Pronunciation of वेन्कटेश्वर

[RaviKishore Annadanam]

Namaste,

What is the correct pronunciation of वेन्कटेश्वर. As संम्स्कृत contains ए and ऐ, ए in वेन्कटेश्वर should be pronounced as in परमेश्वर्.

However in the modern days "Venkat" name is pronounced with shorter form of ए (as in Cricket).

Could you please suggest on this?

Dhanyavaad,

Annadanam Ravi Kishore

[Nagaraj Paturi]

You already answered your question. 

Short e is an adaptation into languages having a short e in them. Originally it is long e only. In old Tamil literature too it has been written as vēngaḍam with a long e ē only. 

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Nagaraj Paturi

 

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[Jagannathan Ramaswami]

I think it is a matter of vowel shortening due to the phonetic context. This could be a universal phenomenon. You need more efforts to pronounce a long vowel in the beginning of the word Venkatesa because of the following long vowel. Even in Tamil it is a long vowel in Ve:nkata na:than but a short vowel in Venkate:san. It is also possible that as a means of disambiguation some languages adopt the alternate spelling of Vyankatesa.

Jagannathan 

[RaviKishore Annadanam]

धन्यवादाः

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 5:13:28 AM UTC+1, Nagaraj Paturi wrote:

You already answered your question. 

Short e is an adaptation into languages having a short e in them. Originally it is long e only. In old Tamil literature too it has been written as vēngaḍam with a long e ē only. 

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 8:51 PM, RaviKishore Annadanam <kisho...@gmail.com> wrote:

Namaste,

What is the correct pronunciation of वेन्कटेश्वर. As संम्स्कृत contains ए and ऐ, ए in वेन्कटेश्वर should be pronounced as in परमेश्वर्.

However in the modern days "Venkat" name is pronounced with shorter form of ए (as in Cricket).

Could you please suggest on this?

Dhanyavaad,

Annadanam Ravi Kishore

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[G S S Murthy]

Could it not be other way round? "Venkata" may be a word of local (South Indian, Dravidian) origin with a short ve and in Sanskrit it would have become elongated for the lack of a short "ve".

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Once that Dravidian word is reliably identified, yes, that idea becomes acceptable. 

[G S S Murthy]

Are God's names like Pandarinatha,Ranganatha, and Venkatanatha seen in recognized Puranas? The names seem to me to be specific  local names of archamurtis. I am open to correction.

Regards,

Murthy

[V Subrahmanian]

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 6:45 AM, G S S Murthy <murt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Are God's names like Pandarinatha,Ranganatha, and Venkatanatha seen in recognized Puranas?

The name 'Ranganatha' could be, I think, traced to the Valmiki Ramayanam as it is believed that this was the family deity of the Ikshvakus. And the deity in Srirangam is actually the gift of this deity to Vibhishana (by Rama) who happened to install it in this Southern town on his way back to Lanka.  I think there was a discussion on this topic in BVP long ago.

regards

subrahmanian.v  

[L Srinivas]

>

Even in Tamil it is a long vowel in Ve:nkata na:than but a short vowel in Venkate:san.

This is not always the case. Even in modern Tamil you can see the variant with the long 'e'. For example, check the song 'kuRai onRum illai', a song on Lord Venkateswara penned by Rajaji himself. In the second stanza or so, you have this line 'vENDiyatai tantiDa vEnkatEcan ninRirukka' i.e., when Venkatesa is there to grant your wishes. No one would pronounce the 'Venkatesan' here with a short 'e'. It would affect prAsam. The singer won't sing it that way either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkIKWN_JpYo

Many Tamils named Venkatesan write their names in Tamil with the long 'e'. A google search would reveal this. But it is true that the version with the short 'e' is more numerous.

Bear in mind however that even in modern Tamil, writing the place name 'Venkatam' i.e., Tirumala, with a short 'e' is a spelling mistake. You must use the long 'e'.

Hope this helps,

Srini

On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 12:37:30 AM UTC-4, Jagannathan Ramaswami wrote:

I think it is a matter of vowel shortening due to the phonetic context. This could be a universal phenomenon. You need more efforts to pronounce a long vowel in the beginning of the word Venkatesa because of the following long vowel. Even in Tamil it is a long vowel in Ve:nkata na:than but a short vowel in Venkate:san. It is also possible that as a means of disambiguation some languages adopt the alternate spelling of Vyankatesa.

Jagannathan 

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

You already answered your question. 

Short e is an adaptation into languages having a short e in them. Originally it is long e only. In old Tamil literature too it has been written as vēngaḍam with a long e ē only. 

On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 8:51 PM, RaviKishore Annadanam <kisho...@gmail.com> wrote:

Namaste,

What is the correct pronunciation of वेन्कटेश्वर. As संम्स्कृत contains ए and ऐ, ए in वेन्कटेश्वर should be pronounced as in परमेश्वर्.

However in the modern days "Venkat" name is pronounced with shorter form of ए (as in Cricket).

Could you please suggest on this?

Dhanyavaad,

Annadanam Ravi Kishore

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Nagaraj Paturi

 

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BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra

BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala

Former Senior Professor of Cultural Studies

 

FLAME School of Communication and FLAME School of  Liberal Education,

 

(Pune, Maharashtra, INDIA )

 

 

 

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[V Subrahmanian]

On Fri, 6 Apr 2018, 17:05 L Srinivas, <lns2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Even in Tamil it is a long vowel in Ve:nkata na:than but a short vowel in Venkate:san.

This is not always the case. Even in modern Tamil you can see the variant with the long 'e'. For example, check the song 'kuRai onRum illai', a song on Lord Venkateswara penned by Rajaji himself. In the second stanza or so, you have this line 'vENDiyatai tantiDa vEnkatEcan ninRirukka' i.e., when Venkatesa is there to grant your wishes. No one would pronounce the 'Venkatesan' here with a short 'e'. It would affect prAsam. The singer won't sing it that way either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkIKWN_JpYo

Many Tamils named Venkatesan write their names in Tamil with the long 'e'. A google search would reveal this. But it is true that the version with the short 'e' is more numerous.

Bear in mind however that even in modern Tamil, writing the place name 'Venkatam' i.e., Tirumala, with a short 'e' is a spelling mistake. You must use the long 'e'.

Nice

 Just for fun:  when 'வேங்கடேசன்' is shortened at home it becomes  invariably 'வெங்கிட்டு' and not 'வேங்கிட்டு'.

Regards

Subrahmanian. V

'
Hope this helps,

Srini

[venkat veeraraghavan]

The name Venkateshvar comes as one of the names of Balaji.

Hence the English version should be in tune with the Sanskrit / Prakrit spelling and NOT the other way around.

Hope this helps..Venkat

[Anand Ghurye]

I believe it is written as व्यंकटेश्वर 

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Interesting! In Devanagari or some other script?

It would be interesting to see a snapshot or two of such a writing. 

[ushavishnuvamsi]

भागवतपुराणे पञ्चमस्कन्धे -"..... कोङ्क-वेङ्कट-कुटकाचल..... "

[Rishi Goswami]

While reading Tatvarthadeepa Nibandha of Vallabhacharya, I found this shlok so thought of sharing it.

जगन्नाथे विट्ठले च श्रीरङ्गे व्यङ्कटे तथा।
यत्र पूजप्रवाहः स्यात् तत्र तिष्ठेत तत्परः ।।

While reading this, something else too struck my mind. ष्ठा गतिनिवृत्तौ is bhvaadi, set, parasmaipadi right? Without upasarg such as ( संतिष्ठते संतस्थे संस्थाता संस्थास्यते संतिष्ठताम् समतिष्ठत संतिष्ठेत संस्थासीष्ट ) can it be possible to use in Atmanepadi? Without upasarg can we form तिष्ठते?

But I found other shlokas also. Like when I searched Google, I found other shlokas too. This one is from Matsya Puran.

न मुक्तकेशा तिष्ठेत स्यात् कदाचन।
न सयीतोत्तरशिरा नचापरशिराः क्वचित्।। ७.४२ ।।

How is this prayoga formed?
Should I have asked this in a new thread?
I would do that if needed so.

Thanyou.
Regards
Rishi.

[Hnbhat B.R.]

Better to start a new thread. 1.3.023 प्रकाशनस्थेयाख्ययोश्च इत्यात्मनेपदम्।

[Rishi Goswami]

I got my answer sir.

This sutra went out of my memory. Thankyou for reminding it.
Dhanyavad.