Office 2010
Al
George Ellis
Hi Al,
I am using the BugsXLA50 on Win 7, Office 2010 and it runs fine. I too have sometimes experienced problems with Windows Explorer 9 when I download files (but not from Phil Woodward’s site). You may want to try selecting the Run or Open option instead of the Save option in the download dialog box. However, I would recommend accessing http://bugsxla.philwoodward.co.uk/download.html with a different browser (e.g. Mozilla Firefox) and try the download with that browser.
Also, when you are successful with the download, you may want to right-click the BugsXLA50.exe and select “Run as administrator” to unzip the contents. The reason for this is that the default extract location is your C:\Program Files directory, which – correctly – has strong Security settings and therefore requires Administrator Write privileges .
Cheers,
George
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Al
George Ellis
Hi Al,
Perhaps I do not fully understand your difficulties.
Let me walk through what I see when I use IE9 to download the BugsXLA.exe file from Phil Woodward’s site – just so I can make sure I understand where your process differs from mine.
When I am on the Download page (http://bugsxla.philwoodward.co.uk/download.html) and I hover over the “Download BugsXLA v5.0 (beta) (2011 Apr 17)” link, I see “http:// bugsxla.philwoodward.co.uk/files/BugsXLA50.exe” in the message bar at the bottom of Explorer 9. When I left-click on the download link I get a pop-up from IE9 which asks “Do you want to run or save BugsXLA50.exe ….”.
Now there are three options: Run, Save (with a drop down menu indicator) and Cancel.
I always use the dropdown menu so that I can select “Save as”, which permits me to determine the location to which I want the file downloaded. If you click Save directly (or from the dropdown selection) the file will be stored in the default location currently set in IE9. (The default location – if it has not been changed – is your Downloads subdirectory in your User Directory on your system drive. You can change this by selecting Tools/View Downloads and options or Ctrl+J and the options selection at the bottom left of the pop-up. By the way, this should also show you your recent downloads).
(Now, back at Phil’s download page, you can also right-click when you hover over the file download and select “Save target as …” from the pop-up context menu and select your download location.)
Now, from your e-mail… I think you have already accomplished all this and my understanding is that you have located the downloaded BugsXLA50.exe file and that you have double-clicked on that file to automatically unzip the contents (or, as mentioned, you have right-clicked and chosen “Run as administrator” from the context menu). Now, when I do this: I get a “WinZip Self-Extractor – BugsXLA50.exe” pop-up that indicates the folder to which the files will be unzipped by default. This will be you C:\Program Files directory – where the process will create a new sub-folder “WinBugsXLA50”. (Like your computer, my computer has two Program File directories – one meant for 64-bit apps and another for 32-bit apps. Mine are C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).) In any case, the default will be the location shown in the text box of the a “WinZip Self-Extractor – BugsXLA50.exe” pop-up. You can change this by selecting the Browse button – but I would leave it at the default.
After the file extraction completes (and assuming there are no file permission issues as elsewhere documented): You should be able to navigate to the “WinBugsXLA50” subdirectory in whichever is your selected C:\Program Files location. If your Windows Explorer is set to sort your directory contents alphabetically, the WinBugsXLA50 folder should probably be very close to you WinBUGS14 directory (if you installed WinBUGS into that same Program Files directory structure – as directed by the WinBUGS install notes at http://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/bugs/winbugs/contents.shtml, as follows:
- Download and install WinBUGS14.exe
- If installing on a 64-bit machine, you should download a zipped version of the whole file structure and unzip it into Program Files or wherever you want it.
If you are at this stage – and your e-mail suggests you may be at this point: Then, you will NOT find an “.exe” (executable) file in this directory. Here, you will find the Excel add-on (.xla) that you will install according to the standard Excel procedures for locating and activating Add-Ons (as Phil documents on his site and in his book). You will also find the Excel spreadsheets with examples from the book and from WinBUGS.
I hope this helps us both locate your difficulty more precisely. Let me know how it goes.
Regards,
George
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Al
Many thanks for the step-by-step guidance. That was very helpful.
It turns out the "Run as Administrator" did the trick for me.
After I had downloaded the software, even though the self-extractor
had indicated the downloaded file was going to be in C:\Program files,
it was nowhere to be found there, but in my downloads folder. i was
also getting weird error messages like "not enough permission", etc.
I was also getting confused with the two "Program files" (the regular
one and the x86 one), not knowing where it would be more advantageous
(speed, etc.) to place the file. My sense is that the regular "Program
Files" is the default. Maybe you can help me understand what the x86
one may be used for.
At this time I am happy to report that the software is up and running
on my system.
Again, many thanks
Al
On Jan 11, 11:56 am, "George Ellis" <geo...@deepdivebi.ca> wrote:
> Hi Al,
>
> Perhaps I do not fully understand your difficulties.
>
> Let me walk through what I see when I use IE9 to download the BugsXLA.exe file from Phil Woodward’s site – just so I can make sure I understand where your process differs from mine.
>
> Now there are three options: Run, Save (with a drop down menu indicator) and Cancel.
>
> I always use the dropdown menu so that I can select “Save as”, which permits me to determine the location to which I want the file downloaded. If you click Save directly (or from the dropdown selection) the file will be stored in the default location currently set in IE9. (The default location – if it has not been changed – is your Downloads subdirectory in your User Directory on your system drive. You can change this by selecting Tools/View Downloads and options or Ctrl+J and the options selection at the bottom left of the pop-up. By the way, this should also show you your recent downloads).
>
> (Now, back at Phil’s download page, you can also right-click when you hover over the file download and select “Save target as …” from the pop-up context menu and select your download location.)
>
> Now, from your e-mail… I think you have already accomplished all this and my understanding is that you have located the downloaded BugsXLA50.exe file and that you have double-clicked on that file to automatically unzip the contents (or, as mentioned, you have right-clicked and chosen “Run as administrator” from the context menu). Now, when I do this: I get a “WinZip Self-Extractor – BugsXLA50.exe” pop-up that indicates the folder to which the files will be unzipped by default. This will be you C:\Program Files directory – where the process will create a new sub-folder “WinBugsXLA50”. (Like your computer, my computer has two Program File directories – one meant for 64-bit apps and another for 32-bit apps. Mine are C:\Program Files and C:\Program Files (x86).) In any case, the default will be the location shown in the text box of the a “WinZip Self-Extractor – BugsXLA50.exe” pop-up. You can change this by selecting the Browse button – but I would leave it at the default.
>
> After the file extraction completes (and assuming there are no file permission issues as elsewhere documented): You should be able to navigate to the “WinBugsXLA50” subdirectory in whichever is your selected C:\Program Files location. If your Windows Explorer is set to sort your directory contents alphabetically, the WinBugsXLA50 folder should probably be very close to you WinBUGS14 directory (if you installed WinBUGS into that same Program Files directory structure – as directed by the WinBUGS install notes athttp://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/bugs/winbugs/contents.shtml, as follows:
>
> * If installing on a 64-bit machine, you should download a zipped version of the whole file structure <http://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk/bugs/winbugs/winbugs14.zip> and unzip it into Program Files or wherever you want it.
> If you are at this stage – and your e-mail suggests you may be at this point: Then, you will NOT find an “.exe” (executable) file in this directory. Here, you will find the Excel add-on (.xla) that you will install according to the standard Excel procedures for locating and activating Add-Ons (as Phil documents on his site and in his book). You will also find the Excel spreadsheets with examples from the book and from WinBUGS.
>
> I hope this helps us both locate your difficulty more precisely. Let me know how it goes.
>
> Regards,
>
> George
>
> From: bug...@googlegroups.com [mailto:bug...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Al
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:18 PM
> To: bug...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Office 2010
>
> Hi George:
>
> Thanks for the hints; I will definitely try them out and post back.
>
> I became confused when I could not find the .exe file anywhere on my computer after it had self-extracted. Please note that my computer has Program Files and Program Files (x64) I think. Neither folder had the executable. Then I thought Windows 7 might have been playing me a trick. I must say I was using IE9 I think. I am pretty sure I tried Chrome as well, with little luck. I will try Firefox. I appreciate the hint about "running as admin", coz several times I had an error message that I did not have "permission" or administrator rights, something bogus like that.
>
> Again, many thanks.
>
> Will let u know
>
> Al
>
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George Ellis
Good news.
You are best to "Google" the subject of "2 Program Folders on Windows 7" to
answer your question on that subject. You may want to try Guidelines and
Best Practices documentation in order to really answer your question.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/cc185688(v=VS.85).as
px
Most Intel-based computers today have 64-bit CPUs. On these systems,
Windows installs as a 64-bit Operating System. Nonetheless, Microsoft has
engineered the 64-bit OS to support both applications engineered for 64-bit
and 32-bit platforms. The two separate Program Files folders provide a
default location for programs designed to run in a 32-bit environment and
those engineered to take advantage of the larger memory space addressability
of 64-bit applications. A well-behaved installer will install its
application in the appropriate directory path. This is, however, not a
mandatory or iron-clad behavior. It appears to be a guideline or preferred
mode of installation and operation. Some applications will install both
32-bit and 64-bit versions of their software -- and maybe not even in the
Program Files directories. (For example, the Enthought Python distribution
or the R statistics software. By default, Python installs in its directory
outside the Program Files folders and R installs in Program Files - but has
separate binaries directories for i386 and x64 versions.)
Many applications provide both 64-bit and 32-bit versions. For example,
Excel can be installed as a 64-bit application or a 32-bit application. By
default, I believe the Office 2010 suite will install the Office apps (such
as Excel) as 32-bit apps on the Win 7 64-bit install. This is done by
default in order to assure compatibility between Excel and the ecosystem of
third-party Excel add-ins and interacting software components, which still
toady are mostly 32-bit based. (You may want to explore your own computer.
You will likely find that your Excel executable installation is in the
Program Files (x86) tree - under Microsoft Office/Office14/ even though
there is also an Microsoft Office/Office14/ under your Program Files
directory.
I think the best way to think about the two Program Files directories is
simply the way you think about your own folders and directories. Folders
organize data, applications, etc. Just as you organize your work into
directories and subdirectories, so too does the Microsoft OS install a
directory structure for its multitude of file types. This permits Microsoft
to keep its files organized according to its logic. It is up to you and
3-party users to decide whether or not to use this default structure, or
not. There is usually a choice and I do not know of any mandatory
requirements. I am sure there are programs that have (or expect)
"hard-wired" references to specific folder structures and their contents
(such as *.dll and other shared files) and therefore it is usually best to
NOT tamper with "defaults". However, in the case of "add-ons" such as
BugsXLA, Excel really does not care where the .xla file is located (because,
you as the user need to manually intervene and point to where it is
located).
Well, Al, I have gone too far and I am sure I still have not answered you
question. Really, you are best to "Bing" or "Google" the topic .
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