Punarjanma in Mayaavada

[Pavamana HV]

To all respected scholers,

Being a novice in Vedanta I would like to know the concept of punarjanma in Mayaavada. If there is only one obsolute brahman and everything else is maya so how is punarjanma explained?

 

Thanks

Pavamana

[nastikashiromani]

But the jivatma does not know it is one with Brahman. So caught up in
the delusion of Maya, it is not free of karma and samsara and is born
again and again. when it gains the right knowledge it is liberated and
not born again.

[v...@csa.iisc.ernet.in]

Dear Sirs
In the latest issue of the prestigious science journal CURRENT SCIENCE
dated 10 March 2009, Dr J V Narlikar, a renowned Indian Astrophysicist,
the founder director of IUCAA, Pune has published a paper entitled "A
Statistical Test for Astrology". Needless to say, the so called test has
"proved' that astrological predictions are not valid.

I attach a copy of this paper. I am not standing a brief for the validity
of Astrology but I believe that the paper is not worthy of being published
in a prestigious science journal. The test was not proper and biased.
The group started with the idea of ridiculing astrology as a blind belief.
One of the authors iS FROM Maharashtra Andhashraddha Nirmulan Samiti, c/o
Parivartan, Sahyog Hospital ‘Annex’, Sadarbazar, Satara 415 001, India.

My intention of writing this as follows. Jyotisha is one of the six
vedangas. It is intimately connected with karma siddhanta and belief in
rebirth or cycle of births and deaths.

The Wikipedia elegantly characterizes jyotisha thus JyotiSHA(Sanskrit
jyotisha --jyoti- "light, heavenly body": also spelled Jyotish and
Jyotisha in English) is the Hindu system of astrology (also known as
Indian astrology, Hindu astrology, and of late, Vedic astrology).
Traditionally, it has three branches:[1]

Siddhanta: , which is traditional Indian astronomy.
Samhita: also known as Medini Jyotisha (mundane astrology), predicting
important events based on analysis of astrological dynamics in a country's
horoscope or general transit events such as war, earthquakes, political
events, financial positions, electional astrology; house and construction
related matters (Vāstu Shāstra), animals, portents, omens etc.
Hora: Predictive astrology based on analysis of natal horoscopes and the
moment a query is made.
The latter two are part of predictive astrology (Phalita). Conceptually,
therefore, Indian astrology has two branches, Ganita (Siddhanta) and
Phalita (Samhita plus Hora).
There is no astrology-astronomy distinction in Jyotisha. At this time if
some does believe in astrology or fixes a good muhurtam for an event
it should be treated at least as Hindu religious belief and respected as
such. Our scientists want to debunk everything Indian as blind belief
while they dare not touch the beliefs of otherrelgions.

My request to group meembers is the following. I am anyway writing a
comment to the journal that the paper is a prejudiced, unscientific and
misleading work couched in pseudo-scietific terms. If some one has a view
please share with me

VVS Sarma

[KV RamaKrishnamacharyulu]

dear all,
There should be a strong protest about the paper as mentioned by Prof. Sharma.

kvrk

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From: "v...@csa.iisc.ernet.in" <v...@csa.iisc.ernet.in>
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: Punarjanma in Mayaavada

related matters (Vâstu Shâstra), animals, portents, omens etc.

[v...@csa.iisc.ernet.in]

Dear all = Sorry for sending my mail under wrong subject title
PUNARJANMA IN MAYAAVAADA. I am attaching my proposed reply. Kimdly
see under the earlier subject for the paper of Narlikar et al.

VVS Sarma

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[Shrisha Rao]

El mar 14, 2009, a las 10:00 p.m., v...@csa.iisc.ernet.in escribió:

> Dear all = Sorry for sending my mail under wrong subject title
> PUNARJANMA IN MAYAAVAADA. I am attaching my proposed reply. Kimdly
> see under the earlier subject for the paper of Narlikar et al.

Interesting article, but no need to get worked up about it. I am also
not sure about the proposed response, as to say that ``Such beliefs
are not in the purview of scientific scrutiny'' is really to concede
the point, that astrology is dogma and cannot stand scientific scrutiny.

Unlike some others here, I also find little wrong with the authors'
motives, and might even agree with them to a large extent (e.g., it is
really a travesty that many people seem to believe that wearing the
right birth-stone is more important for success than hard work and
dedication). To me, a more significant criticism would be purely
methodological, analogous to noting the way Sir R.A. Fisher
incorrectly criticized the proposed link between smoking and lung
cancer during the early part of the 20th century (verily a fact as we
know, but which he did not accept).

Basically, the authors have only shown that whatever is practiced by
the 27 self-proclaimed astrologers is little better than random
chance. By the same standard, I could evaluate the diagnoses and
treatments of some similar number of quacks, and proclaim that the
science of medicine is worthless. Without more rigorous evaluation
with much larger populations and control over inputs, such bold
conclusions as the authors come to are not permissible, and yes, that
too is science. No drug trial would be taken seriously if it was
performed to the same sloppy standards.

Regards,

Shrisha Rao

> VVS Sarma

[veeranarayana Pandurangi]

Dear all,

I endorse the veiw as expressed by Prof. Sharma and prof. KVRK acharya.

but  we have to make some good case studies to prove it. unless our protests will be not more than foul cries. We have all the established jyotish departments in all sanskrit universities and other universities also. they should take this thing seriosly. For that purpose even this list needs to include more members from jyotish fiild. I request you all to go for all out effort to make more scholarly members so these people can be aware and respond to this kind of malicious efforts.

Veeranarayana

kvrk

--
Veeranarayana N.K. Pandurangi
Head, Dept of Darshanas,
Yoganandacharya Bhavan,
Jagadguru Ramanandacharya Rajasthan Samskrita University, Madau, post Bhankrota, Jaipur, 302026.

[nastikashiromani]

Dear VVS Sharma,
I read your rebuttal and all it said was that ---
astrology is is a matter of religious belief and cannot be judged by
scientific principles.
That completely ends that and ensures that no scientist or materialist
will every take astrology seriously.

> > Parivartan, Sahyog Hospital ‘Annex’, Sadarbazar, Satara 415 001,

> > India.
>
> > My intention of writing this as follows. Jyotisha is one of the six
> > vedangas. It is intimately connected with karma siddhanta and belief in
> > rebirth or cycle of births and deaths.
>
> > The Wikipedia elegantly characterizes jyotisha thus JyotiSHA(Sanskrit
> > jyotisha --jyoti- "light, heavenly body": also spelled Jyotish and
> > Jyotisha in English) is the Hindu system of astrology (also known as
> > Indian astrology, Hindu astrology, and of late, Vedic astrology).
> > Traditionally, it has three branches:[1]
>
> > Siddhanta: , which is traditional Indian astronomy.
> > Samhita: also known as Medini Jyotisha (mundane astrology), predicting
> > important events based on analysis of astrological dynamics in a country's
> > horoscope or general transit events such as war, earthquakes, political
> > events, financial positions, electional astrology; house and construction

> > related matters (Vâstu Shâstra), animals, portents, omens etc.

> > Hora: Predictive astrology based on analysis of natal horoscopes and the
> > moment a query is made.
> > The latter two are part of predictive astrology (Phalita). Conceptually,
> > therefore, Indian astrology has two branches, Ganita (Siddhanta) and
> > Phalita (Samhita plus Hora).
> > There is no astrology-astronomy distinction in Jyotisha. At this time if
> > some does believe in astrology or fixes a good muhurtam for an event
> > it should be treated at least as Hindu religious belief and respected as
> > such. Our scientists want to debunk everything Indian as blind belief
> > while they dare not touch the beliefs of otherrelgions.
>
> > My request to group meembers is the following. I am anyway writing a
> > comment to the journal that the paper is a prejudiced, unscientific and
> > misleading work couched in pseudo-scietific terms. If some one has a view
> > please share with me
>
> > VVS Sarma
>
> > --
> > This message has been scanned for viruses and
> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> > believed to be clean.
>
>
>

>  narlikar09.doc
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[S P Narang]

All! Many of the so-called astrologers including those working as faculty in Indian Universities have neither knowledge of the principles nor a relation to the scientific subjects like astrophysics. They do not care to make it acceptable to all. They have entered the universities through some political pressure or otherwise. Their knowledge of astrology is very poor. Some of them do not have any certificate or diploma from an institution which imparts scientific knowledge to the subject. In most of the cases, it is accepted or  by political parties without having any knowledge of the subject. As a sincere and serious students of the subject, we must condemn such teachers who exploit the students and society and defame the subject. It is a Sastra and should be taught in that spirit. Looking at the face of the person and making predictions on the basis of the whimsical norms acceptable to the person concerned or predict without any Sastraic basis is absolutely wrong. Such type of astrology or any Sastra and its teachers must be condemned. It should be developed as a sastra and not a money-minting machine. SP Narang

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From: veeranarayana Pandurangi <veer...@gmail.com>
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 6:07:18 PM

[JSRA Prasad]

Namaste,
I suggest Sri Kuppa Krishnamurty's name. His email id is - veda...@gmail.com and Web is- www.serveveda.org
Also one may visit this online journal - http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/
Dr. Sripada Bhat of RSVP, Tirupati can contribute to the list, but I don't have his email id.
Prasad

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Lecturer, Dept. of Sanskrit Studies
University of Hyderabad
Gachibowli, Hyderabad - 500046
Tel: 040-2313 3803 (Off.)

[veeranarayana Pandurangi]

Dear all,

with due respect to all the members i want to state i dont fully agree with prof. Narang. in sanskrit universities those occupying these profesorial posts are not without ph.ds. they are not out of blue. but unfortunately tthere is some communication gap. that we have bridge.

veeranarayana

 

[KV RamaKrishnamacharyulu]

Dear all,
There are many persons who are really doing  research in Astrology provimg it's worth.Prof. Ramachandra pandey is an expert who was Prof. in BHU and Chairman, Jyotish peeth of JRRSU, Jaipur.Last year a seminar on clinical astrology was conducted where a good number of research papers are presented with case studies. The proceedings are also published.
The persons with a littile knowledge of astrology and who are commertial are the cause for this defame of the sastra.

This is the fate of all sastras as the commitment for in depth study is rarely seen. But there are persons  who can protect the sastras from this type of criticism.
kvrk

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From: JSRA Prasad <jsrap...@gmail.com>
To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:51:26 PM

[veeranarayana Pandurangi]

Yes, Prof. Pandey is right person.

I am searching Prof. Pandey's email. He had given in november, but I forgot it somehow.
vnkp