No mention of Soma plant in Atharvaveda

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Oct 19, 2012, 5:15:13 PM10/19/12
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 Respected Scholars, Namaskar!
 
I read in the book on Vedas written by my friend in India that although Atharvaveda mentions names of many medicinal plant, it is silent on Soma plant (found in MUjavata(MUjavanta). Is this true?   There are Atharvaveda scholars on this list. Please help . Thanks. N.R.Joshi


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I fully support the view that there is no mention of any name for Soma Plant in Vedas. In fact all references to drinking of Soma are poetically describing the imbibing of virtuous knowledge that empowers a strong motivation & tools  for progress in all spheres of life.
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 Soma: What it is and what it does

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Monier Williams (in his great Sanskrit English Dictionary)  interprets SOMA only at physical level  as a -juice, extract,(esp.)the juice of Soma plant, (also) the Soma plant itself,(said to be a climbing plant) the stalks, an  अंशु  anshu of which  is  pressed between stones by the priests, then sprinkled with water , and purified in a strainer to get Soma.  Anshu अंशु however is translated by MW  as  a filament(especially of Soma plant);thread; end of a thread, a minute particle; a point, end;..

....... There is an obvious incongruity in this interpretation of Soma. It will be physically a difficult / impractical task to press the thread, end of thread, a minute particle, a point of Soma plant. The entire concept of an  already minute particle, to be pressed between stones, sprinkled with water and purified in a strainer is more in the realm of an imagined process and not physically feasible .

In fact Dr Nene beautifully describes the human anotomical process by which human brain processes all information as if crushing on stones and then sifts the findings for concusive decision to arrive at final wisdom. That is Soma. Dr Nene actually describes the physical features in human anatomy that work like two stones to press by and then a seive of wool like structure throgh which the pressed substance is actually strained in processing of information by human brain.  

 Thus  in popular perception SOMA is  a kind of  herbal preparation, which is consumed for exhilarating/ stimulating  benefits.   But  Soma is a lot more than a mere stimulating herbal  concoction. The entire 9th  chapter Mandal on Pavmani Soma of Rig Veda appears to have escaped notice of MW in giving this highly limiting interpretation of Soma. Pavmani Soma signifies a  non physical  entity  that provides the stimulant for physical action for welfare and benefit of entire creation.

Vedic Soma

सोमेनादित्या बलिन: सोमेना पृथिवी मही !

अथो नक्षत्राणामेषामुपस्थे सोम आहित: !! ऋग्वेद 10/85/2

Solar radiations, the greatness of earth and all the planets in the sky that support life, derive their abilities from the SOMA that is established in them.

 

सोमं मन्यते पपिवान्यत्संपिंषंत्योषधिम् !

सोमं यं ब्रह्माणो विदुर्न तस्याश्नाति कश्चन !! ऋग्वेद 10/85/3

 Yask translates this mantra by saying-" Some chemists crush soma and then drink it , and think that they have drunk soma. This is not correct, because that is not true soma."

But The Soma that Learned, Scientists, Intellectuals, know of is not an edible product.

आच्छद्विधानैर्गुपितो बार्हते सोम रक्षित: !

ग्राव्णामिच्छृएवन्तिष्ठसि नते अश्नाति पार्थिव: !! ऋग्वेद 10/85/4

It is covered and protected by well regulated non material  laws  governing in the material world .

Soma can not be physically consumed by a living being.

 

Soma in   Vedic tradition thus  represents essentially  a non physical   mind stimulant, and drive. The motivating force for  intellect and also the store of  scientific knowledge from researches  that act  as source of capability as an enabler of actions  for the welfare of the society.

 

Language of Vedas is often highly poetical, and does not lend to literal translations. Most of the time there is reference to soma as  a medicinal creeper, to be crushed under stones and then the juices strained through sieves woven from grey  woolen threads. The person who finally finds this preparation of 'SOMA' gets drunk on it.

In analytical research a learned competent person follows the creeper of knowledge that has grown out of seeds planted by a problem. Experts engage in   efforts to find solution /explanation to that problem. Researchers pursue the minute threads and filaments  from the creeper of the existing researches of human knowledge from  study and  observations in nature. The topics of research problem can be in any field connected with welfare /progress of the society in social, medicinal, physical sciences.  The efforts and knowledge pooled by the earlier efforts is likened to the medicinal creeper that has grown to solve/cure the problem. The learned experts take cognizance of the accumulated knowledge of research efforts made thus far.  Further research work proceeds by following the leads of the shoots and particles of the creeper of existing research work. This is like breaking one's head on stone of ignorance and crushing the minute particles अंशु  of this  medicinal creeper to find the 'juices'.  New scientists sift and screen the data of earlier researches. This is likened to a sieve woven out of the grey hair of experience and used for straining the juices of the inference arrived at so far. The scientist who strains these 'Juices' and assimilates them in his intellect  is  obviously  exhilarated at his findings, and is said to be intoxicated with his knowledge find. 

Thus  term  Soma will mainly represent a knowledge, talent, capacity , quality  and may  also be considered  to  include any medicinal  stimulants by uneducated people, the herbs that provide strength  and stimulate  motivations which make possible innumerable constructive, beneficial tasks & actions, for welfare of the world.

 

How Soma- Physical knowledge- is created is found in Rig Veda 10.11.4

अध त्यं द्रप्सं विभवं विचक्षणंÓ विरा भरिदिषित: श्येनो अध्वरे !

यदी विशो वृणितेê  दस्ममार्या अग्निं होतारमध धीरजायत  !!

ऋग्वेद 10/11.4

द्रप्सं (साधरण दही की लस्सी) a  very  ordinarily met fluid like butter milk , विभवंÓ when looked in to by concentrating on its important aspects विचक्षणंÓ brings to light विराभरदिषित: as if the researcher  pulls out of  fire, श्येनोê  as a  hawk-eyed  observer taking in his notice  from very  high position a total perception, अध्वरेêü the hard intelligent worker.

यदी  विशोê if ordinary common persons वृणतेê adopt such strategies of scientific enquiry, दस्मे   they  आर्या become virtuous, अग्निं होतरमध  by performing Yajna to get fired in to action,  धी:  thus Soma true knowledge in intellect,  जायत  is born

(Newton discovered the force of  gravity by deep perception and observation of a very common every day event of an apple falling from a tree. This is the phenomenon Veda is saying in above Mantra.)

 

What Soma Does?

 

What Soma Does and what is the effect of Soma on a person who has got “Drunk” on Soma is beautifully described in the thirteen mantras that constitute Rig Veda 10.119, and may indeed look extremely  futuristic, even in context of present day modern world.

This Sukta says what humanity can achieve on strength of research and knowledge- when  'drunk' with Soma,

 1. इति वा इति  मे मनो गामश्वं सनुयामिति I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II   ऋग्वेद 10/119/1

When drunk on Soma ( knowledge), one is impelled in to action to provide for community the services to look after the welfare of all the living beings particularly cows and horses (as  symbols of food and energy).

2. प्र वाताइव दोधत उन्मा पीता अयंसत I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II   ऋग्वेद 10/119 /2

When drunk on Soma (knowledge) one is bubbling  with enthusiasm for self motivated positive action

3. उन्मा पीता अयंसत रथमश्वाइवाशव: I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति  II

ऋग्वेद 10/119/3

When drunk with Soma (knowledge) one is highly motivated as if he is always riding on high horses

4. उप मा मातरिस्थित वाश्रा पुत्रमिव प्रियम्  I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II 

 ऋग्वेद 10/119/4

When drunk with Soma (knowledge) one has his wits always around him, like a mother cow bellowing close to her calf

5. अहं तष्टेव वन्धुरं पर्यचामि हृदा मातिम I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II

ऋग्वेद 10/119/5

With dedication it brings glory to his seat of action

6. नहि मे अक्षिपच्चना अच्छांत्सु: पञ्च कृष्टय: I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II   ऋग्वेद 10/119/6

Nothing in all the community, escapes his keen perception

7. नहि मे रोदसी उभे अन्यं पक्षं चन प्रति I  कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II

ऋग्वेद 10/119 /7

Has good measure of the realities on ground and in space

8.अभि द्यां भहिना भुवमभी3मां पृथिवीं महीम् I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II   ऋग्वेद 10/119/8

His influence Excels in all  area of his action on the vast earth and space

9. हन्ताहं पृथिवीमिमां नि दधानीहा वेह वा I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II ऋग्वेद 10/119/9

Scales up theater of  man's action from earth to outer space (make space his habitat)

10. ओषमित्पृथिवीमहं जङ्घननीह वेह वा I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II  ऋग्वेद 10/119/10

Controls and transfers heat, light and energy from one place to another as per needs.

11- दिवि मे अन्य: पक्षो3धो अन्यमचीकृषम I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II ऋग्वेद 10/119/11

Has one foot on earth and the other in Space

12.अहमस्मि महामहोअभिनभ्यमुदीषित:I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II   ऋग्वेद 10/119/12

Has in his command energy sources comparable to Sun in the sky.

13. गृहो याम्यरङ्कृतो देवेभ्यो हव्यवाहन:  I कुवितसोमस्यापामिति II   ऋग्वेद 10/119/13

 Such  resourceful person by fully imbibing SOMA, is  decorated and empowered to deliver like Indra,

 



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On Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 6:58 AM, subodh kumar <subod...@gmail.com> wrote:
I fully support the view that there is no mention of any name for Soma Plant in Vedas. In fact all references to drinking of Soma are poetically describing the imbibing of virtuous knowledge that empowers a strong motivation & tools  for progress in all spheres of life.

Thanks for giving real meaning of the Veda-s and make us know our ancestors who learnt and interpreted the Veda-s like Yaska and the vidhi-s mentioned in there as ignorant of the real meaning of the words without any poetic ideas.

Dipak Bhattacharya

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The following may be consulted for checking how many times the Soma plant/drink has been mentioned in the Saunakiiya version of the Atharvaveda
Atharvaveda (Saunakiiya),Part IV Fasciculus II (Mantra, Pada etc)VVRI., Hoshiarpur, 1964 pp. 385-386.
The Paippalaada version too often refers to the plant/drink.
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Subject: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} No mention of Soma plant in Atharvaveda

Shrikant Jamadagni

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Dear Scholars,

I am reproducing some passages from Collected Works of Acharya T.V.Kapali Sastry Vol.1 Book Of Lights.Page 62. Acharya Kapali Sastry was a collaborator of Sri Aurobindo in their work of reconstructing the esoteric or inner meaning of the RgVeda.

"........ Here we may note in passing that the Soma plant is an extinct species and it was not easily available even thirty centuries ago. Twenty-four varieties of Soma plant are mentioned along with the places of their growth and their therapeutic virtues such as strength and longevity in the Sushruta Samhita (Chikitsa-sthana, Chapter 29), but the intoxicating property is not mentioned" 

"...And some Riks cannot be properly construed at all if the Soma is taken to mean the drug. What are we to say when the Veda plainly hymns "O Thou, all-seeing, the illuminating rays of thee, who art the lord, encompass all the abodes;Soma, with thy natural powers thou pervadest (the all) and flowest, thou art the king and ord of the whole world" ? (RgVeda 9.86.5).
Another Rik openly decides the question of Soma. "When they crush the herb, one thinks that he has drunk the Soma; but no one ever tastes him whom the Brahmans know to be the Soma" (RgVeda 10.85.3)

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Shrikant Jamadagni
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