рддреБрдореБрдиреН suffix -rules

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RamanaMurthy Bathala

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Oct 14, 2018, 4:54:03тАпAM10/14/18
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Dear Sir,

Can anyone provide rules to be observed when рддреБрдореБрдиреН suffix is added to a root (like the Gunation of vowel in the root and any Sandhi rules to be observed). I would be thankful┬аif you provide link to the such instructions.

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S. L. Abhyankar

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рдирдорд╕реНрддреЗ рд╢реНрд░реАрдордиреН рд░рдордг-рдореВрд░реНрддрд┐-рдорд╣реЛрджрдп !
I think study of various рдкреНрд░рдХреНрд░рд┐рдпрд╛-s and related рд╕реВрддреНрд░-s involved in obtaining рддреБрдордиреНрдд-s should start at the point that the grammatical name of the рдкреНрд░рддреНрдпрдп is┬арддреБреБрдореБрдБрдиреН but┬аaffixes as рддреБрдореН because t
  • Of рддреБреБрдореБрдБрдиреН,┬аthe ending рдиреН is рдЗрддреН by рд╣рд▓рдиреНрддреНрдпрдореН (1'3'3)┬а
  • рдЙрдБ (before рдиреН) is also рдЗрддреН by рдЙрдкрджреЗрд╢реЗрд╜рдЬрдиреБрдирд╛рд╕рд┐рдХ рдЗрддреН (1'3'2)
  • These two рдЗрддреН-s vanish by рддрд╕реНрдп рд▓реЛрдкрдГ (1'3'9)
  • Hence the рдкреНрд░рддреНрдпрдп affixes only as рддреБрдореН┬а
I think the рдкреНрд░рддреНрдпрдп рддреБрдореН qualifies to be рдЖрд░реНрдзрдзрд╛рддреБрдХ by рдЖрд░реНрдзрдзрд╛рддреБрдХрдГ рд╢реЗрд╖рдГ (3'4'114)
It would nevertheless be good to collect рддреБрдордиреНрдд-s of different рдзрд╛рддреБ-s and also of different рдЙрдкрдзрд╛рддреБ-s, such that the collection will bring forth different рдкреНрд░рдХреНрд░рд┐рдпрд╛-s involved in obtaining рддреБрдордиреНрдд-s┬а

Some рдзрд╛рддреБ-s which come to mind are (1) рдЧрдореН => рдЧрдиреНрддреБрдореН, рдЧрд╛рдордпрд┐рддреБрдореН (2) рдирдореН => рдирдорд┐рддреБрдореН (3) рджреГрд╢реН => рджреНрд░рд╖реНрдЯреБрдореН (4) рдХреГ => рдХрд░реНрддреБрдореН, рдХрд╛рд░рдпрд┐рддреБрдореН (5) рдкрд╛ => рдкрд╛рддреБрдореН (6) рджрд╛ => рджрд╛рддреБрдореН (7) рдЕрд╕реН / рднреВ (Note рдЕрд╕реНрддреЗрд░реНрднреВрдГ 2'4'52) => рднрд╡рд┐рддреБрдореН рднрд╛рд╡рдпрд┐рддреБрдореН (8) рдЬрд┐ => рдЬреЗрддреБрдореН (9) рдмреНрд░реВ / рд╡рдЪреН => рд╡рдХреНрддреБрдореН (Note рдмреНрд░реБрд╡реЛ рд╡рдЪрд┐рдГ 2'4'53) (9) рднрд┐рджреН => рднреЗрддреНрддреБрдореН (10) рднреБрдЬреН / рднреБрдЮреНрдЬреН => рднреЛрдХреНрддреБрдореН┬а

I had done some such effort across 4 posts on рддреБрдордиреНрддрд╕рд┐рджреНрдзрд┐рдГ┬а┬аas linked here. Those were done 5 years ago in 2013. I guess I should review those posts to edit them for any errors therein and also for improvement of the presentation and for updating based on my study over the last 5 years.┬а

In the instance of study of any topic of Sanskrit grammar, one curiosity always crops up in my mind about what examples one can find in рдЧреАрддрд╛. So, I would like to explore what all рддреБрдордиреНрдд-s one would come across in рдЧреАрддрд╛. May be, that itself would become an interesting collection !!┬а

In such study one may come across instances, where a рддреБрдордиреНрдд may fit, although it is not used, e.g. рдирд╛рдпрдХрд╛ рдордо рд╕реИрдиреНрдпрд╕реНрдп рд╕рдВрдЬреНрдЮрд╛рд░реНрдердВ рддрд╛рдиреН рдмреНрд░рд╡реАрдорд┐ рддреЗ (1'7) Can there be a рддреБрдордиреНрдд in place of рд╕рдВрдЬреНрдЮрд╛рд░реНрдердореН ? If yes, which one would that be ?

I shall be obliged for your response to these thoughts.

Siddharth Wakankar

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Oct 15, 2018, 12:24:04тАпAM10/15/18
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Dear friend,

There is one very small book,titled, Geeta vyakaranam,published years ago by Gita Press, Gorakhpur.

You may go through that book to get answers to your query .

Best luck.

Prof. Siddharth Y Wakankar.

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RamanaMurthy Bathala

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Dear sir,

Thanks for the information

рднреВ = "be".

What is meaning of рднрд╡рд┐рддреБрдореН (рддреБрдореБрдиреН form)?
Does it mean "to be" or "to become" or both correct?

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Hnbhat B.R.

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Depending on the context

рдорд╛рдиреБрд╖реА a human, рд░рд╛рдХреНрд╖рд╕рд╕реНрдп demon's, рднрд╛рд░реНрдпрд╛ wife,┬арднрд╡рд┐рддреБрдореН┬аto become, рди рдЕрд░реНрд╣рддрд┐ not fit.
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S. L. Abhyankar

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Oct 16, 2018, 8:47:20тАпAM10/16/18
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In lighter vein, рд░рд╛рдХреНрд╖рд╕реА рд╣рд┐рдбрд┐рдореНрдмрд╛ рддреБ рдордиреБрд╖реНрдпрд╕реНрдп рднреАрдорд╕реНрдп рднрд╛рд░реНрдпрд╛ рднрд╡рд┐рддреБрдореН рдЖрд░реНрд╣рддреН┬а

Subrahmanyam Korada

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рдирдореЛ рд╡рд┐рджреНрд╡рджреНрднреНрдпрдГ

What is meaning of рднрд╡рд┐рддреБрдореН (рддреБрдореБрдиреН form)? Does it mean "to be" or "to become" or both correct?┬а
┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а ┬а--- Vid Ramana Murthy Bathala

It is clearly stated by Patanjali in рдорд╣рд╛рднрд╛рд╖реНрдпрдореН under рд╕реНрд╡рд╛рджреБрдорд┐ рдгрдореБрд▓реН , рдкрд╛ 3-4-26 ---

рдЕрд╡реНрдпрдпрдХреГрддреЛ рднрд╛рд╡реЗ рднрд╡рд┐рд╖реНрдпрдиреНрддрд┐ рдЗрддрд┐ рднрд╛рд╡реЗ рднрд╡рд┐рд╖реНрдпрдиреНрддрд┐ ред рдХрд┐рдВ рд╡рдХреНрддрд╡реНрдпрдореЗрддрддреН ? рдирд╣рд┐ ред рдХрдердордиреБрдЪреНрдпрдорд╛рдирдВ рдЧрдВрд╕реНрдпрддреЗ ?
рддреБрдорд░реНрдереЗ рдЗрддрд┐ рд╡рд░реНрддрддреЗ ред┬а
рддреБрдорд░реНрдерд╢реНрдЪ рдХрдГ ?
рднрд╛рд╡рдГ ред

рднрд╛рд╡ means рдзрд╛рддреНрд╡рд░реНрде --

рднрд╛рд╡ рдПрд╡ рд╣рд┐ рдзрд╛рддреНрд╡рд░реНрдердГ рдЗрддреНрдпрд╡рд┐рдЪреНрдЫрд┐рдиреНрди рдЖрдЧрдордГ -- 23, рдХреНрд░рд┐рдпрд╛рд╕рдореБрджреНрджреЗрд╢рдГ , рд╡рд╛рдХреНрдпрдкрджреАрдпрдореН ред

So рдкрдХреНрддреБрдВ рдпрд╛рддрд┐ = рдкрдЪрдирдХреНрд░рд┐рдпрд╛рд░реНрдердВ рдпрд╛рддрд┐ -- рдпрд╛рддрд┐ is рдкреНрд░рдзрд╛рдирдХреНрд░рд┐рдпрд╛ whereas рдкрдХреНрддреБрдореН is рдЧреБрдгрдХреНрд░рд┐рдпрд╛ ред

рд▓,рдХреГрддреНрдп,рдХреНрдд,рдЦрд▓рд░реНрдерд╛рдирд╛рдВ рддрдерд╛рд╡реНрдпрдпрдХреГрддрд╛рдордкрд┐ ред
рд░реВрдврд┐,рдирд┐рд╖реНрдард╛ , рдШрдЮрд╛рджреАрдирд╛рдВ рдзрд╛рддреБрдГ рд╕рд╛рдзреНрдпрд╕реНрдп рд╡рд╛рдЪрдХрдГ рее 52 , рдХреНрд░рд┐рдпрд╛рд╕. рд╡рд╛рдХреНрдпрдк.

рдзрдиреНрдпреЛтАЩрд╕реНрдорд┐

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Madhav Deshpande

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For what it's worth, in 1980 I published a book "Deshpande-Evolution of Syntactic Theory in Sanskrit Grammar (KAROMA 1980)" that is entirely dealing with the syntactic issues related to -tum, and attempting to sort out the differences of views between P─Бс╣Зini, K─Бty─Бyana, Pata├▒jali and Bhartr╠еhari.┬а The pdf of the book is too large to be attached to this message, but I will be happy to share it with anyone who may be interested.┬а Please send me a personal message.

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Madhav Deshpande

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Here is the download link for the pdf of my 1980 book:


Please keep in mind that the book was published 38 years ago, and represents my thinking at that time.┬а It has been out of print for a while.

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