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Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma

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Dear Esteemed Members,

This forwarded message serves two purposes.
1)To express gratitude on behalf of Foundation for Indian Scientific Heritage,Surathkal
Karnataka, Bharatam

to Dr.S.Kalyanaraman, Director, Sarasvati Research Center
President,Ramasetu Protection Movement,India and BoD member of World Association
for Vedic Studies,
who has so kindly provided a copy of his newly published book
Indus Script Cipher (First paperback printing July 2010) to FISH for study, reviewing
and spreading (better expressed स्वाध्याय-प्रवचन-प्रचार:) this ground breaking finding among all those who have the conviction that heritage awareness makes one an enlightened citizen.

2)To urge all members to promote this book which is the Pride of Bharatam to every library with prioritized display on the new arrival Notice Boards and show cases. Scholars are welcome to post their reviews in our Group.
 Let me proudly take this opportunity to move a proposal to confer upon Dr.S.Kalyanaraman the title of Bharata-Samskruti-Ratnam during the forthcoming Three Day International Conference on Veda Vidya, 2011, (which is organized by Sri Vadiraja Research Foundation, Puthige and Foundation for Indian Scientific Heritage, Surathkal).


।।वन्दे मातरं।। 



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From: S. Kalyanaraman <kaly...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Subject: Review of Dr. S. Kalyanaraman’s Book Indus Script Cipher by Prof. Shivaji Singh
To:


I am humbled by this review by Prof. Shivaji Singh whose contributions to an understanding of Vedic People constitute a paradigm shift in civilization studies. 

I wish that this will help promote studies in the formation and evolution of Indian languages in the cultural continuum of a linguistic area.

dhanyosmi.

kalyanaraman

Review of Dr. S. Kalyanaraman’s Book Indus Script Cipher (First paperback printing July 2010)

by Prof. Shivaji Singh

Former Head of the Department of Ancient History,Archaeology and Culture, University of Gorakhpur (India) Presently National President, ABISY

A real treat for everyone interested in the earliest writing system of South Asia 

Dr. Kalyanaraman’s book Indus Script Cipher (2010) comes as a luminous ray of hope that brushes aside the gloom hitherto prevailing in the field of Indus (or, rather, Sarasvati-Sindhu) palaeography and epigraphy. Not only all efforts aimed at deciphering the script had failed, there were no signs of even a partial success in that direction. “It is sad to observe” wrote Gregory L. Possehl in 1996, “that, except for the concordances, we are no nearer a decipherment than G. R. Hunter was in 1929.” The situation had remained unchanged till today despite the efforts made by some scholars including N. Jha and N. S. Rajaram in the period following Possehl’s remark. Many a scholars had even started feeling that Indus inscriptions would perhaps never be read! It is a matter of pleasure to note that Kalyanaraman’s present book has succeeded in changing this pessimistic scenario.

It is well-known that very ancient writing systems are seldom alphabetic. They are mnemonic, pictographic, ideographic, logographic, etc., in pure or mixed forms. The scholars trying to decipher the Indus script did not pay due attention to this fact and seldom engaged in investigating the evolutionary level on which the Indus writing system was located. Debates about the script remained confined to whether the language of the Indus people was Proto-Dravidian, Early or Pre-Vedic Sanskrit, or Proto-Munda. The controversy about the Aryan Problem seems to have come in the way of a proper approach to Indus script decipherment.

The author of the Indus Script Cipher makes it very clear in the very beginning of the book that no a-priori assumptions are made about ‘the theories related to invasions and migrations or chronology of movements of people into or out of India which yielded the majority of Indus script inscriptions’. It is this capacity of the author to remain objective in an emotionally and politically charged atmosphere that has made this book a great success.

The author successfully demonstrates that the Indus writing uses the rebus method. It is a simple method used by several ancient writing systems that have evolved or are evolving beyond the pictographic stage. It is based on likeness of sound or homophony. The figure of an ‘eye’ may be made for writing ‘I’ since ‘eye’ and ‘I’ are homophonous. Similarly, wavy lines may be drawn to indicate a ‘sea’ for writing the word ‘see’.

There are many features that make this book laudable. But, to my mind the most noteworthy (or rather praiseworthy) is the understanding of the term ‘mlechchha’ arrived at in this book. The author of the book, Dr. Kalyanaraman, has outwitted all subaltern historians by assigning a noble status to this term.

I am sure that Dr. Kalyanaraman’s name will go down the history and he will be remembered with reverence by future generations for this extraordinary contribution.





--
Aangirasa/Dr.S.Ramakrishna Sharma. M.A.,Ph.D.(Eng.Lit.),Ph.D.(Sanskrit.).
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Veeranarayana Pandurangi

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hats off to Dr.kalyanaraman for his great effort and to Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma for bringing it ot our notice. please let us know where the book is published and how to get it.

--
अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)



--
Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Head, Dept of Darshanas,
Yoganandacharya Bhavan,
Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Rajasthan Samskrita University, Madau, post Bhankrota, Jaipur, 302026.

अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)

Bhagwan Singh

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It is not clear what does the reviwer tell us about the new findings of Dr. Kalyanraman. Generla theoretical statements are a proof that there is little specific.


--- On Wed, 1/9/10, Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veer...@gmail.com> wrote:

navaratna rajaramnavaratna

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    Sri Bhagwan Singh is right. There is no methodology or even an attempt at a historical context. Bruahi is invoked but there is no evidence of its existence before the Medieval period.
 
    Also, there is no attempt at comaparative palaeography. No comparison with Brahmi or other ancient scripts.
 
    Even if you disagree with what Jha and I have done in our book, we have given a historical context, placing the Harappans in the post-Vedic period.
 
    The author seems to accept Parpola's Dravidian hypothesis. If Dravidian politicians who paid Parpola can claim archaeological remains in Punjab-Haryana as the creation of their ancestors, Akali politicians can claim Mahabalipuram, Rameshwaram etc as the work of their Sardarji ancestors.
 
    If the Harappan language was proto-Tamil, the language old Tamil nadu inscriptions must be proto-Punjabi.
 
    I am rewriting the book. The writing is important for it was the seed of later India and Southeast Asian writing.
 
    I am giving several talks on this in Europe, U.K. and the U.S.A. over the next several months.
 
N.S. Rajaram

Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma

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Sep 3, 2010, 1:25:10 AM9/3/10
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>please let us know where the book is published and how to get it.
As I happened to receive the parcel from USA, I think that the book
is yet to be made available in the Indian Book Stalls.
 
Kindly contact Dr.Kalyanaraman for copies.

"S. Kalyanaraman" <kaly...@gmail.com>,
Aangirasa/Dr.S.Ramakrishna Sharma. M.A.,Ph.D.(Eng.Lit.),Ph.D.(Sanskrit.).

kalyan

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Sep 3, 2010, 2:19:58 PM9/3/10
to भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्
https://sites.google.com/site/kalyan97/indus-script-cipher This page
links to reviews of the book, Indus Script Cipher by Prof. Shivaji
Singh, Prof. TR Narasimha Rao, Dr. Vijaya Rajiva, Dr. Kamlesh Kapur,
Smt. Giti Thadani and my notes on some comments with links to Indian
Lexicon and the intro of the Lexicon. I will be happy to add all
critiques and reviews on this page.

A copy of the introduction to the 2500 page Indian Lexicon may be seen
for a reference to the historical context for the formation and
evolution of Indian languages. Pages 267 to 292 of Indian Lexicon:
Introduction. May be downloaded/read at http://www.docstoc.com/docs/52936775/introlexicon

a. The multi-lingual Indian Lexicon is available for search by any
word in any language, downloadable/can be read athttp://www.scribd.com/doc/2232617/lexicon

b. A book review by V. Sundaram of the Indian Lexicon (6 pages) is at
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/50190786/Indian-Lexicon

I hope the work will promote further studies in the evolution of
Indian languages,

There is no invocation of Brahui. On the contrary, a number of
semantic clusters are cited from ALL Indian languages to establish the
sprachbund (language union or Indian linguistic area of all language
families).

I repudiate and disagree with Asko Parpola's claim. I have also given
reasons why I disagree with his and Iravatham Mahadevan's 'readings'.
I do not know if there is any reference to the pictorial motifs or
field symbols -- svastika, standard device, fish etc. -- in their
works nor to the continued use of hieroglyphs in the Indian tradition
(e.g. Sohgaura copper plate, Rampurva copper bolt, tens of thousands
of punch-marked coins, sculptures of Bharhut, Sanchi, glyphs on Jaina
aayaagapaTTas and in Khandagiri caves).

There is no invocation of Brahui. On the contrary, a number of
semantic clusters are cited from ALL Indian languages to establish the
sprachbund (language union or Indian linguistic area of all language
families).

dhanyavaadah.

kalyanaraman

PS. The book is available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble and Borders.
Hopefully, an Indian edition will come out soon.

k

On Sep 1, 6:49 am, navaratna rajaramnavaratna
<rajaramnavara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>     Sri Bhagwan Singh is right. There is no methodology or even an attempt
> at a historical context. Bruahi is invoked but there is no evidence of its
> existence before the Medieval period.
>
>     Also, there is no attempt at comaparative palaeography. No comparison
> with Brahmi or other ancient scripts.
>
>     Even if you disagree with what Jha and I have done in our book, we have
> given a historical context, placing the Harappans in the post-Vedic period.
>
>     The author seems to accept Parpola's Dravidian hypothesis. If Dravidian
> politicians who paid Parpola can claim archaeological remains in
> Punjab-Haryana as the creation of their ancestors, Akali politicians can
> claim Mahabalipuram, Rameshwaram etc as the work of their Sardarji
> ancestors.
>
>     If the Harappan language was proto-Tamil, the language old Tamil nadu
> inscriptions must be proto-Punjabi.
>
>     I am rewriting the book. The writing is important for it was the seed of
> later India and Southeast Asian writing.
>
>     I am giving several talks on this in Europe, U.K. and the U.S.A. over
> the next several months.
>
> N.S. Rajaram
>
> On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Bhagwan Singh <bhagwan...@yahoo.co.in>wrote:
>
>
>
> >   It is not clear what does the reviwer tell us about the new findings of
> > Dr. Kalyanraman. Generla theoretical statements are a proof that there is
> > little specific.
>
> > --- On *Wed, 1/9/10, Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veera...@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> > From: Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veera...@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Fwd: Review of Dr. S. Kalyanaraman’s
> > Book Indus Script Cipher by Prof. Shivaji Singh
> > To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, 1 September, 2010, 2:45 PM
>
> > hats off to Dr.kalyanaraman for his great effort and to Dr. S. Ramakrishna
> > Sharma for bringing it ot our notice. please let us know where the book is
> > published and how to get it.
>
> > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma <
> > d.ramakrishn...@gmail.com<http://in.mc88.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=d.ramakrishn...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > *Dear Esteemed Members,
>
> > **This forwarded message serves two purposes.*
> > *1)To express gratitude on behalf of Foundation for Indian Scientific
> > Heritage,Surathkal
> > Karnataka, Bharatam*
> > *to Dr.S.Kalyanaraman, Director, Sarasvati Research Center
> > President,Ramasetu Protection Movement,India and BoD member of World
> > Association
> > for Vedic Studies,* *who has so kindly provided a copy of his newly
> > published book
> > *
> > *Indus Script Cipher **(First paperback printing July 2010) to FISH for
> > study, reviewing
> > and spreading (better expressed स्वाध्याय-प्रवचन-प्रचार:) this ground
> > breaking finding among all those who have the conviction that heritage
> > awareness makes one an enlightened citizen.*
> > *2)To urge all members to promote this book which is the Pride of Bharatamto every library
> > ** with prioritized display on the new arrival Notice Boards and show
> > cases. Scholars are welcome to post their reviews in our Group.
> >  Let me proudly take this opportunity to move a proposal to confer upon
> > Dr.S.Kalyanaraman the title of Bharata-Samskruti-Ratnam during the
> > forthcoming Three Day International Conference on Veda Vidya, 2011, (which
> > is organized by Sri Vadiraja Research Foundation, Puthige and Foundation for
> > Indian Scientific Heritage, Surathkal).
>
> > ।।वन्दे मातरं।।
> > *

S. Kalyanaraman

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धन्योस्मि 
धन्यवादः कल्याणरामन

Respected Prof. Makkhan Lal ji,

I have arranged to send 2 copies to your address. I will also send to Prof. Bhagwan Singh ji, as soon as I get his address. I will deem it a privilege, if you choose to review it.

I wish many children get interested in language studies. We are inheritors of such a treasure of works in languages, e.g. Bharata's Natya Shastra, Bhartrhari's Vaakyapadeeya, Patanjali's Mahabhashya (apart from Panini's Ashthaddhyayi), Hemachandra Acharya's Deshi naamamaalaa (Prakrt grammar), scores of Nighantus. Now many of our language dictionaries are also available online. There is also a need to promote researches into our vishwakarma traditions. Ours is a cultural continuum which saw hundreds of mints from Takshashila to Karur producing punch-marked coins from ca. 1000 BCE (pace Prof. DR Bhandarkar's lecture on Numismatics). This work is also available in full online. http://tinyurl.com/28kw9b4 As I was pouring into our lexicons, for nearly 30 years now, let me cite just one example. I found reference in Kittel, to a remarkable work in Kannada: Siddhanti Subrahmanya S’astri’s new interpretation of the Amarakos’a, Bangalore, Vicaradarpana Press, 1872 which refers to a gloss: aduru. 'ore taken from the mine and not subjected to melting in a furnace.' Rebus word, adar in Santali means 'bos indicus, brahmani bull or zebu'. Many such gemstones of our cultural heritage wait to be identified :)--

As we relate the grand narrative of our heritage, we often encounter the pessimistic statement, 'Indus script has not been deciphered so far'. I hope this tune will change as more multi-disciplinary researches emerge and we will be able to hand over the deepam handed down to us by our pitr-s and maatr-s burning bright to our next generation.

Looking forward to your new books, Prof. Makkhan Lal ji, on the games historians play.

dhanyavaadah.

kalyanaraman

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 2:16 AM, makkhan lal <makkha...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
Dear Dr. Kalyanaraman,
 
I am very touched by your gesture and thought of sending me a copy of your book and enquiring about my mailing address. However, not to sound immodest and being rude I am writing below my mailing address:
 
Prof. Makkhan Lal
Forest View Apartments
29-E/B, Ward No. 1
DESU Road
Mehrauli
New Delhi - 110 030
 
But at the same time, I must confess that I have no understanding of the discipline of Linguistics or philology and I have no pretension of being scholar in any field. Yes, I know a bit of archaeology and history. Again a confession that after being about 30 years in archaeology and ancient history, I have fallen back by about five years as I have not read anything of those because I have devoting all my time on modern history and the games that the historians are playing with such words as secularism and communalism. Have brought out a few books on that and still a few in pipe line.
 
Yes, I am keeping in touch with my primary discipline because that gives me the means of physical survival. When I read of languages and the issues concerning Aryan invasion I am almost driven to the level of insanity. The same happens with the Harappan script.  I am sure it is not the faults of authors or the profounder of theories but something is wrong with me. Anything devoid of basic methodology (that too it has to be consistent throughout) does not attract me. That’s what I have found most of the time while reading claims and counter claims on decipherment of Indus script. Faces of James Princep and Jean Francois Champollion do not leave me even for a second while I am reading such things.  
 
Also, I am very fascinated by amazing versatility of many scholars who are able to comment almost on anything and everything. I wish I could do so on even a fraction of that. Many of us many not be knowing my limitations but surely Prof. Sivaji Singh and Prof. T.P. Verma know very well.
 
With best regards,
 
 
Prof. Makkhan Lal


--- On Fri, 3/9/10, S. Kalyanaraman <kaly...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: S. Kalyanaraman <kaly...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Fwd: Review of Dr. S. Kalyanaraman’s Book Indus Script Cipher by Prof. Shivaji Singh
To: "Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma" <d.ramak...@gmail.com>
Cc: "shiva ji" <prof_...@yahoo.com>, bhagw...@yahoo.co.in, rajaramn...@gmail.com, pvsh...@aol.com, makkha...@yahoo.co.in, bsi...@umassd.edu
Date: Friday, 3 September, 2010, 3:29 PM


I need Prof. Bhagwan Singh's and Prof. Makhan Lal's mailing addresses to send a copy of the book. A copy of the introduction to the 2500 page Indian Lexicon is attached herewith for a reference to the historical context for the formation and evolution of Indian languages.

dhanyavaadah.

kalyanaraman


On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:16 AM, Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma <d.ramak...@gmail.com> wrote:
For your kind information and response/rejoinder, if needed.

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    Sri Bhagwan Singh is right. There is no methodology or even an attempt at a historical context. Bruahi is invoked but there is no evidence of its existence before the Medieval period.
 
    Also, there is no attempt at comaparative palaeography. No comparison with Brahmi or other ancient scripts.
 
    Even if you disagree with what Jha and I have done in our book, we have given a historical context, placing the Harappans in the post-Vedic period.
 
    The author seems to accept Parpola's Dravidian hypothesis. If Dravidian politicians who paid Parpola can claim archaeological remains in Punjab-Haryana as the creation of their ancestors, Akali politicians can claim Mahabalipuram, Rameshwaram etc as the work of their Sardarji ancestors.
 
    If the Harappan language was proto-Tamil, the language old Tamil nadu inscriptions must be proto-Punjabi.
 
    I am rewriting the book. The writing is important for it was the seed of later India and Southeast Asian writing.
 
    I am giving several talks on this in Europe, U.K. and the U.S.A. over the next several months.
 
N.S. Rajaram

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Bhagwan Singh <bhagw...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
It is not clear what does the reviwer tell us about the new findings of Dr. Kalyanraman. Generla theoretical statements are a proof that there is little specific.
--- On Wed, 1/9/10, Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veer...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Veeranarayana Pandurangi <veer...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Fwd: Review of Dr. S. Kalyanaraman’s Book Indus Script Cipher by Prof. Shivaji Singh
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 1 September, 2010, 2:45 PM

hats off to Dr.kalyanaraman for his great effort and to Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma for bringing it ot our notice. please let us know where the book is published and how to get it.

On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Dr. S. Ramakrishna Sharma <d.ramak...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Esteemed Members,

This forwarded message serves two purposes.
1)To express gratitude on behalf of Foundation for Indian Scientific Heritage,Surathkal
Karnataka, Bharatam

to Dr.S.Kalyanaraman, Director, Sarasvati Research Center
President,Ramasetu Protection Movement,India and BoD member of World Association
for Vedic Studies, who has so kindly provided a copy of his newly published book
Indus Script Cipher (First paperback printing July 2010) to FISH for study, reviewing

and spreading (better expressed स्वाध्याय-प्रवचन-प्रचार:) this ground breaking finding among all those who have the conviction that heritage awareness makes one an enlightened citizen.

2)To urge all members to promote this book which is the Pride of Bharatam to every library with prioritized display on the new arrival Notice Boards and show cases. Scholars are welcome to post their reviews in our Group.

 Let me proudly take this opportunity to move a proposal to confer upon Dr.S.Kalyanaraman the title of Bharata-Samskruti-Ratnam during the forthcoming Three Day International Conference on Veda Vidya, 2011, (which is organized by Sri Vadiraja Research Foundation, Puthige and Foundation for Indian Scientific Heritage, Surathkal).


।।वन्दे मातरं।। 



--
Aangirasa/Dr.S.Ramakrishna Sharma. M.A.,Ph.D.(Eng.Lit.),Ph.D.(Sanskrit.).



S. Kalyanaraman

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धन्यवादः कल्याणरामन

Respected Prof. Makkhan Lal ji,

I have arranged to send 2 copies to your address. I will also send to Prof. Bhagwan Singh ji, as soon as I get his address. 

I wish many children get interested in language studies. We are inheritors of such a treasure of works in languages, e.g. Bharata's Natya Shastra, Bhartrhari's Vaakyapadeeya, Patanjali's Mahabhashya (apart from Panini's Ashthaddhyayi), Hemachandra Acharya's Deshi naamamaalaa (Prakrt grammar), scores of Nighantus. Now many of our language dictionaries are also available online. There is also a need to promote researches into our vishwakarma traditions. Ours is a cultural continuum which saw hundreds of mints from Takshashila to Karur producing punch-marked coins from ca. 1000 BCE (pace Prof. DR Bhandarkar's lecture on Numismatics).

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