shankaracharya पारमार्थिक सत् and व्यावहारिक सत्

[Jyoti Raj]

Does shankaracharya differentiate between पारमार्थिक सत्  and व्यावहारिक सत् ? 

if yes then from where i can get it ?

my teacher wants to know about it because he says these concepts came later in the vedanta ...

i gave the reference एकस्यैव तु भेदव्यवहार उपाधिकृतः, यथा घटाकाशो महाकाश इति । (ब्रह्मसूत्र १.२.३०, शाङ्करभाष्य) but he is not ready to accept it ... 

if i am right kindly provide me the reference and if i am wrong then kindly suggest me the right way. 

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Jyoti Raj

Research Scholar

Dept. of Sanskrit 

Delhi University

[Vidyasankar Sundaresan]

Please consult the bhAshya on bRhadAraNyaka maitreyI brAhmaNa - yatra tu dvaitam iva bhavati ... yatra tv asya sarvam AtmaivAbhUt ... and the mUrtAmUrta brAhmaNa - neti neti ... satyasya satyam. These are just two instances out of a vast number in the prasthAnatraya commentaries.

Or, go to http://sanskritdocuments.org and follow the link to upadeSasAhasrI. There are many occurrences of vyavahAre, vyavahArA and vyavahita, as also vyavasthita, vyavadhAna and vyavasyati.

Vidyasankar

[Jyoti Raj]

respected sir,

may i have the clear reference with the sutra sankhya n all ?

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[Ajit Gargeshwari]

Reading sutras isolated or bereft of context will not help one to see the context of the sutras and understand them . Please ask you teacher about methodology of reading Sutras and bhashyas in Sanskrit works. That might help

Regards
Ajit Gargeshwari
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[Nagaraj Paturi]

The issue can be divided into two aspects:

 

1. S'ankara's methodology of handling the explanation of reality by different śāstras : In this aspect śankara's approach of dividing śāstras into śāstras dealing with 'natural-reality' and śāstras dealing with 'supernatural reality'. His advice is to take recourse to śāstras of supernatural reality only when issues of that reality are discussed and to handle all the  'natural-reality' related issues with the help of śāstras dealing with that reality. This methodology is found used by him right from the upōdghāta to jagadvyāpārādhikaraṇam in sūtrabhāṣya and all other books of him, with or without using the  words 'vyāvahārika' and 'pāramārthika'.

 

2. The use of the exact words 'vyāvahārika' and 'pāramārthika'

 

Are  you are looking for the #2 ?

 

Nagaraj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prof.Nagaraj Paturi

Hyderabad-500044

[V Subrahmanian]

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Jyoti Raj <jyotir...@gmail.com> wrote:

Does shankaracharya differentiate between पारमार्थिक सत्  and व्यावहारिक सत् ? 

if yes then from where i can get it ?

my teacher wants to know about it because he says these concepts came later in the vedanta ...

This post is solely aimed at providing the information requested by the above member along with some links for more references. 

One significant place where Shankaracharya has used both the words 'paramarthika' and 'vyāvahārika'  is the Taittiriyopaniṣad bhāṣya for the mantra segment: सत्यं चानृतं च सत्यमभवत्’ -

While commenting on the mantra सत्यं च अनृतं च सत्यमभवत् ”satyam cha anRtam cha Satyam abhavat’ (Taittiriya Up. II.6) Sri Shankaracharya says: satyam = vyavaharavishayam since this is being mentioned in the context of ‘sRishti’ of the world. He adds: this is not paramArthasatyam (absolute reality) since Brahman alone indeed is paramArtha satyam. This vyavaharavishayam satyam is only Apekshikam, relative, empirical.
He explains: when compared to the water in a mirage, the water (that we actually use for drinking, etc.) is real. This is what is meant by ‘vyavaharika satyam’.
That which is not thus real is anRtam, unreal.
सत्यं च व्यवहारविषयम्, अधिकारात्, न परमार्थसत्यम्; एकमेव हि परमार्थसत्यं ब्रह्म । इह पुनः व्यवहारविषयमापेक्षिकं मृगतृष्णिकाद्यनृतापेक्षया उदकादि सत्यमित्युच्यते । अनृतं च तद्विपरीतम् । किं पुनरेतत् सर्वं सत्यमभवत् परमार्थसत्यम् ।//satyam cha vyavahaaraviShayam, adhikArAt, na paramaarthasatyam; ekameva hi paramaarthasatyam Brahma. iha punaH vyavahaaraviShayamaapekShikam mRgatRShNikAdyanRtaapekShayA udakAdi satyamucyate. anRutam cha tadvipareetam. kim punaretat sarvam satyamabhavat paramArthasatyam…//

See here for a more detailed explanation:

http://adbhutam.wordpress.com/2010/02/17/paramarthika-vyavaharika-satyam/

In this link you will find a number of uses of the terms 'pāramārthika' and 'vyāvahārika' in its several variations:

http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/search-result.php

http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/search-result.php

http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/search-result.php

regards
subrahmanian.v

   

i gave the reference एकस्यैव तु भेदव्यवहार उपाधिकृतः, यथा घटाकाशो महाकाश इति । (ब्रह्मसूत्र १.२.३०, शाङ्करभाष्य) but he is not ready to accept it ... 

if i am right kindly provide me the reference and if i am wrong then kindly suggest me the right way. 

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Jyoti Raj

Research Scholar

Dept. of Sanskrit 

Delhi University

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[V Subrahmanian]

2014-07-30 12:57 GMT+05:30 V Subrahmanian <v.subra...@gmail.com>:

In this link you will find a number of uses of the terms 'pāramārthika' and 'vyāvahārika' in its several variations:

http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/search-result.php

http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/search-result.php

http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/php/search-result.php

I regret to mention that the above links do not take one to the desired page.  I would advise those willing to know all the places in the prasthānatraya bhāṣya  where the required words to make a 'search' using the 'anveṣanam' facility in the

http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net/

after duly registering.  The search words 'pāramārthika', 'paramārtha', 'vyavahāra', 'vyāvahārika' can give one innumerable instances of the use of these terms in the bhāṣya literature.

regards
subrahmanian.v

[Jyoti Raj]

respected sir, i m looking for exact words 'vyāvahārika' and 'pāramārthika' in shaankarbhashya..

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:23 PM, Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:

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The issue can be divided into two aspects:

 

1. S'ankara's methodology of handling the explanation of reality by different śāstras : In this aspect śankara's approach of dividing śāstras into śāstras dealing with 'natural-reality' and śāstras dealing with 'supernatural reality'. His advice is to take recourse to śāstras of supernatural reality only when issues of that reality are discussed and to handle all the  'natural-reality' related issues with the help of śāstras dealing with that reality. This methodology is found used by him right from the upōdghāta to jagadvyāpārādhikaraṇam in sūtrabhāṣya and all other books of him, with or without using the  words 'vyāvahārika' and 'pāramārthika'.

 

2. The use of the exact words 'vyāvahārika' and 'pāramārthika'

 

Are  you are looking for the #2 ?

 

Nagaraj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

Sharing snapshots of relevant pages. In the first one, I highlighted. in the second one, the first line  of the Bhashya.

Just a few from many, as Sri V. Subrahmanianji has listed.

Best,

Nagaraj

[Nagaraj Paturi]

Snapshots are from 2.1.14 and 3.2.38

Nagaraj

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

The previous ones are from Sutrabhashya. 

Now sharing Taittiriyopanishadbhashya as mentioned by Sri V. Subrahmanian.

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[Vidyasankar Sundaresan]

 

No sUtra sankhyA. I'm referring to the corresponding upanishad bhAshya. If, as Sri Subrahmanian has suggested, you log on to http://advaitasharada.sringeri.net, you can use the search feature, select the brahmasUtra bhAshya and look for occurrences of the terms you are interested in. However, one definitely has to look beyond the brahmasUtra bhAshya, to get a bigger picture of Sankara's thinking, so you might as well use the search feature on the other bhAshyas as well.

 

Best regards,

Vidyasankar 

[Nagaraj Paturi]

"Reading sutras isolated or bereft of context will not help one to see the context of the sutras and understand them . Please ask you teacher about methodology of reading Sutras and bhashyas in Sanskrit works. That might help"

 

-Right timely caution.

 

Regards,

 

Nagaraj

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Ajit Gargeshwari <ajit.gar...@gmail.com> wrote:

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