archive.org taking down many Gita Press books

[Swapnil Belapurkar]

Jai SitaRam,

I am observing that many good Gita Press books which were available on archive.org are being taken down. This includes the entire 6 khanda of Mahabharata published by Gita Press or vyakarana books such as Bhaimi Teeka on Laghu Sidhant Kaumudi.

I don't believe it is Gita Press which is taking down these books. Many of their Purana, Ramayana are available on archive.org for all. It seems to be the work of some self-important book scanner.

It is disappointing and scary that some self-important book scanners can veto knowledge distribution by random deletions of archive.org. 

May I suggest Indica academy can help host a Hindu centric e-book server ? Shri Nagaraj garu plz weigh in with your thoughts !

Jai SitaRam,

Swapnil

[K S Kannan]

Dear SitaRam,

This concurs with my experience too.

Is there a monitor for Archive.org which keeps notifying

which new books have been added each day or each week ?

The moment a Sanskrit/Indology-related book makes an appearance,

it must immediately be copied to (at least) half a dozen locations/collections

(if possible automatically), and preserved there.

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Dear Sri Swapnil,

I am not knowledgeable in this area. 

I will consult knowledgeable persons about how archive.org works. 

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[Damodara Dasa]

Hare Krishna.

Respected vidvaj-janas,
My few cents of a suggestion here:

There could be a system in Archive.org itself that anyone (for
instance say me) uploads a book or media and sets the license of his
page as public, then the location of the page and files should become
global which means that even if the person decides to delete these
things from his own account, still it is available at the same link
for all. Such files and pages can be permanently deleted only by
archive.org officials. The persons who have personal accounts can
still delete their entries from their accounts.

Thankyou,
Hari Guru Vaisnava das,
damodara das

[K S Kannan]

Dear Damodara Dasa ji,

As you have contributed quite a few items to archive.org,

please check/discuss with them formally, or better even informally,

regarding their fuller schemes and policies, legal issues/embarrassments,

and headaches and solutions etc. so that we get a better picture of the whole situation.

What if one fellow (not the publisher, but only an uploader) demands removal of a book,

but another uploads the same saying the former uploader is not the publisher.

Is there a possible way of getting to know about the typical uploaders

and the typical removal-demanders? And about how many books have been removed

so far? And what is usually the fate of the books removed?

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[Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan]

Dear Swapnil-ji

Gita press books should *not* be on archive.org. They are copyrighted. Folks please spend the minimal amount they charge and buy their books. I have many of them in my collection. So well bound, nice paper and fantastic fonts. 

Ramakrishnan 

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[Kushagra Aniket]

I agree with Ramakrishnan Ji. However, for those who are abroad or cannot keep a large library due to travel, Gita Press should produce digital copies of books and charge us the full price. I would be happy to pay a higher price if I could somehow acquire a digital set of their books.

Kushagra Aniket

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[Paras Mehta]

I totally agree.

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

There is a difference between publishing rights and copywrite

One can delete what what one uploads on arches.org

I totally agree copywrite material should not be uploaded its against law.

The copywrite holder  feels his or her rights are violated its he or she who need to take up the issue. Let others not decide what is one rights.

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act requires that a claim of copyright infringement be sent to the service provider, providing specific information as outlined below.

DMCA Section (512)(f) provides penalties for knowingly misrepresenting a claim.

DMCA Section 512(c)(3)(A) requires the following of notices alleging copyright infringement:

ELEMENTS OF NOTIFICATION. To be effective under this subsection, a notification of claimed infringement must be a written communication provided to the Registered Agent of a service provider that includes substantially the following:(i)A physical or electronic signature of a person authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed. [As an electronic signature, our agent accepts facsimile/fax and digitized image of your signature attached to electronic mail.](ii)Identification of the copyrighted work claimed to have been infringed, or, if multiple copyrighted works at a single online site are covered by a single notification, a representative list of such works at that site.(iii)Identification of the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity and that is to be removed or access to which is to be disabled, and information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to locate the material.[Please include a URL such as http://.../.../... identifying the material or representative material. If possible, specify any IDs, passwords, or other authorization required to access the material. Please specify date, time, and time zone from which the material was observed. Technicians may require time information in order to identify dynamically assigned internet locations.(iv)Information reasonably sufficient to permit the service provider to contact the complaining party, such as an address, telephone number, and, if available, an electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted.(v)A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.(vi)A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.

DMCA Section 512(d)(3) requires similar information for notices requesting removal of links or other references to infringing materials.

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:25 PM Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is a difference between publishing rights and copywrite

Very good point.

 

I totally agree copywrite material should not be uploaded its against law.

Contradicts the prior very good point. If reproduction is explicitly barred, there will be a note stating something like "All rights reserved". If it is explicitly allowed, there will be some reference to a license like cc-by-nc . Otherwise, it's a grey area.

 

The copywrite holder  feels his or her rights are violated its he or she who need to take up the issue. Let others not decide what is one rights.

Exactly. I couldn't have put it better. 

Some orgs are founded for something beyond profit and survival for its own sake.

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Copyright is for a duration once  the right expires anyone can publish including  digital publishing unless copywrite  is renewed.

I scan a out of copywrite material I can upload to archives.org under a creative  common license or without such a license.

I can only point out if my rights have been violated. I cannot decide if others rights are violated.  If I don't have objection to my material being used why should others.

If the copywrite holder has objections or questions it must be directed to concerned person or the website .

A publishing write is a permission or an agreement between the copywrite holder and a publisher which has a fixed duration. 

The Grey area is for works whose copywrite  cannot be clearly determined. 

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[Swapnil Belapurkar]

Jai SitaRam,

Shri Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan,

To clarify: I purchase every Gita Press book I read. 

I have the entire 6 khanda Mahabharata and other Puranas with me published by Gita Press. 

I am not looking to save money by relying on archive.org instead of buying.

I use archive.org for two purposes:

1. Disseminating shloka and other interesting information in Itihasa , Purana. This is very helpful when discussing a specific part with other vidvaans.

Photos of hard copy books taken with a phone are not very clear. On the other hand archive.org has very clear scans.

2. Some very rare books are not available on Gita Press site for purchase at all. One such book is Bhaimi Teeka of Laghu Siddhant Kaumudi.

   This is a very niche topic and Gita press lists no book currently for purchase. But archive.org has uploads that can help students.

Ajit,

1. Are you speaking on behalf of Gita Press here ? If so in what capacity i.e. do you work for Gita Press?

2. 'Copyright' of Mahabharata & Puranas will be with Bhagvan Vedvyasa. 

    I hope no publisher or Canon Xerox scanner is proclaiming to be Bhagvan Vedvayasa. :-)

Jai SitaRam,

Swapnil

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[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 2:23 PM Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

A publishing write is a permission or an agreement between the copywrite holder and a publisher which has a fixed duration. 

How long is this duration ordinarily? I know cases where the author wants his work to spread, but the publisher has a far narrower/ lower focus.

 

The Grey area is for works whose copywrite  cannot be clearly determined. 

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 2:10 PM विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) <vishvas...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:25 PM Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is a difference between publishing rights and copywrite

Very good point.

 

I totally agree copywrite material should not be uploaded its against law.

Contradicts the prior very good point. If reproduction is explicitly barred, there will be a note stating something like "All rights reserved". If it is explicitly allowed, there will be some reference to a license like cc-by-nc . Otherwise, it's a grey area.

 

The copywrite holder  feels his or her rights are violated its he or she who need to take up the issue. Let others not decide what is one rights.

Exactly. I couldn't have put it better. 

Some orgs are founded for something beyond profit and survival for its own sake.

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2021, 2:46 PM Swapnil Belapurkar <swapnil.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

Jai SitaRam,

Shri Balasubramanian Ramakrishnan,

To clarify: I purchase every Gita Press book I read. 

I have the entire 6 khanda Mahabharata and other Puranas with me published by Gita Press. 

I am not looking to save money by relying on archive.org instead of buying.

I use archive.org for two purposes:

1. Disseminating shloka and other interesting information in Itihasa , Purana. This is very helpful when discussing a specific part with other vidvaans.

Photos of hard copy books taken with a phone are not very clear. On the other hand archive.org has very clear scans.

2. Some very rare books are not available on Gita Press site for purchase at all. One such book is Bhaimi Teeka of Laghu Siddhant Kaumudi.

   This is a very niche topic and Gita press lists no book currently for purchase. But archive.org has uploads that can help students.

Ajit,

1. Are you speaking on behalf of Gita Press here ? If so in what capacity i.e. do you work for Gita Press?

No do you? Neither Sri Balsubramaniamji. I wish illegal scans of any press doesn't take place. But if it does its not for non copywrite holders to decode that's the law. My admiration  and respect for Gita press. I Buy their books.

2. 'Copyright' of Mahabharata & Puranas will be with Bhagvan Vedvyasa. 

    I hope no publisher or Canon Xerox scanner is proclaiming to be Bhagvan Vedvayasa. :-)

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Since a publishing agreement is between the copywrite holder and publisher it cannot exceed the duration of the copywrite itself.

Copywrite laws varies from country to country.

Let me make my understanding clear Puranas of works of Kalidasa are not udder copywrite it public domain but if I make a edition  of a purana or works of Kaildasa then such a work is under my copywrite. If I have spent 20 years to write introduction and critical notes such material is under my copywrite. If my work gets illegally uploaded or copies are made I can make a request not to do and if the request fails can take recourse to law. If such an activity hurts the publishers interest then the publisher can act as per law. If the publisher or copywrite holder is not bothered none should be bothered.

The key is making a balance between knowledge dissemination, rights of individual and business. Unfortunately the balance has tilted towrds publishers and the author or editor hardly see any money. Open publishing is best if it can be sustained but its left to authors to decide on what they want to do with their material

Regards

Ajit Gargeshwari

[Ajit Gargeshwari]

The word if copyright and not copywrite

The key is making. ----The key is towards a balance

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari

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