काव्यप्रकाशस्य टीकासम्पत् (KAVYA-PRAKASH)- POETICS

[Jayesh Vyas]

मान्याः! काव्यप्रकाशस्य षोडशटीकायुक्तसंस्करणं विहाय कति टीकाः पाण्डुलिपिरूपेण वा प्रकाशितरूपेण समुपलभ्यन्ते?

Hello Scholars!

How many "tikas" are available on KAVYA-PRAKASH either in manuscript form or in published form excluding the edition of Sixteen Tikaas?

[Hnbhat B.R.]

Please refer to NCC  Vol. IV p. काव्यप्रकाश - of Mammata, p.90 onwards for commentaries published and in manuscripts. 

You may refer to the New Catalogus Catalogrum Suplement Volumes also for the additional information on काव्यप्रकाश and its commentaries.

And for latest additions, you may directly contact the NCC Department, of Madras University.

[jayesh vyas]

Thanks a lot sir.

Jayesh Vyas
Research Scholar
Sanskrit Department
University of Delhi

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[श्रीमल्ललितालालितः]

2014-09-23 20:59 GMT+05:30 Jayesh Vyas <jmvy...@gmail.com>:

काव्यप्रकाशस्य षोडशटीकायुक्तसंस्करणं विहाय

​Jayesh !

I don't know about the 16 commentary edition. If you could enlighten me about it's publication and TIkA-s contained, I and many others will be benefited.
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श्रीमल्ललितालालितः
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[Hnbhat B.R.]

On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:29 PM, श्रीमल्ललितालालितः <lalitaa...@gmail.com> wrote:

2014-09-23 20:59 GMT+05:30 Jayesh Vyas <jmvy...@gmail.com>:

काव्यप्रकाशस्य षोडशटीकायुक्तसंस्करणं विहाय

​Jayesh !

I don't know about the 16 commentary edition. If you could enlighten me about it's publication and TIkA-s contained, I and many others will be benefited.
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Yes, indeed. I could not get any such Edition with Google Search.

It will be helpful if the details of the Edition is given. The information in the "History of Classical Sanskrit Literature" of Krishmachariar (rev.Ed.1989) gives in sec.849 to 864 the detailed information about the commentators on Kavyaprakasha, with the commentaries available to him at the time of the compilation. And NCC also gives information to the published commentaries in addition to manuscripts. 

Thanks in advance.

[jayesh vyas]

Kavya- Prakash(solah tika sahit) 6 vol.
Edited by Dr. Jyotsna Mohan
Publication- Nag Prakashak, Delhi

Jayesh Vyas
Research Scholar
Sanskrit Department
University of Delhi

[Hnbhat B.R.]

Thanks for the information. Can you give the titles of the commentaries included therein? Just for information.

[Ashok Aklujkar]

2014-09-23 20:59 GMT+05:30 Jayesh Vyas <jmvy...@gmail.com>:

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On Sep 30, 2014, at 10:59 AM, श्रीमल्ललितालालितः <lalitaa...@gmail.com> wrote:​Jayesh !

I don't know about the 16 commentary edition. If you could enlighten me about it's publication and TIkA-s contained, I and many others will be benefited.

Please see the attached. 

a.a.

[Hnbhat B.R.]

Thanks Professor, for the information and the review.

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[Kumuda Prasad]

The New Catalogus Catalogorum records around 100 commentaries of kAvyaprakAsha, of which the commentary of Govinda Thakkura has three sub-commentaries on it. Kindly refer New Catalogus Catalogorum Vol. IV. pp. 92-103 for more references.

with regards

kumuda  

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Hnbhat B.R. <hnbh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Professor, for the information and the review.

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

I always have a question on ​New Catalogus Catalogorum where can one get the manuscripts one mentions there, I know the palce is given.. Unless manuscripts are made accessible it might be of no use at all. One can mention a manuscript of this work is available XYZ place and if one wants to see it the place might be closed or not easily accessible

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[jayesh vyas]

16 teekas are-
1 sanket
2 sanket by Ruyyak
3 balchittanuranjani
4 kavyaadarsh
5 vivek
6 Deepika
7 darpan
8 sahitya chudaamani
9 sampradaayprakashini
10 madhumati
11 vistarika
12 sarbodhini
13 kavya pradeep
14 kavyaprakash khandanam
15 adarsh
16 sudhasagar
17 vivaran
Though sanket counted as one so these are sixteen tikas.

Jayesh Vyas
Research Scholar
Sanskrit Department
University of Delhi

On Oct 1, 2014 9:48 AM, "Hnbhat B.R." <hnbh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the information. Can you give the titles of the commentaries included therein? Just for information.

[jayesh vyas]

Two pictures of the jacket and front page of Kavya-prakash(sixteen teekas).

Jayesh Vyas
Research Scholar
Sanskrit Department
University of Delhi

[Hnbhat B.R.]

On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:00 PM, jayesh vyas <jmvy...@gmail.com> wrote:

16 teekas are-

 

1 sanket
2 sanket by Ruyyak
3 balchittanuranjani
4 kavyaadarsh
5 vivek
6 Deepika
7 darpan
8 sahitya chudaamani
9 sampradaayprakashini
10 madhumati
11 vistarika
12 sarbodhini
13 kavya pradeep
14 kavyaprakash khandanam
15 adarsh
16 sudhasagar
17 vivaran
Though sanket counted as one so these are sixteen tikas.

Your counting is wrong. It is not sanketa is counted as one, but these are three commentaries by three different authors which you have not noticed. And, as Prof.Ashok Aklujkar pointed out, the Kavyaprakasha Khandanam is not strictly a commentary, but a critical note in the strictest sense. This seems to be the reason for counting only 16 as commentaries. 

But there should be 17 commentaries. 

Of these, the first Sanketa by Manikya Candra has been published from ORI Mysore and some of the titles are already published, if not all.

Please see the attachment in the response of Ashok Aklujkar for a detailed assessment of the Edition.

[श्रीमल्ललितालालितः]

I thank Dr. Ashok Aklujkar and Jayesh for providing publication details and names of commentaries.
The page sent by Dr. Ashok hinted us the value of this publication too.

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[jayesh vyas]

Ok sir.Thanks.
I have updated my knowledge.

Jayesh Vyas
Research Scholar
Sanskrit Department
University of Delhi

[Bholanath Dash]

Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for going through NCC and commenting on it. We are understanding your difficulties and feelings. Getting Manuscript is a big task. NCC is giving only information about the placement of the mss. Whatever records are available with NCC they are referred in it. It is not final one, time to time it is to be updated according to availability of data.  For details of each Manuscript Catalogues, Hand lists and survey report kindly refer to Bibliography of NCC which is given in some volumes (Vol. I. XI. XV. XXVIII.) If possible visit the NCC library.

The volume you have commented on was compiled in 1968. Lot of efforts have gone over that. Many works have been done, many reports have come out. Why don’t you do a consolidated reference on Kavyaprakasa and its commentaries available in all the manuscript repositories, if you are interested in the text. If all our scholars will take up one one text, the reference will come out comprehensively and the entire world of scholars will be benefited.

NCC can do, whatever is available with it. If you have manuscripts and you do not share the list of them to NCC, how NCC will incorporate the reference. And yes, if the place is closed, do you think that NCC will drop that reference from its list? It is high time now for the scholars to think, how one will be able to get a copy. Yes, some places are closed, but do you think the famous ORIs are sparing the copy to you easily ?

 

NCC shows the light how and where to go. 

Thanking you.

Sorry because we have the experience of hard work behind the NCC, it hurts us. 

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Thank you. You have tried to answer some questions. NCC is not at fault its a catalog I know that. Unless manuscripts are made accessible a catalog will loose its purpose its like a library having a card catalog and books are not on the shelf. Its not the fault of the library catalog

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
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[Hnbhat B.R.]

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thank you. You have tried to answer some questions. NCC is not at fault its a catalog I know that. Unless manuscripts are made accessible a catalog will loose its purpose its like a library having a card catalog and books are not on the shelf. Its not the fault of the library catalog

Anyhow it is not the fault of NCC department or the compilations available in different catalogues or lists at a place, from different Libraries or private collections at the time of the compilation of the Volumes. From the time of compilation, till the publication of the volumes, many things might have changed. Many New Catalogues published by other Manuscript Libraries, have come out, and newer Volumes of the Catalogues. All the Catalogues do not follow the same system of Cataloguing.

It is up to the researcher to get a consolidate list, by checking the Catalogues/Lists referred to in the NCC and sort out existing/available manuscript work one is interested in. Then comes the question of accession to the manuscripts. There are some collections of Manuscripts made available online by the Institutions themselves, free or online payment. But many of the Manuscript Libraries (Gov. and Private) alike, do not even give access to their collection easily. There are several Jain Bhandagars which do not have permission even to allow their collection (considered holy) to outsiders.  This was the condition when I was looking for the manuscripts.

In this digitalized age of every document, I don't there has been any improvement in the condition. Though digilized, they raise the issue of copyright as the custodians of the manuscripts, if you ask for a copy (even though they have any facility, mostly do not have or available for your use).

Most of the catalogued manuscripts are microfilmed and a copy kept at IGNCA. It is a good gesture of Humanity Sources Department to preserve to manuscripts. BUT the copyright issue makes to run around the Libraries to get a permission, even if they are available at present or at least  only then you can know whether the mss. is lost and not available. IGNCA is also not responsible to give you the access to the manuscripts directly or if you want, provide a copy as they are not custodians of the original manuscripts.

This is my experience. These are some of the difficulties experienced by the scholars looking for manuscripts. But NCC or IGNCA, both are not responsible for these.

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Oriental libraries are the custodians of manuscript. I don't understand how can copy write laws apply to old manuscripts. It can only apply to an edited book based on the manuscript.does a library own the copy write of printed books the answer in no similarly for manuscripts. I don't think any commentator of Kalidasa, kavya prakasa except for modern commentaries held any copy write.

When public money is used to support oriental libraries they are duty bound to make to make them accessible to interested people. In the age of digitization its easy to digitize and cost will always be less for the manuscript repositories if they do it. They can charge a fees to recover costs that perfectly fine.

I am of the opinion since India has the largest collection of manuscripts government should pass law to make digitization mandatory and for institution that run on public money should  with a charge give the digitized version to interested scholars. If they refuse action should be taken against them after all public money spent should help scholars and interested readers. Please note  access to the originals should be always restricted for the trained specialist.

I am opening a line of thought

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

[Nagaraj Paturi]

copy right not copy write . Thanks.

 

 

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Thanks for correcting. I am bad at typing

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
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अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Its a single word  Copyright

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Thanks. You are right.

 

Word Origin and History for copyright                    

n.

"the right to make or sell copies," 1735, from copy + right (n.). As a verb, from 1806 (implied in past participle adjective copyrighted).

[Hnbhat B.R.]

"All rights reserved. The authors retain all copyrights in any text, graphic images and photos in this book. "

The authors allow publisheers to copy and publish for a period of years, but reserve the copyright with themselves. 

This is what they mean. "book" may be in the manuscripts form or in printed form, but the rights vested in the writer of the book could not be time barred. for the purpose of copyright rule. So copying the manuscripts of the books written by the authors, for any purpose, would be violation of the copyrights law unless the publishers have purchased the copyright for royalty. Though the copyright law was made in recent centuries, for the custodians, they could apply the same rule. For them, they are like the printed Editions, books only in the manuscript form.

This is the reason why they raise such an issue.

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

For a large number of paper, britch bark manuscripts the rule does not apply. Recent unpublished manuscripts of authors if deposited in public repository then copyright laws apply This law will not apply to to hundred and thousands of old manuscripts kept at various oriental libraries and institutions.

If I make a lot of money in most cases not, from a  manuscript borrowed from a manuscript library then the library might want a share in the profits earned as I am using their material but that's not because of copyright laws.

I do understand what you say giving an example if  I compose a work and that is deposited in a manuscript library then copyright laws may apply but not for old works

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

[Hnbhat B.R.]

I do understand what you say giving an example if  I compose a work and that is deposited in a manuscript library then copyright laws may apply but not for old works

My point was only to make out that the people in charge of the manuscripts nor their directors, do not understand it. I don't think there is any exception from the copyright for the old manuscripts, written centuries ago or any clarification that the rule do not apply the works of centuries ago in certain cases. Even if any, the people need not be aware of it.

They are taught/adviced about the importance of preservation of the valuable assets of India's Literature through such documentation and preservation courses every year and its Cultural its value. But not about the use of this invalubale heritage and bring it into light is one of the purposes of preservation. That is the up to the Research Scholars to bring into light unpublished works in the manuscripts. 

 

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

If they are not taught or do not understand simple laws as you say they should not be there is the positions they are in. You say it is up to the research scholar to publish unpublished that's right what about  thousands of manuscripts lying on the library shelf that should be digitized and made accessible that's what I have been saying. The onus to publish is on a research scholar but the onus to digitize and make manuscripts not in copyright accessible to all lies with the library that posses them

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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Namaste

 

I have difficulty in understanding your later post reading < . The onus to publish is on a research scholar but the onus to digitize and make manuscripts not in copyright accessible to all lies with the library that posses them.   >   Whose Onus is to keep the right interpretation and identity of a tradition ?  whose onus is it to keep to the standards of a language of text ? Whose onus is it to train and   guard the pedagogy which shapes scholar of a tradition ?  

 

Do I understand then that all that goes on in the name of  ‘ Digitization –manuscript preservation’ et al is a way of :

-          (I )  sugar coated tapping in to a Cultural Heritage of a language tradition for a premeditated purpose ?

-          (ii)  convenience of knowledge-trade with no bars of ruling law of  IP /Patent or Scholarship, as a free for all to interpret and create sensation ?

 

In short, it is all about  ‘naming the price’ and drawing the ‘ personal lakshman-rekha’ which is a convenient and flexible one ! Do one prefer to follow the  old and older ancients (poorvaih poorvatarih krutam :: Rishi’s who created the knowledge document and shared it for loka-kalyana > or stand by < nootanaih rishibih ::    like the IGNCA et al holders of manuscripts, > ? What would be the right stand in a scenario of ‘Jnana-Panya’, in the words of Kalidasa?

 

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

< . The onus to publish is on a research scholar but the onus to digitize and make manuscripts not in copyright accessible to all lies with the library that posses them.   >

Let me clarify what I meant to get editions out of manuscripts is the job of a research scholar that can be under copywright but to make manuscripts not in copyright accessible to all lies with the library that posses them as they are not under any copyright\

I never said one should not care for IPR are works in old manuscripts under IPR? No not at all.

The below sentences are beyond my limited comprehension. If you would like you might explain. Thanks

"Whose onus is it to train and   guard the pedagogy which shapes scholar of a tradition ? 

In short, it is all about  ‘naming the price’ and drawing the ‘ personal lakshman-rekha’ which is a convenient and flexible one ! Do one prefer to follow the  old and older ancients (poorvaih poorvatarih krutam :: Rishi’s who created the knowledge document and shared it for loka-kalyana > or stand by < nootanaih rishibih ::    like the IGNCA et al holders of manuscripts, > ? What would be the right stand in a scenario of ‘Jnana-Panya’, in the words of Kalidasa?"

Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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[Hnbhat B.R.]

Please find herein the address of Nag Publidhrtd

http://sanskritdocuments.org/atul/bookstores.html

along with many other Book Publishers.

Just GOOGLE and you will land on the addresses of Publishers. as Nag Publishers. 

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

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05-10-2014 6:36 am को, "Hnbhat B.R." <hnbh...@gmail.com> ने लिखा:

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[Hnbhat B.R.]

   Nag Publishers

   11-a, Ua Jawahar Nagar, Post Office Building

   New Delhi - 110007, Delhi, India.

   Phone : 91-011-23857975

किमिदम्? 

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

vipatrasanketo naama email address.

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05-10-2014 7:36 am को, "Hnbhat B.R." <hnbh...@gmail.com> ने लिखा:

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

nagpub...@rediffmail.com contact surendra Pratap

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Ajit Gargeshwari
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अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Please share their catalog with the group if they send one to you Thanks

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Ajit Gargeshwari
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अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please share their catalog with the group if they send one to you Thanks

​इहास्ति - https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B1_QBT-hoqqVNkxCaksxQURDejQ&usp=drive_web​

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Thank you Vishvas. This will be useful to all Sanskritists on the list who may wish to purchase their books.

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Ajit Gargeshwari
न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचिन्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः।
अजो नित्यः शाश्वतोऽयं पुराणो न हन्यते हन्यमाने शरीरे।।2.20।।