Also correct me if i am wrong , but i noticed 2 firsts in the case of hindi films here, the mention of an utterly debauched nawab who has no interest in women and secondly a lesbian couple riding into the sunset leaving the male admirers behind. Never thought, i would get to see this in hindi films.
@abhirup- sure, homosexuality is natural. but i guess at times it also exists because of the absence of heterosexual partner or because of a loving homosexual. examples- Fire movie and fashion movie. but in real life, i assume suh relations would be ephemeral. not sure.
I think that the makers wanted to go a little subtle\palatable on the lesbian aspect. Remember what happened with Fire?. So they needed to add that angle about an uncaring husband and loneliness bringing them together. All said and done its still a mainstream commercial film and they still had the guts to show them riding away together at the end..I am no expert on lesbianism, but i do believe that its not impossible for 2 heterosexual women to bond together like that and the makers have the liberty of showing such a relationship.Its also necessary for the heterosexual love affairs(naseer -madhuri, arshad-huma) to be convincing as well. Yeah but you are right about the homosexual aspect of their relationship. Its very much out there.But i dont agree with your view that a very stereotypically offensive portrait of gay men is presented. I mean from time immemorial, the nawabs have been portraid as debauched womanizers in our movies , so what if a different sexual orientation is presented here.Stereotypification is more on nawabs rather than about gay men IMO.
Well i compared those 2 actresses because there was a lot of talk about vidya being a better actress than madhuri period, over here as well as in other sites as well were dedh ishqya was been discussed and it was quite heartbreaking for me ? considering what a madhuri nut i am.Yeah you are right about the actors doing different kind of movies and perhaps mrityudand was the closest that madhuri came to doing a vidya kind of role and i liked her very much in that. But her real strength lie in beta,HAHK,Tezaab kind of roles where she is more of a star performer than just a pure character actor which is what Vidya is.Guess its sort of like comparing cary grant and dustin hoffman
And why do i sense this extreme hesitation in admitting to the homsexuality in the film. You were the last person i expected to be timid about it. Its the 21st century remember.We are actually discussing article 377 in the streets.
The second scene that reminded me of Sholay was the last scene in D.I where muniya asks Babban for the gun lying in the middle, at railway station had similar parallels with Sholay where veeru asks Thakur to pass him gun in the train during fight with the dacaits.
All in all a very bold theme in a very hatkey hindi movie worthy of a second watch to get the nuances out. For instance, was begum once a nauch girl (mujara girl) in her youth? Was she someone who had seen a lot in her life before even getting married to the gay/uncaring nawab who saddled her with lot of debts and had to fend for herself against lecherous men? If she was doing Swyamvars for all these years what was the urgency to select a groom this very year? How did Khalujaan, a common thief suddenly become a high class poet.
I went to the movie for Madhuri, more than anyone/anything else. Her dance solo was an enjoyable affair, but I was unhappy with her character sketch. Like you said, there was no understanding of her psyched up nerves.
And you definitely see a Tarantino-esque black comedy with the goons and guns, which now has become a regular Vishal Baradwaj feature. I am not very happy about it, except for its ability to execute itself well. I would appreciate something more original.
Yeah the nawab and begum pulling a wool on the rest of the world, well that would make a really entertaining movie. May be that could be a plot for DO ISHQYA ? . This alternate sexuality is a new phenomenon in our films and we will have to wait for sometime before we could get to see them handled in a more intelligent and mature way.Remember how long it took to address sensitive issues like terrorism, Inter religious relations even marital relations and adultery etc in our movies which were all stereotyped in our movies for such a long time(And in many instances still going on).
Oh by the way , i keenly followed that theological kutcheri that you conducted with Sanjay.Must say that much of the points that you made while defending the epics were very much keeping with my feelings , but you did it with great efficiency and with great egs and such dogged determination that i could never have.matched it. So i never butted in.. Not that points made by sanjay were not valid , they definitely were but i do believe that there are many positives in our epics or the Gita as i have read them.Anyway how can we madhuri lovers denounce the epics or the goddesses as she is actually one. ?
With Dedh Ishqiya, director Abhishek Chaubey has cracked a tricky formula of marrying a masala film with chaste Urdu culture. He tells Kareena N Gianani why the film never loses the plot when it comes to the attitude he wanted the film to carry
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I had read the short story, but I missed the reference when I saw the movie. Still I got the homosexual relationship between the two women. Muniya (HQ) silent looks at the Begum (MD) and the scene that unfolds after Muniya spends her night with Babban is clear enough.
The song from Chitralekha was perfect for me. The way it was structured, the farmaish on the radio brought back memories. The song and the first two lines (man re tu kaahe na dheer dhare, woh nirmohi moh na jaane jinka moh kare) fit perfectly to the scenes that unfolded with it.
The kissing scene between Babban and Krishna was more intense with Ishqiya (I saw it after DI), because both the characters felt the emotion. The kissing scene was different in DI because Muniya will do anything to realise her plan. This is my take on the difference between both
Tags: dedh ishqiya begum para munniya madhuri dixit huma qureshi femslash related stuff muslim lgbt bollywood the kana post before got me thinking about f/f in bollywood and I was thinking about the various ways the west has contributed to muslim lgbt rep there is no mainstream muslim f/f content produced by a country with a significant number of muslims except this moment here that is a sobering thought despite shabana azmi being muslim (nod to her) fire is about hindus qissa is sikh angry indian goddesses...I mean...can we say it's mainstream if not a single actress would get cast in a farah khan cameo filled musical? like if you're not going to put the weight of bollywood with the names and the budget behind it but madhuri! well one of the iconic bollywood actresses of all time I feel like...this moment is so clear to me and yet I hardly ever see it discussed in the reviews about it not dragging angry indian goddessess! just...mainstream implies a certain level of commitment and risk indie movies and web series are trying but I want the top studios and networks
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