Seeking clarification on the reference of World map in Mahabharata.

[sajeevkumar s]

Pranams to the list

I have recently come across the following information. May I request the scholars to kindly enlighten me on this.

//The first ever world map was sketched thousands of years ago by the Indian saint

Ramanujacharya, who simply translated the following verse from Mahabharata and gave

the world its real face.//

सुदर्शनं प्रवक्ष्यामि द्वीपं तु कुरुनन्दन।
परिमण्डलो महाराज द्वीपोऽसौ चक्रसंस्थितः॥
यथा हि पुरुषः पश्येदादर्शे मुखमात्मनः।
एवं सुदर्शनद्वीपो दृश्यते चन्द्रमण्डले॥
द्विरंशे पिप्पलस्तत्र द्विरंशे च शशो महान्।

Source: speakingtree.in

Thank you.

Sajeevkumar

[Hnbhat B.R.]

06,006.012a sudarśanaṃ pravakṣyāmi dvīpaṃ te kurunandana
06,006.012c parimaṇḍalo mahārāja dvīpo 'sau cakrasaṃsthitaḥ

XXX

06,006.015a yathā ca puruṣaḥ paśyed ādarśe mukham ātmanaḥ
06,006.015c evaṃ sudarśanadvīpo dṛśyate candramaṇḍale

06,006.016a dvir aṃśe pippalas tatra dvir aṃśe ca śaśo mahān

06,006।012a सुदर्शनं प्रवक्ष्यामि द्वीपं ते कुरुनन्दन

06,006।012c परिमण्डलो महाराज द्वीपो ऽसौ चक्रसंस्थितः

xxxxx

06,006।015a यथा च पुरुषः पश्यॆद् आदर्शॆ मुखम् आत्मनः

06,006।015c एवं सुदर्शनद्वीपॊ दृश्यतॆ चन्द्रमण्डलॆ

06,006।016c द्विर् अंशॆ पिप्पलस् तत्र द्विर् अंशॆ च शशॊ महान्

Mahabharata Critical Edition

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[sajeevkumar s]

Thank you Bhat Sir.

I would like to know whether the information, ie. the world map was drawn on the basis of the verses, is true or not. And also would like to know whether its a verbal description of world map.

Thank you.

Sajeevkumar

[Shashi Joshi]

I don't think so.

The wiki page and Ramanujacharya page don't mention this at all.

He was  born in 1017CE and the speaking tree article says he did before the Greeks.

The drawing of rabbit has two unneeded humps to show India.

This is over reading into the shloka.

Thanks,
Shashi

[shankara]

Namaste,

Nilakantha's commentary on Mahabharata interprets pippala and Sasa from the standpoint of Vedanta. Whereas, Devabodha in his commentary on Bhishmaparva interprets pippala as the shape of a dvipa. I could not understand him completely as his commentary is too terse.

Attaching relevant pages extracted from Mahabharata commentaries of Nilakantha & Devabodha.

regards
shankara

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Any info on the date of the commentator Devabodha?

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Nagaraj Paturi

 

Hyderabad, Telangana, INDIA.

BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

[Nagaraj Paturi]

He preceeds vimalabodha, arjuna mishra, sarvajnanArAyaNa and vAdirAja.

http://mahabharata-resources.org/mbh_comm.html

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Sri Vadiraja Tirtha (c.1480-c.1600 )

[Nagaraj Paturi]

If Devabodha is pre-Vadiraja he is earlier to c.1600. So a commentator earlier to c.1600 viewed it as a map.  

[sajeevkumar s]

Thank you all for your valuable suggestions.

Sajeevkumar

[S R Ivaturi]

Here is an image drawn based on the above verse with the pictures of a rabbit and peepal leaves. See upside down and you really believe it. 

Dr S R Ivaturi 

[Shashi Joshi]

This does not prove anything that Ramanujacharya actually drew that.

The rabbit has unusual hump on it to fit in India.

One needs to be critical and analytical before accepting what seems obvious or true.

Thanks,
Shashi

[S R Ivaturi]

I never said that Ramanuja drew this or something like this. But someone took the clue from the verse and drew the world map in such a way that it could indeed be represented by the figures of rabbit and peepal leaves.

Coming to the hump on the rabbit, yes, the imagery in the verse is not the perfect one. It was just a near similarity. 

For that matter, does the computer mouse has any similarity with the real mouse? But why was it named so? Imageres need not be that close to reality.

Regards

S R Ivaturi

[shankara]

Namaste,

As per a documentary linked below, it was not the first Ramanujacharya who interpreted the Mahabharata verses as representing world map. It was done by Thiru Venkata Ramanuja Jeer who lived in 19th century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlOBOrHHY_w

There is also a book, Bhu Gola Tattva, dealing with this subject.

http://shop2.bhaktivedantamanor.co.uk/?product=bhu-gola-tattva-science-of-the-round-earth

regards
shankara

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[Srinivasakrishnan ln]

Dear Shankara

In the Srivaishnava tradition, there's a grantha called 'bhūgolanirṇayam' written by Srimad Vedanta Desika (1268-1369). This text has been referenced in 'vaibhavaprakāśikā' of Mahācārya aka Doddayacharya (ca. 1543-1607), so one may take it as an authentic work of Srimad Desika.

It's a short work  in just 9 verses or so. Apparently this work describes the world, in accordance with the Puranas. I've heard that this work was written by Srimad Desika to explicate a vākya in another work of his viz., tattvamuktākalāpa.

Hope this helps,

Srini

Srini

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[shankara]

Sriniji,

I had a glance at 'Bhugolanirnaya', it has only 7 verses or paras. I could not find in it any mention about Sudarsanadvipa, pippala, or Sasa mentioned in the Mahabharata verse.

Bhugolanirnaya of Vedantadesika is available at the following link, towards the end of the volume.

https://archive.org/details/TattvaTikaAndOtherTexts1941VedantaDeshika

regards
shankara

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[Srinivasakrishnan ln]

Thanks, Shankara-ji.

Srini

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