Is it correct to ellipse bhavān and bhavati?

[संस्कृत संवादः]

Q. Is it correct to ellipse bhavān and bhavati in a sentence and use Prathama Purusha (third person) verb forms like गच्छतु, वदतु, etc.? 

A. First, understand what is bhavān and bhavati. 
Bhavān is the masculine and bhavati is the feminine singular prathama vibhakti of bhavat (a noun base or pratipadikam), which is formed by adding the डवतु pratyaya (suffix) with भा dhātu (verbal root) [भाति = विद्यते इति भवत्]. 

It literally means one who's present. It is used for highlighting the listener without addressing him. When we don't want to talk to somebody, we use a mediator, right? These two words just play that role. Like using your son to talk to your wife after a fight.

Now suppose the son isn't there and you address him to talk to your wife. Generally, anyone, including your wife, would think you have gone crazy. 

Similarly, you make a fool out of yourself if you use Prathama Purusha when trying to ellipse bhavān and bhavati.

Because it would automatically make it a direct conversation and require mandatory use of Madhyama Purusha (वद, गच्छ) as we do with त्वम्.

This can also be seen in Sanskrit texts themselves, where using Madhyama Purusha is normal for kings, gurus, old men, and even deities. It was not considered disrespectful.

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Q. Is it correct to ellipse bhavān and bhavati in a sentence and use Prathama Purusha (third person) verb forms like गच्छतु, वदतु, etc.? 

                                                                                                                                                                             -- संस्कृतसंवादः

If there is a person present and while addressing / talking to him one may employ an elliptical sentence - there can be an ellipsis or ellipses as the case may be -- बुद्धिस्थपरामर्शः ।

Teacher -- where are you coming from ?

Student -- hostel (I am coming from ...) .

Where there is a shared knowledge one or more words are ellipsed -- प्रयोगशरणं व्याकरणम् ।

कुतो भवान् ? पाटलिपुत्रकात् -- महाभाष्यम् ।

In the later conversation भवान्  is omitted  -- पूर्वपरामर्शः ।

This is universal - applicable to all languages .

वदतु संस्कृतम् -- भवान् / भवती इति अध्याहार्यः । संस्कृतम् इति सप्तम्यर्थे प्रथमा । It can be a general appeal keeping all in mind --जात्येकवचनम्  ।

भवान् is used while addressing - गुरुः , राजा , वयोज्येष्ठाः , ज्ञानज्येष्ठाः , अज्ञातपूर्वाः ( येषां  नाम / वयः/ज्ञानम् / जातिः इत्यादि न ज्ञायते)  etc. .

त्वम् is used with friends / relatives / near and dear .

युष्मच्छब्द is accepted in वेद (or something related to दैवम् / देवता) -- नमस्ते रुद्र मन्यवे । उतोत इषवे नमः - शतरुद्रियम्।

In मध्यमपुरुष and  उत्तमपुरुष there is चैतन्यम् । In प्रथमपुरुष there is no चैतन्यम् ।

धन्यो’स्मि

Dr.Korada Subrahmanyam

Adju.Professor , Dept of Heritage Science and Technology, IIT, Hyderabad

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[Shashi Joshi]

thank you for the clarifications, korada ji 🙏🏻🙏🏻

Thank you,
Shashi

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