Pavamana Pancha Suktam

[Harshit Shrivastava]

In the ninth mandala of rigveda there comes pavamana pancha suktam.Upon

searching the internet I found one soft copy which I already attached in this

post. According to this file it has 67 suktas having 610 mantras in total. I don't

understand that why it is called as pavamana 'pancha' suktam? Also is it the

longest suktam of all the four vedas or a collective name given to a bunch

of suktams having pavamana mantras in the ninth mandala of rigveda??

[Subrahmanyam Korada]

नमो विद्वद्भ्यः

According to this file it has 67 suktas having 610 mantras in total. I don't

understand that why it is called as pavamana 'pancha' suktam? Also is it the

longest suktam of all the four vedas or a collective name given to a bunch

of suktams having pavamana mantras in the ninth mandala of rigveda??

                                            ---- Vidvan Harshita Srivastava

It is confusing ---

The ninth Maṇḍalam is called Pavamānamaṇḍalam as all the Sūktas here address Pavamānasomadevatā (the deity called Pavamānasoma)

 http://ancientindianwisdom.com 

There are 114 Suktas in ninth Mandalam and 1108 ऋक्s .

It starts with --

स्वादिष्ठया मदिष्ठया पवस्व सोम धारया ।

and ends with --

तत्र माममृतं कृधीन्द्रायेन्दो परिस्रव ।

Eighth Mandalam has got 1636 ऋक्s in 92 Suktas.

गणानां त्वा गणपतिम् -- seen in the snapshot as the first ऋक् is in 8/23(1)  

It may be noted --

the ऋषिs of these Suktas are not new - गृत्समद etc , the द्रष्टs of the ऋषिमण्डलानि from 2 nd to 7 th , in the same order, are taken . Therefore it is assumed that  the 9 th Mandalam is compiled by putting together all the पवमानसोमदेवताकसूक्तs from ऋषिमण्डलs .

My  information is from the books of  TTD (Tirumala Tirupati Devasthanam) and other ऋग्वेदसंहिता published from Andhra .

धन्यो’स्मि

Dr.Korada Subrahmanyam
Professor of Sanskrit, CALTS,
University of Hyderabad,
Ph:09866110741(M),91-40-23010741(R),040-23133660(O)

Skype Id: Subrahmanyam Korada

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[Anand Hudli]

The Pavamana sUkta includes all the suktas from 9.1 to 9.67. It is also necessary to also recite the PavamAna Khila hymn after 9.67. But given the weaknesses

of humans, Shaunaka, the author of RigvidhAna says a weak person (ashakta) may recite 9.66 and 9.67, the last two suktas of the fourth adhyAya.

One proper recitation of the entire PavamAna takes roughly an hour and a half.  The PavamAna homa is performed with the mantras of the PavamAna sUkta. The sankalpa of the homa states: "pavamAnAtmaka shrImahAviShNuprItyarthaM pavamAna homaM kariShye". The dravya of the homa is "tilamishra-Ajya", ghee mixed with sesame, (or just ghee in many instances). The PavamAna sUkta is a very potent suKta for purifying one from sins just as the Rudra adhyAya is for the Yajurvedins. The PavamAna sUkta is also recited during Pitr-karmas to please the Pitrs.

The sUktas 9.68 onwards until 9,114 in the ninth maNDala form what is called the pUyamAna sUkta. There is a tradition among Rigvedins to recite the PavamAna sUkta on ekAdashI days, followed by the pUyamAna on the dvAdashI day. The entire ninth maNDala is unique in that it is dedicated to Soma, as per the sarvAnukramaNi vAkya and sAyaNAchArya's comment, "navamaM maNDalaM pAvamAnaM saumyam iti vacanAt pavamAnaguNavishiShTaH somo devatA." The 114 sUktas are said to be divided into 7 anuvAkas, where each anuvAka has predominant chandas. For example, in the first anuvAka consisting of sUktas 1-67, the predominant chandas is gAyatri, in the second anuvAka consisting of sUktas 68-86, the chandas is jagatI, in the third anuvAka of sUktas 87-97 it is triShTup, etc.

In the shrauta context, the pavamAna hymn finds application in the soma yAga, as per sAyaNAchArya's comment, based on the AshvalAyana shrauta sUtra, 

ग्रावस्तोत्रेऽर्बुदसूक्तस्य प्रागुत्तमाया इदमादिकं सर्वं पावमानं विकल्पेनावपनीयम् , सूत्रितं च

Finally, among contemporary Vaidikas, some believe the pavamAna sUkta is addressed to mahAdeva (one accompanied by umA is soma), while the pUyamAna is addressed to mahAvishnu. Still others believe the pavamAna is addressed to vAyu. We should take this in the spirit of the mantra, "ekaM sad viprA bahudhA vadanti".

Anand

[Harshit Shrivastava]

I am thankful for both the replies! But why it is called as Pavamana "Pancha" Suktam?

On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 8:20:42 PM UTC+5:30, Harshit Shrivastava wrote:

[shankara]

Sir,

Thanks a lot for posting these enlightening details regarding Pavamana Sukta.

 

regards
shankara

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From: Anand Hudli <ahu...@gmail.com>
To: भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत् <bvpar...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2016 6:35 PM
Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Re: Pavamana Pancha Suktam

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[Anand Hudli]

Dear Scholars,

Given the length of the PavamAna sUkta, it is possible some prayoga traditions have included only a small selection of the entire collection of 67 sUktas. The Rigvedic proyoga that I am familiar with, quite popular in southern Karnataka by the name श्रीनृसिंहप्रयोगपारिजात आश्वलायनपूर्वप्रयोग, includes a small selection (7 sUktas) of the full PavamAna sUkta as part of the udaka shAnti ritual. However, when a regular PavamAna homa is done, it must include all the 67 sUktas, not less.

Anand

[Sivasenani Nori]

Sir

Have you heard or read any Vedic scholar referring to the entire Mandala, or the collection sent by you as pavamaana-panca-sUkta? If so, where and in what context? That information might help resolve the question.

9.97 is the longest Sukta in the Rigveda with 58 Rks.

Regards

N. Siva Senani

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[Harshit Shrivastava]

Sivaseni Sir, I first read the term "pavamana pancha suktam" in the comments

section of a youtube video of pavamana suktam. Then some time afterwards,

I read the following facebook post:

https://www.facebook.com/vedanidhi/posts/204276252972588

In it there is a section which stated clearly:

The famous and auspicious Pavamana Mantras in the ninth Mandala of Rigveda, are 610 in number. The Mantras are well known as Pavamana Pancha Suktas.

I tried for an explanation from Vedanidhi & Datta Peetham, but I didn't get the reply.

The file which I uploaded is having 610 pavamana mantras in 67 suktams.

Anand Sir also clearly replied that that the pavamana suktam includes all

the suktams from 9.1 to 9.67. Thus it is verified. But the mystery of "pancha" continues.

On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 8:20:42 PM UTC+5:30, Harshit Shrivastava wrote:

[Sivasenani Nori]

The post is authentic, and from a respectable source. However the context does not help. Then, at this point in time, we need to simply take it as one tradition. 

Sorry that we are not moving forward on this question.

Regards

N. Siva Senani

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[Aurobind Padiyath]

Is there any relation to this to the reference to अथातः पवमानानामेवाभ्यारोहः स वै खलु प्रस्तोता साम प्रस्तौति....... br.up.1.3.28?

Aurobind Padiyath

[shankara]

Harshit,

A manuscript of Pavamana Pancha Sukta is available at Penn library website -

http://dla.library.upenn.edu/dla/medren/pageturn.html?id=MEDREN_3178066&doubleside=0&rotation=0&size=1&currentpage=38

Its colophon reads as follows - इति पंचसूक्तसहपवमानसमाप्तः।

From the above, it seems that pancha sukta and Pavamana sukta are not identical.

 

regards
shankara

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From: Harshit Shrivastava <hshriv...@gmail.com>

To: भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत् <bvpar...@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2016 8:52 PM
Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Re: Pavamana Pancha Suktam

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[Subrahmanyam Korada]

नमो विद्वद्भ्यः

I got some information from one of my close relatives , who has got theoretical and  practical knowledge of it --

Name of the book - 

वैदिकसप्तशतीपवमानपञ्चसूक्तप्रयोगः 

Script 

देवनागरी and तेलुगु

Available with -

Sri Narendra Kapre , Hyderabad , Phone - 040-27501471

What is this ? -

starting with - स्वादिष्ठया मदिष्ठया  - four सूक्तs (610 Mantras) + fifth सूक्त --- is called  पवमानपञ्चसूक्तम् ( some people take 610 Mantras only and call it पवमानसूक्तम्) ।

Purpose -- 

पवमानहोमः / पवमानपञ्चसूक्तहोमः(?)

Who are doing this -

ऋग्वेदिनः , केरळीयाः , माध्वाः, दत्तसंप्रदायानुसारिणः ( may be in Maharastra also - Kapre belongs to Maharastra , settled in Andhra)

What is the context ? --

पवमान(पञ्चसूक्त ) होमः -

1.विवाहानन्तरम्  रजस्वलादोषनिवारणार्थम् 

2. (नूतन-) गृहप्रवेशानन्तरम्

3.दत्तचरितस्य चतुरध्यायपारायणानन्तरम्

Sorry ,initially I could not spare time while preparing to conduct a Workshop on Mimamsa in Kerala , next month end.

धन्यो’स्मि

Dr.Korada Subrahmanyam
Professor of Sanskrit, CALTS,
University of Hyderabad,
Ph:09866110741(M),91-40-23010741(R),040-23133660(O)

Skype Id: Subrahmanyam Korada

Blog: Koradeeyam.blogspot.in 

[Hnbhat B.R.]

On 29-Feb-2016 10:18 am, "Subrahmanyam Korada" <kora...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> starting with - स्वादिष्ठया मदिष्ठया  - four सूक्तs (610 Mantras) + fifth सूक्त --- is called  पवमानपञ्चसूक्तम् ( some people take 610 Mantras only and call it पवमानसूक्तम्) ।
>

So including the 5th Sukta, the four Suktas beginning with स्वादिष्ठया is called पवमानपञ्चसूक्त. Excluding the fifth, it is called पवमानसूक्त only and not पवमानपञ्चसूक्त. Confusion raised is now cleared regarding naming the question.

Only the details of the fifth Sukta and Mantras in it would be helpful.

[shankara]

Namaste,

The number of mantras in the 5 suktas beginning with स्वादिष्ठया मदिष्ठया is only 51, not 610. How is this resolved?

 

regards
shankara

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To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Pavamana Pancha Suktam

[Anand Hudli]

I have a pavamAna homa manual by Shri Dhali Lakshminarasimha Bhat, which contains 5 Rigvedic sUktas in addition to the PavamAna itself. These are 1) Purusha sUkta 2) Vishnu sUkta 3) नतमंहोसूक्त 10.126 4) इतिवाइतिसूक्त 10.119 and 5) अस्यवामीयसूक्त 1.164. 

The author has mentioned these are the पवमानपंचसूक्तानि. So this solves the puzzle of the PavamAna Pancha Sukta, I hope.

Anand

[shankara]

Sir,

Thanks for providing this explanation. The manuscript of Pavamana Pancha Sukta at Penn Libraries Website also begins with Purusha Sukta.

 

regards
shankara

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[Subrahmanyam Korada]

नमो विद्वद्भ्यः

Sorry for the  error - my brother is suffering from senility (वार्धक्यलक्षणानि) ।

It is 610 Mantras of first four Adhyayas (starting with स्वादिष्ठया) + 5th Adhyaya (not सूक्तम्) - down to फलश्रुति ।

The above is in vogue in Konaseema (East Godavari District) .

Even in this some Pundits add / recite पुरुषसूक्तम् and नतमहो सूक्तम् at the end (पवमान + 2 सूक्ते) ।

Elsewhere some scholars may add - पुरुष - विष्णु - नतमहो - इतिवा - अस्यवामीय सूक्तानि and call them (पवमान + 5सूक्तानि ) पवमानपञ्चसूक्तानि ।

धन्यो’स्मि

Dr.Korada Subrahmanyam
Professor of Sanskrit, CALTS,
University of Hyderabad,
Ph:09866110741(M),91-40-23010741(R),040-23133660(O)

Skype Id: Subrahmanyam Korada

Blog: Koradeeyam.blogspot.in 

[shankara]

Sir,

Thank you very much for the explanation of 610 mantras and for providing additional details.

 

regards
shankara

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From: Subrahmanyam Korada <kora...@gmail.com>
To: "bvpar...@googlegroups.com" <bvpar...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 29 February 2016 12:19 PM

[Harshit Shrivastava]

I am very much thankful for all the replies. The link to manuscript provided

by shankara sir, gave the following results:

The starting is with the पुरुष सूक्त(10.90.1-10.90.16)

Then the pavamana sukta is divided into five chapters:

[Ist chapter] - [09.01.01 - 09.12.09]

[IInd chapter] - [09.13.01 - 09.43.06]

[IIIrd chapter] - [09.44.01 - 09.64.30]

[IVth chapter] - [09.65.01 - 09.67.32 + khila mantras (phalashruti) (only the last mantra of phalashruti is absent)]

[Vth chapter] - [RV 10.126 (complete 8 mantas) + RV 10.119 (complete 13 mantras) + RV 01.164 (अस्य वामीय तत्वज्ञान सूक्त, complete 52 mantras)]

According to the manuscript, this is the pavamana pancha sukta.

On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 8:20:42 PM UTC+5:30, Harshit Shrivastava wrote:

[Ramachandra Sastry]

Namaste Anand-ji,

You said :

Finally, among contemporary Vaidikas, some believe the pavamAna sUkta is addressed to mahAdeva (one accompanied by umA is soma),

Can I know if there is any reference for the above say by Vaidikas, I heard Shaunaka has listed this in his book.

Could you please provide the reference if you have.

Regards

Ramachandra 

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[Harshit Shrivastava]

Also it is interesting to note that in the manuscript discussed above,

in the right side, on almost every alternate page, शिव is written!

Datta Peetham also supports it's connection with Lord Siva:

https://www.facebook.com/sgspage/posts/10151179000228450

It is also to note that kartika krisna ekadasi is special with pavamana,

& the next day ,i;e, dwadasi with pooyamana. Apart from the above link,

also the following one clearly supports the same.

http://manomayam.blogspot.in/2013/11/pavamana-homa.html

Kartika Bahula Ekadasi (11th Day after Poornima) is the stipulated day to perform Pavamana Homa annually. Dwadashi dat, Pooyamana Homa sequel of Pavamana Homa shall be conducted. Rigvidhana Scripture, details the procedure and time.

Now, in one of the replies given by Korada Sir, .दत्तचरितस्य चतुरध्यायपारायणानन्तरम् is one

of the given context. Does this mean after every four chapters of Guru Charitra or something else?

On Saturday, February 27, 2016 at 8:20:42 PM UTC+5:30, Harshit Shrivastava wrote:

[Subrahmanyam Korada]

नमो विद्वद्भ्यः

Now, in one of the replies given by Korada Sir, .दत्तचरितस्य चतुरध्यायपारायणानन्तरम् is one

of the given context. Does this mean after every four chapters of Guru Charitra or something else?

                                    -- Vidvan Harshita Srivastava

Frankly speaking - I do not have any knowledge of the work दतचरितम् or the दत्तसंप्रदाय । I just produced whatever my cousin brother said in this regard. He is also not a follower of  दत्तसंप्रदाय ।

So mine is श्रुतपाण्डित्यम् ।

But as the term suggests it can be after each four अध्यायs - this is subject to the decision of experts in that संप्रदाय ।

Better to contact any पीठम् - preferably the द्त्तपीठम् at Mysore - विद्वान् वंशीकृष्णघनपाठी may throw some light on this .

धन्यो’स्मि

Dr.Korada Subrahmanyam
Professor of Sanskrit, CALTS,
University of Hyderabad,
Ph:09866110741(M),91-40-23010741(R),040-23133660(O)

Skype Id: Subrahmanyam Korada

Blog: Koradeeyam.blogspot.in 

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[Anand Hudli]

Dear Ramachandraji,

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:26:57 AM UTC+5:30, Ramachandra wrote:

Namaste Anand-ji,

You said :

Finally, among contemporary Vaidikas, some believe the pavamAna sUkta is addressed to mahAdeva (one accompanied by umA is soma),

Can I know if there is any reference for the above say by Vaidikas, I heard Shaunaka has listed this in his book.

Could you please provide the reference if you have.

I could not find any textual reference but I have heard priests talking about this, when I participated in a PavamAna homa. As far as shaunka's RigvidhAna is concerned, there is no mention of shiva or vishnu. In one of the verses dealing with the pavamAna sUkta, he does mention Agni, Soma, and Sarasvati.

उपोष्याज्यं च जुहुयादग्निं सोमं च पूजयेत् ॥३.१६॥

सरस्वतीं चार्चयेत पयोऽम्बुमधुसर्पिषा।

 

Regards,

Anand