BVP Simhaavalokanam Eve of 2017

[nagarajpaturi]

Number of new topics started on BVP during the last eight years :

S. No.	Duration	New Topics
1	2009 (1/1/2009 to 30/12/2009)	380
2	2010(1/1/2010 to 30/12/2010)	1049
3	2011(1/1/2011 to 30/12/2011)	1375
4	2012(1/1/2012 to 30/12/2012)	1665
5	2013(1/1/2013 to 30/12/2013)	1069
6	2014(1/1/2014 to 30/12/2014)	1280
7	2015(1/1/2015 to 30/12/2015)	1207
8	2016(1/1/2016 to 30/12/2016)	1295

This is a bi-product of my introspection if BVP was a predominantly Sanskrit medium traditional style Shaastra discussion forum and if I was responsible wholly or partially for the change of the forum into a forum with a different nature than this. I thought if my leaving the forum can restore it back to its original nature, I must do it.

But to draw a conclusion with regard to the question of whether BVP was a predominantly Sanskrit medium traditional style Shaastra discussion forum, I need to do a content analysis of these posts, which though is not an easy task, I will certainly give it a try.   

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

The BVP charter or guidelines of Posting clearly says post can be in English or Sanskrit. I don't see "Sanskrit medium traditional style Shaastra discussion forum " purely in Sanskrit will or can happen on a mailing list like BVP. There is no need to make BVP apurely Sanskrit or Traditional scholar mailing list. We have both Scholars and ordinary members. Scholars can write anywhere. There is a need for an interface where scholars and serious readers on whom scholars are dependent need to interact. Writing in Sanskrit or English doesn't matter.

We have printed books and manuscripts various Sabhas, Vagarthas ghostis etc where refutation style of debates can take place (purva Paksha has been vanquished and I am the champion style) .

 If I have a doubt or need a discussion on a topic I am reading, I write to BVP where experts or more knowledgeable people on that that topic write.  No two views can be identical and there may not be agreement. If there no disagreement and and one simply reads what others write it will be like a pravachana or discourse. that is not how it should be. This is how I see BVP list and nothing more.

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Traditional scholars on the forum can start their own traditional style shaastra debate on BVP itself as a new thread and other similar scholars will certainly join them and keep posting in that style.

What I said was that mixing of methods in the same debate leads to a tricky situation.

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Nagaraj Paturi

 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

I agree when such discussions are started let only those members who can write on such threads post if they cannot they may simply read such posts. That will solve many problems. We should not have  'I support XYZ' type posts by those who do not share the approaches needed for rigorous scholarship and think that they should post their pet theory and everyone on the list should applaud such posts and need not have a different view.  We should avoid posts saying I like what Vidvan or Prof. Says............  and not posting anything else substantial, which will make it appear one doesn't like what others have said. Please understand scholars are posting here in-spite of their numerous occupation keeping the larger cause in mind not that they don't have other forums or places to write.  If one needs to start new mailing list please start no need to make such announcements here. Thanks

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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Nagaraj Paturi

 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

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[G S S Murthy]

​I agree with Ajitji. I believe one of the objectives of BVP should be to encourage traditional scholars thinking traditionally, expressing in traditional manner to get out of the groove and look beyond.

Thanks and regards,

Murthy ​

On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

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My web site : http://murthygss.tripod.com/index.htm
and also my Sanskrit blog :

http://simplesanskrit.blogspot.com/

http://gssmurthy.blogspot.com

[श्रीमल्ललितालालितः]

On Sat 31 Dec, 2016, 10:39 AM Nagaraj Paturi, <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

Traditional scholars on the forum can start their own traditional style shaastra debate on BVP itself as a new thread and other similar scholars will certainly join them and keep posting in that style.

What I said was that mixing of methods in the same debate leads to a tricky

It's not possible, since there is no clear division of subjects.

Traditional like to interpret the same thing, e.g. who shivali~Nga, and indologist also have some ideas about the same.

So, these subjects provoke both groups to write pointing errors of others.

Who is going to stay and watch and decide what thread is for whom?

Better, indologist have one group and traditional other.

[श्रीमल्ललितालालितः]

On Sat 31 Dec, 2016, 11:47 AM G S S Murthy, <murt...@gmail.com> wrote:

​I agree with Ajitji. I believe one of the objectives of BVP should be to encourage traditional scholars thinking traditionally, expressing in traditional manner to get out of the groove and look beyond.

Yes, the place where non-traditional are residing is a heaven, so these traditional must leave their groove!?

I mean really, just writing poems about love doesn't make you eligible to understand pramANa-prameya-vyavasthA which is core of any philosophy followed by traditional schools.

It's just because of this attitude of indologist and poets that traditional feel shy to speak. Your number is enormous, you think similar and you never read any of Sanskrit works as an insider. You have  readymade, prepared without study, ideas about Indian shAstra and philosophy, and you try to interpret them to match that idea.

That separates indologist and traditional.

And, that's why traditional feel in foreign land with indologist.

I hope each post which opposes any support to traditional will reveal the reason to separate indologist and traditional.

This differentiation must be clearly known.

We are not same. Even having common language, Sanskrit, does not ensures that we are on same side.

Hybrids of traditional and indologist come in different variety. So there are many divisions. Hybrids better fit with indologist, since they provide their core.

Traditional are seen as idiots generally, although they are academically more honest compared to indologist.

I hope some more people may be able to reveal more difference in clear words which will give clear idea about division and need of support to traditional.

[Bijoy Misra]

Dear Swamiji,

The traditional scholars must also not bury themselves in the past.  Rote repetition of books does not

make प्रमाण.  India must distinguish herself from the Bible studies.  She is open, curious, always

evolving.  While I love the brilliance of the शास्त्र, I would urge the traditional scholars to handle any 

and all questions with agreeable respect.  I agree that the questioner must have the basic preparation 

exemplified by some training in Sanskrit verified by the ability of expression. There must be tacit 

assumption that all answers may not be in the शास्त्र. 

Most, do I dare say all, material developed as Indology is half-baked and flawed.  People have

done it for administration convenience than for the love of the study.  Quick and haphazard conclusions

are rampant.  They were designed to caricature India for people in their foreign homes.  The early

"Indologists" never knew that some day people of Indian descent would live abroad.  In any case

they had already profiled that a person of Indian descent needs to be told about what his/her culture is.

I have not researched how this situation has developed, but I witness it in proximity. 

It is a sad feeling.  Many are forced to ignore.  Many others develop contempt for the traditional studies

which is the political goal of agencies that fund these profile-based "discoveries".  A good part of India is

also affected because of improper exposure to the beauty of the tradition.

The traditional scholars have a massive role to play.  They have a role of nation reconstruction besides

being scholars.  The average young student needs their guidance.  The person does not speak the

traditional language.  But he/she is real and the future depends on him/her.  The traditional scholars 

must create new methods to convey.  Valmiki put music to Ramayana such that Lava and Kusha

could sing.  We must bring knowledge to the grass root level.     

Best regards.

Happy New Year.

Bijoy Misra 

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Thank you Swamiji for your views

Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari

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[sadasivamurty rani]

I have been one of the members of BVParishat ever since its inception.I feel proud of being such a member.  In the initial years the environment of the parishat was very healthy, amicable and excellent. But gradually a parting tendency has been developing and its presence has very clearly been felt very often in the recent years. Particularly for the last two years Its influence has been growing more n more. 

Earlier whenever any thought is posted the way of dealing with it by the respected  members was very tender, smooth, scholarly and convincing. 

But during the past two years my personal experience I would like to share  that the comments some members are of the following nature : 

1. Some comments are  bitter 

2. Some are sweet quoted satires 

3. Some of them are of insulting nature at personal level 

4. Some are even vehemently attacking by nature. 

5. Some are monopolizing. 

6.  All language efficiency is being used to dismayingly ill-treat the views submitted. 

Right from my recent mails on the prevalent beliefs about Mahabharata in our region where I have clearly mentioned that it is not my personal belief but an existing belief in Andhra region to most of my other mails during the last two years on different topics I have such agonizing experience through the comments of some scholars. 

Of course even appreciation from some other scholars also is not out of the horizons of my contentment for which I am ever grateful to them.  

I have always high regard for the team of members who developed this group also. I express my thanks to them for accommodating me till date. 

Having reviewed all my experiences of recent years I take this new year RESOLUTION to leave this GROUP.  I humbly request the moderators to delete my name from this group. 

Namaste to all the respectful learned members. 

Warm regards to all,  

Prof. Rani Sadasiva Murty

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From: Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com>
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Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} BVP Simhaavalokanam Eve of 2017

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Poojya Prof. Rani Sadasivamurtyji,

If you allow me to participate in this decision of yours, my humble request to you is not to leave the group.

Venerable members like you can immediately point out the behaviours offensive to you ( from members like myself) and guide the group properly.

Deep regards,

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On Sat 31 Dec, 2016, 11:47 AM G S S Murthy, <murt...@gmail.com> wrote:

​I agree with Ajitji. I believe one of the objectives of BVP should be to encourage traditional scholars thinking traditionally, expressing in traditional manner to get out of the groove and look beyond.

 

Yes, the place where non-traditional are residing is a heaven, so these traditional must leave their groove!?

 

I mean really, just writing poems about love doesn't make you eligible to understand pramANa-prameya-vyavasthA which is core of any philosophy followed by traditional schools.

 

It's just because of this attitude of indologist and poets that traditional feel shy to speak. Your number is enormous, you think similar and you never read any of Sanskrit works as an insider. You have  readymade, prepared without study, ideas about Indian shAstra and philosophy, and you try to interpret them to match that idea.

That separates indologist and traditional.

And, that's why traditional feel in foreign land with indologist.

 

I hope each post which opposes any support to traditional will reveal the reason to separate indologist and traditional.

 

This differentiation must be clearly known.

We are not same. Even having common language, Sanskrit, does not ensures that we are on same side.

Hybrids of traditional and indologist come in different variety. So there are many divisions. Hybrids better fit with indologist, since they provide their core.

 

Traditional are seen as idiots generally, although they are academically more honest compared to indologist.

 

I hope some more people may be able to reveal more difference in clear words which will give clear idea about division and need of support to traditional.

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[Bijoy Misra]

Dear friends,

Separation is not an Indian concept.  We fight but stay together.  

The universe is one.  We don't shut the door.  The question is 

whether a pure Sanskrit discussion would attract people.  Whether

it does or not, it must be tried for the sake of exposition and 

expression.  We must struggle to express ourselves in Sanskrit.

Some quality control would emerge in time.

This list has its general purpose of discussion.  I know I am a

guest because of my foreign residence.  I have been grateful

for the friendship and fraternity in the list.  While some of us 

abroad wish to see a stronger India quickly, we must never think 

of any diminution however small.  

Please don't leave.  Please forgive others.  We have a fair

distance to go on behalf many who need our support and help.

Let us sustain with the patience of वसिष्ठ

Happy New Year.

Bijoy Misra

    

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On Sat 31 Dec, 2016, 11:47 AM G S S Murthy, <murt...@gmail.com> wrote:

​I agree with Ajitji. I believe one of the objectives of BVP should be to encourage traditional scholars thinking traditionally, expressing in traditional manner to get out of the groove and look beyond.

 

Yes, the place where non-traditional are residing is a heaven, so these traditional must leave their groove!?

 

I mean really, just writing poems about love doesn't make you eligible to understand pramANa-prameya-vyavasthA which is core of any philosophy followed by traditional schools.

 

It's just because of this attitude of indologist and poets that traditional feel shy to speak. Your number is enormous, you think similar and you never read any of Sanskrit works as an insider. You have  readymade, prepared without study, ideas about Indian shAstra and philosophy, and you try to interpret them to match that idea.

That separates indologist and traditional.

And, that's why traditional feel in foreign land with indologist.

 

I hope each post which opposes any support to traditional will reveal the reason to separate indologist and traditional.

 

This differentiation must be clearly known.

We are not same. Even having common language, Sanskrit, does not ensures that we are on same side.

Hybrids of traditional and indologist come in different variety. So there are many divisions. Hybrids better fit with indologist, since they provide their core.

 

Traditional are seen as idiots generally, although they are academically more honest compared to indologist.

 

I hope some more people may be able to reveal more difference in clear words which will give clear idea about division and need of support to traditional.

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

>Traditional like to interpret the same thing, e.g. who shivali~Nga, and indologist also have some ideas about the same.

>So, these subjects provoke both groups to write pointing errors of others.

-------- If handled healthily, such a situation and such an interaction can be taken into a useful and productive direction. A critique of the modern method from the traditional point of view in a way communicable and convincing to the other side is long overdue. But for this, each side needs to be conscious of the fundamental premises, methods of proof , methods of argumentation and point out the error at that level.

For example, the traditional side may say, you assume that there can be other historical /mundane space and time reasons than the one mentioned in a puranic narrative for a certain object of worship to come into existence; but what is mentioned in the puranic narrative is the only way it could have happened in historical /mundane space and time  because...... as you can also agree....  etc., in stead of saying you are wrong because you are committing the error of not accepting the narratives in Puranas as historically occurred happenings 

or they can even provide argument to establish that narratives in  Puranas are to be  accepted as historically occurred happenings and each time refer to that argument and say as per that argument and as per the already mutually agreed conclusion that the narratives in Puranas are historically occurred happenings, your argument that there can be other historical space and time reasons for this object of worship to have come into existence as such is erroneous. 

Such an interaction will contribute to bridging between the two approaches currently running parallel to each other. 

Currently there is a section of Indology that is mostly from a section of western Indology and to an extent from some westernized Indian Indologists that outrightly rejects the traditional Sanskrit scholarship as superstitious and unscientific and there is another section to which I belong, which opposes this group and fights this group defending the traditional scholarship in Indological forums. On BVP too it has been witnessed how a huge number of pro-tradition Indologists have been trying to defend the traditional against the onslaught by the anti-traditionals.

Some savyasaachi traditional scholars themselves are participating in this fight while continuing with their traditional academics in the forums where it suits.

It is not fair on the part of the part of some of the traditional scholars to bundle up all those engaged in modern academics about Indian culture into one. 

A successful and powerful critique of the anti-traditional Indology by a traditional scholar is a thing to celebrate for all the pro-tradition modern academics about Indian culture.  

    

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[Pradyumna Achar]

Dear members,

If I understand correctly, सुखप्राप्ति and दु:खनाश is desired by every चेतन. Traditional philosophy is aimed at finding methods to fulfill these two goals. Some schools of traditional philosophy only focus on fulfilling this in an ऐहिक sense (Eg: चार्वाक ), and the others in the पारत्रिक sense. They involve observation, reasoning, study of nature, study of literature, and then formulation of a set of practical activities that the Traditional philosophy practitioner follows to achieve those two goals.

Indology, on the other hand, is a pure academic study -- "academic study of the history and cultures, languages, and literature of the Indian subcontinent " (wikipedia)
Indology does not have the constraints of having to meet the goals of सुखप्राप्ति and दु:खनाश | In fact, the study is an end goal in itself.

The scope of Indology includes a wide range of topics many of which would be insignificant to the Traditional philosopher as they have no significant impact on achieving his clear goals. In the wake of new literature, new developments and discoveries in the world, the traditional philosopher has to only ascertain whether his method of achieving the twin goals of सुखप्राप्ति and दु:खनाश are still valid or not. Only to that extent does his interest in dealing with the Indologists lies.

In this context, I would be interested in a forum where the validity of existing traditional philosophies can be debated in view of the findings that the Indologists. Since traditional philosophies are in Sanskrit and the Indologists are mostly English-speaking, it would be prudent to convert the English arguments to Sanskrit (as the philosophy being defended would be in Sanskrit)

Pradyumna

[Bijoy Misra]

Dear Sri Achar,

 it would be prudent to convert the English arguments to Sanskrit (as the philosophy being defended would be in Sanskrit)

There is no reason why should one make effort to engage is arguing anything with ignorance.

The only catch is that our young people read English and the new material is directed to them

possibly politically.  My observation has been that the new academic scholars are not prepared 

enough to sharpen their viewpoint.  There is a pressure in the west to put the material in the 

market before it is ripe.  We have a large number of uncooked arguments.  The fundamental 

difficulty is that Indian system rejected all classification as a logical conclusion several thousand 

years ago. The western logic is based on classes and the class differentiation infects to other 

societies. The conclusion that everything has a self-expression आत्मभाव and an expressing capacity

अभिव्यक्ति is the basis of Indian cosmology.  This idea is so profound that it may take several

more hundred (thosand?) years to be understood in the west.  The west is still forming its intellectual

basis.  

But meanwhile India could erode.  It can always feel that life is more of a competition than 

existence.  It is easier to look outward than inward. It is not easy to gauge that "existence" has no  

दुःख, it is eternal, classless neuter.

Can we salute the gentlemen who might have argued the conclusion several thousand years

ago in some form of BVP?  Are we capable of analyzing it and present it to the world? 

In the process we might discover the man and the process than read some tortured explanations.

So is my wish on this New Year's Day, 2017.

Best regards,

BM

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[Shrinivasa Varakhedi]

Respected Scholars,

I am writing this mail with a strong and humble request to all of you and also with an expectation that all my seniors and friends who have nourished this list with their immense contribution in terms of both quality and quantity, would never go to such an extent by which the list will die it's death! (I mean this that's why I used the root die twice)

विषवृक्षोऽपि संवर्द्ध्य स्वयं छेत्तुमसाम्प्रतम् ..

No matter what it takes we shall work to reconstruct this list with your ideas. Never ever, we the owner or the management felt that list is owned by us. It is the list of scholars. As all of us have strong faith in democracy we will come to a good conclusion through debate which will I am sure will strengthen the list. I personally do not let any scholar leave this place. Everyone is important here. No question of leaving in the disguise of sacrifice.

From the inception, it is made very clear that this list is meant for all discussions concerning Sanskrit, philosophy, Indology, history, archeology, art forms, language, grammar, or any subject that is connected with ancient Indian knowledge base. I hope all Sanskrit scholars in the list support my voice in saying that we Sanskrit scholars can not work in isolation. If at all we want we can educate others who are interested. Even within the list a big number of contributors belong to non-traditional Sanskrit learning but their contribution to the tradition is very significant. Sanskrit scholars who got training in traditional Shastric learning have showed us the right path. When this is the case why is this question of Sanskrit and non-Sanskrit ? I urge all scholars not to split the vote here. Let's work together. This is the time to show the unity and work for our tradition. This is the place where scholarly community get information, knowledge and what not ? We all have mutually benefitted.

The personal attacks and showing fingers at others may happen sometimes due to misunderstanding of the lines that are read without the persons presence. Same line would mean in different way if it is heard in person. Hence the remote debate always will increase the distance. Let's find out a way. People can sort out the issues by meeting others. This is just a Dias of sharing.

I apologies for any lapses on behalf of the management. We have already taken some steps again and we will soon sort it out. Till then please please close this discussion.

BTW today I had a long discussion with Dr. Shatavadhani Ganesh Ji who is a senior member of this group who has expressed his concerns about this happening. Many people like him are in silence but want a peace here.

Any concerns please write to me or prof Pandurangi. We try to solve the issues in an unbiased way to the best of our abilities. All scholars here in this list be a Shastric or a poet or an Indologist or a historian, have faith and respect in other disciplines and the parishrama of others in their own disciplines.

संगच्छद्ध्वं संवदध्वम् .....

Yours
Shrinivasa varakhedi
And
Veeranarayana Pandurangi

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(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

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[Shrinivasa Varakhedi]

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[S P Narang]

Dear Prof. Varakhedi, I am receiving the mails but not able to reply. Please advise the management to make the arrangement. I do not know who is the incharge. 

Regards, Happy New Year. spnarang

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From: Shrinivasa Varakhedi <shri...@gmail.com>
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} BVP Simhaavalokanam Eve of 2017

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Respected Scholars,

I am writing this mail with a strong and humble request to all of you and also with an expectation that all my seniors and friends who have nourished this list with their immense contribution in terms of both quality and quantity, would never go to such an extent by which the list will die it's death! (I mean this that's why I used the root die twice)

विषवृक्षोऽपि संवर्द्ध्य स्वयं छेत्तुमसाम्प्रतम् ..

No matter what it takes we shall work to reconstruct this list with your ideas. Never ever, we the owner or the management felt that list is owned by us. It is the list of scholars. As all of us have strong faith in democracy we will come to a good conclusion through debate which will I am sure will strengthen the list. I personally do not let any scholar leave this place. Everyone is important here. No question of leaving in the disguise of sacrifice.

From the inception, it is made very clear that this list is meant for all discussions concerning Sanskrit, philosophy, Indology, history, archeology, art forms, language, grammar, or any subject that is connected with ancient Indian knowledge base. I hope all Sanskrit scholars in the list support my voice in saying that we Sanskrit scholars can not work in isolation. If at all we want we can educate others who are interested. Even within the list a big number of contributors belong to non-traditional Sanskrit learning but their contribution to the tradition is very significant. Sanskrit scholars who got training in traditional Shastric learning have showed us the right path. When this is the case why is this question of Sanskrit and non-Sanskrit ? I urge all scholars not to split the vote here. Let's work together. This is the time to show the unity and work for our tradition. This is the place where scholarly community get information, knowledge and what not ? We all have mutually benefitted.

The personal attacks and showing fingers at others may happen sometimes due to misunderstanding of the lines that are read without the persons presence. Same line would mean in different way if it is heard in person. Hence the remote debate always will increase the distance. Let's find out a way. People can sort out the issues by meeting others. This is just a Dias of sharing.

I apologies for any lapses on behalf of the management. We have already taken some steps again and we will soon sort it out. Till then please please close this discussion.

BTW today I had a long discussion with Dr. Shatavadhani Ganesh Ji who is a senior member of this group who has expressed his concerns about this happening. Many people like him are in silence but want a peace here.

Any concerns please write to me or prof Pandurangi. We try to solve the issues in an unbiased way to the best of our abilities. All scholars here in this list be a Shastric or a poet or an Indologist or a historian, have faith and respect in other disciplines and the parishrama of others in their own disciplines.

संगच्छद्ध्वं संवदध्वम् .....

Yours
Shrinivasa varakhedi
And
Veeranarayana Pandurangi

PS : This mail is written using mobile. Errors may be excused. 

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Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

 

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

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