolished
> and real serious scholars are emerging.>Good Luck.
> >op
>

> >On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:35 AM, prafulla mishra <mpraful...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Why there is poor research  in sanskrit?
> >>Many sanskrit students and teachers guiding them are notadequetly trained for
> >>research.
> >>Many of them have no commitment. They donot peoperly scrutinize the matter. nor
> >>do they have continuous collection of information.
> >>Sanskrit students get very little amount for fellowship.Many donot get. No
> >>systematic library with data bank is not available,.Poor students doing research
> >>are hunting after small jobs for which they donot justify thr research. Senior
> >>people in positions promote neopotism and curruption forwhich good students are
> >>dissartenedBriefluyusly  viewed and  speaking the reaech is not serio taken care
> >>of It is the govt that has great resposible to promote.
> >>PrafullaKmishra
>
> ________________________________

>  From: Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veera...@gmail.com>>>To: jgran...@gmail.com; bvpar...@googlegroups.com

> >>Sent: Fri, May 20, 2011 7:58:28 PM
> >>Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Poor condition of research in sanskrit
>
> >>dear jagannathaji, it is a fantastic list ideal carriculam. I hope this will be
> >>taken by people.
> >>.    
>

> >>On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Jagannatha s <jgran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>Please read may be taken for may have  already taken.
>

> >>>>On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoha...@yahoo.com>

> >>>>>portion fromCharaka smahitaa. Scholar was happy to get it done.  My friend

>  From: pravesh vyas <praveshvya...@gmail.com>
>
> >>>>>To: Dr. Yadu Moharir <ymoha...@yahoo.com>

[Jsra Prasad]

What do you mean by doing research that is also
commercially viable. Can you share?

Dr. Prasad

2011/6/3 pravesh vyas <praves...@gmail.com>

[Krishna kumar]

Respected Pravesh Vyasji,
Jagannathji has already given so many good topics and it will help research students in selecting the subject. i would like to add one more request here in front of all our respected scholars in bvparishat.

Making a separate website, a complete data bank of eminent scholars and there works with contact address. So researchers will get the support of this eminent scholars.  If, respected members of bvparishat, and the researchers in Sanskrit will come together, i expect this will be possible. Youngsters like us will get a plat form where we can take help from all these respected scholars. 

Thanking You

With regards

Krishnakumar

2011/6/3 pravesh vyas <praves...@gmail.com>

[pravesh vyas]

great idea krishna kumar ji

On 3 जून, 12:38, Krishna kumar <adlbnaray...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Respected Pravesh Vyasji,
> Jagannathji has already given so many good topics and it will help research
> students in selecting the subject. i would like to add one more request here

> in front of all our respected scholars in bvparishat....
>
> और पढ़ें »

>
> Making a separate website, a complete data bank of eminent scholars and
> there works with contact address. So researchers will get the support of
> this eminent scholars.  If, respected members of bvparishat, and the
> researchers in Sanskrit will come together, i expect this will be possible.
> Youngsters like us will get a plat form where we can take help from all
> these respected scholars.
>
> Thanking You
>
> With regards
>
> Krishnakumar
>

> 2011/6/3 pravesh vyas <praveshvya...@gmail.com>

> > > >>>> states, particularly Karnataka-Dr.- उद्धृत पाठ छिपाएँ -
>
> उद्धृत पाठ दिखाए

[Krishna kumar]

Respected Pravesh vyasji,
Thank you for accepting my idea. As youngster i feel for making this type of  data bank, we need the guidance and support from the experience members of bvparishat.

This was our idea of data bank:

1. Making a website for the same purpose.
2.  Requesting all  respected scholars, Teachers and Researchers to send the personal data with contact address through mail including the work they have done. (here we are not only requesting the personal data. Anybody can do the service by giving a complete data of scholars in there area. Through this we can reach our traditional scholars in local area where we are unable to reach through internet)

3. Correction of Data and making the data in proper format.

3. Data uploading to web with a search engine

4. Publication of Data through journals in between 3 -6  (Subjective Level)


We have started the back ground work  by making a website and it is ready to launch. We are expecting all the respected scholars, teachers, and researchers will accept this idea and will give guidance to us for the next step.

Thanking You

Krishnakumar

2011/6/3 pravesh vyas <praves...@gmail.com>

great idea krishna kumar ji

--

[Veeranarayana Pandurangi]

dear all,

we can not have separate website for works of famous scholars. we have to  create a big bibliography based on web that covers the everything in sanskrit and on sanskrit (in other languages). it may help us.

morover rashtriya sanskrit sansthan is working on a who is who in sanskrit. it will be hosted on website soon.

--

Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Head, Dept of Darshanas,
Yoganandacharya Bhavan,
Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Rajasthan Samskrita University, Madau, post Bhankrota, Jaipur, 302026.

अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।

[om prakash vyas]

You may consider the topic on Human Rights in ancient vedic system.

Regards.

op

2011/6/3 pravesh vyas <praves...@gmail.com>

[Devanand Shukl]

Respected Scholars

Sanskrit in modern context, there are continuous researches are going on.
Amba Kulkarni with Gérard Huet initated the International symposium series in the field of Sanskrit Computational Linguistics. Since 2007, four symposia were held at Paris, Rhode Island, Hyderabad and Delhi.

For Informations all the proceedings of Symposia are available in the following links

First and 2nd Sanskrit Computational Linguistics Symposium
http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-00154-3

3rd Sanskrit Computational Linguistics Symposium
http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-540-93884-2

4th Sanskrit Computational Linguistics Symposium
http://www.springer.com/computer/ai/book/978-3-642-17527-5

and also

In the filed of Sanskrit Computational Linguistics there are also some tools developed are available in the following link


http://sanskrit.uohyd.ernet.in/scl/


with warm regards

Devanand Shukl

2011/6/3 Jsra Prasad <jsrap...@gmail.com>