Nov. 9, 2010Respected Scholars, Namaskar!Meaning of "Upadrava".In Saamaveda chanting, we have (1) PrastAva,(2)UdgIta,(3) PratihAra, (4) Upadrava, and (Nidhana). From the book "discovering Vedas" by Dr.Frits Staal.What is the meaning of "Upadrava" here? Any relation to the meaning "trouble" as understood generally of this word? Thanks. N.R.Joshi____________________________________________________________
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अथ चेत्त्वमिमं धर्म्यं संग्रामं न करिष्यसि।
ततः स्वधर्मं कीर्तिं च हित्वा पापमवाप्स्यसि।।
तस्मादुत्तिष्ठ कौन्तेय युद्धाय कृतनिश्चयः।
निराशीर्निर्ममो भूत्वा युध्यस्व विगतज्वरः।। (भ.गी.)
Dear friends,
This is a unique forum for academic gossips, so not being very confident about my Skt. learning, despite my intervention in Vedic Sanskrit I have to share my views intermittently. I agree with Kalyanraman where he suggests up as an adverb denoting proximity. It needs no elaboration. updrava is up+drava. drava derives from dru= to rush --- On Fri, 12/11/10, S. Kalyanaraman <kaly...@gmail.com> wrote: |
नि ind. (Mostly used as a prefix to verbs and nouns, rarely as an adverb or preposition. It is used in the following senses (according to G. M.):-- 1 Low- ness, downward motion ('down', 'under', 'below')धनं तावदसुलभम् H. 1; (fig. also) as in तपोधन, विद्याधन, &c. -2 (a) Any valued possession, an object of affection or endearment, dearest treasure; कष्टं जनः कुलधनैरनुरञ्जनीयः U.1.14; गुरोरपीदं धनमाहिताग्नेः R.2.44; मानधन, अभिमान˚ &c. (b) A valuable article.
My mail was sent while i was composing it. However, in RV usage like devan ih dravat = bring the deities here show that dravat has only remote connection with disturbance. Words denoting quick march have an added connotation of aggression, war, disturbance. So the extended meaning was in line of aakramana, dhaavaa (bolanaa), etc. At a deeper semantic level words denoting movement meant water - sara, sala, salil= water; sara, sarita =river, saraNa - movement, sarpaNa, sarpa, sarakanaa; so dr = water, drava = liquid. The words denoting water have another extended meaning of wealth, so we have draviNa, dravya. Those who through any device melted the ores were dravii which also occurs in RV.
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Dear friends,
Kindly see the supplementary part of my mail, sent just now. I concede that I draw a blank as for ritualistic proprieties are concerned, nor do I have temerity to interpret nidhana. Of course, I may suggest that ad, id, ind, ud, und, etc. have the latent meaning 'water' So does dhana. water is called dhanamdhana and rain-causing Deity is called mahaadhan, agni as a causative factor or rainfall through yajna is dhananjaya, but in usage such as dhannjayo raNe raNe it refers to wealth itself. raNa may not in such cases refer to war-field, but market-place. That which is raNya. But market place because of the assembly of large number of people has an extended meaning war, like samiti, samoha, sangram, sangara.
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On Nov 12, 7:26 pm, Bhagwan Singh <bhagwan...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Dear friends,
> This is a unique forum for academic gossips, so not being very confident about my Skt. learning, despite my intervention in Vedic Sanskrit I have to share my views intermittently. I agree with Kalyanraman where he suggests up as an adverb denoting proximity. It needs no elaboration. updrava is up+drava. drava derives from dru= to rush...
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> --- On Fri, 12/11/10, S. Kalyanaraman <kalya...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: S. Kalyanaraman <kalya...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Semant ics of Sanskrit
> To: bvpar...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, 12 November, 2010, 2:37 AM
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> Semantincs of running and fluidity, liquefication oozing in an alchemical context; upa as prefix connotes nearness, contiguity to निधन. These are the metaphors and puns:
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> dravayitnu [ drâv-ay-i-tnú ] a. melting. [ drava-tâ ] f., -tva, n. wetness; fluidity; fusibility; -tva-ka, n. fluidity; fusibility; -dravya, n. fluid matter; -maya, a. fluid.द्रवक द्रवण a. 1 Running. -2 Oozing, trickling.
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> द्रव a. [द्रु गतौ-भावे अप्] 1 Running (as a horse); सत्यो द्रवो द्रवरः पतङ्गरः Rv.4.4.2. -2 Dropping, oozing, wet, dripping; आक्षिप्य काचिद् द्रवरागमेव (पादम्) R.7.7. -3 Flowing, fluid. -4 Liquid (opp. कठिन); द्रवः संघातकठिनः (असि) Ku.2.11. -5 Melted, liquefied. -वः 1 Going, walking about, motion. -2 Dropping, trickling, oozing, exudation. -3 Flight, retreat. -4 Play, amusement, sport. -5 Fluidity, liquefaction -6 A liquid substance, fluid; द्रव इव हृदयस्य प्रस्तरोद्भेदयोग्यः U.3.25;2.16. -7 Juice, essence; पिबत भागवतं रसमालयम् Bhāg.1.1.3. -8 Decoction./..
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> उप ind. 1 As a prefix to verbs and nouns it express- es towards, near to, by the side of, with, under, down (opp. अप). According to G. M. the following are its senses :-- उपसामीप्यसामर्थ्यव्याप्त्याचार्यकृतिमृतिदोषदानक्रियावीप्सा- रम्भाध्ययनबुजनेषु :-- (1) nearness, contiguity उपविशति, उपगच्छति goes near
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> Respected Scholars, Namaskar!
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> DearShree Narayan Er, many thanks for information on Saan-gaana in Soma yaaga. I appreciate details offered by you But my question was about Upadrava in (प्रस्ताव, उद्गीथ, प्रतिहार, उपद्रव और निधन।).
> Doictionary meaning of Upadrava is trouble etc as posted by Dr. Kalyanraman. What is the meaning of "Upadrava" here in (प्रस्ताव, उद्गीथ, प्रतिहार, उपद्रव और निधन।)? Thanks. N.R.Joshi
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> Subject: Re: {भारतीयविद्वत्परिषत्} Semantics of Sanskrit
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:09:03 +0530
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> सोमयागों के साम–गान की प्रक्रिया अत्यन्त जटिल है। इसलिए यहाँ उसका आंशिक परिचय दे देना आवश्यक है। साम–गान दो भागों में विभक्त हैं– पूर्वगान और उत्तरगान। पूर्वगान में ग्रामेगेयगान और अरण्येगेयगान नाम से दो भाग हैं। इन्हें प्रकृतिगान भी कहते हैं। सोमयाग में उत्तरगानों का ही मुख्यतया व्यवहार होता है। ये सामवेद के उत्तरार्चिक पर आधृत हैं जिसके 20 अध्यायों पर ऊह और
> ऊह्यगान प्राप्त होते हैं। उत्तरगानों के 'ऊह' और 'ऊह्य' नाम इनके विचारपूर्वक गान होने की सूचना देते हैं। सोमयागों में उद्गातृ–मण्डल इनका पाँच अथवा साप्तभक्तिक रूप में आगान करता है। ये पाँच विभक्तियाँ क्रमश: इस प्रकार हैं– प्रस्ताव, उद्गीथ, प्रतिहार, उपद्रव और निधन। इन्हीं में ओङ्कार और हिङ्कार का समावेश करने से इनकी संख्या सात हो जाती है। प्रस्तोता प्रतिहर्त्ता और
> उद्गाता अपने–अपने भागों का गान करते हैं। अन्तिम निधन भक्ति का गान समवेत स्वर में होता है। किसी सामविशेष में कितना–कितना भाग किस ऋत्विक् के द्वारा गेय है, यही विचार वस्तुत: 'ऊह' है। वह आधारभूत ऋचा, जिस पर साम (गान) आधृत होता है, 'योनि' या 'सामयोनि' कहलाती है। ऊह और ऊह्य गानगततृच की प्रथम स्तोत्रीय ऋक् ग्रामेगेयगान या अरण्येगेयगान के एकर्च गान के सदृश होती है और अन्य दो
> स्तोत्रीय ऋचाओं में वही ज्ञान अपनाया जाता है जो प्रथम स्तोत्रीय ऋचा में होता है। इस प्रकार उत्तरगान में सामान्यत: एक स्तोत्र का सम्पादन तीन ऋचाओं से होता है। इसे ही 'प्रगाथ' भी कहा जाता है। इन्हीं तृच रूप स्तोत्रों का आवृत्तिपूर्वक गान 'स्तोत' है– 'आवृत्तियुक्तं तत्साम स्तोम इत्यभिधीयते। स्तोमों की कुल संख्या नौ है– त्रिवृत, पञ्चदश, सप्तदश, एकविंश, त्रिणव,
> त्रयस्त्रिंश, चतुर्विंश, चतुश्चत्वारिंश तथा अष्टचत्वारिंश। स्तोमों के विभिन्न प्रकारों को ‘विष्टुति’ कहा जाता है। 'पञ्चपञ्चिनी', 'उद्यती', 'कुलायिनी' इत्यादि विभिन्न विष्टुतियाँ हैं, जिनका विशेष विवरण ताण्ड्यमहाब्राह्मण में है।
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