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Now we have real problems! Before having an opinion, I have some questions.
What's the infrastructure for the mobile sites? They will have only local network connection or they will have any internet access by chance?
Will ITFP and ATFP sites use the buendia server? If they do, is there any guarantee they will use the same version?
How often these transfer happens? Is it common or exception? Is possible to a patient being transferred from one ATFP to another ATFP? Is there any specific law regarding patient data store? Or patient data transfer?
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Now we have real problems! Before having an opinion, I have some questions.
What's the infrastructure for the mobile sites? They will have only local network connection or they will have any internet access by chance?
Will ITFP and ATFP sites use the buendia server? If they do, is there any guarantee they will use the same version?
How often these transfer happens? Is it common or exception?
Is possible to a patient being transferred from one ATFP to another ATFP?
Is there any specific law regarding patient data store? Or patient data transfer?
Reggie,I love how thoroughly you are thinking through this problem of patient identification!These are all good ideas.I just wanted to share a few thoughts and challenges to each of these, based on what I've heard from Ivan and clinicians we've been interviewing:Fingerprints - promising, as I don't believe they change much in pattern after a certain age (key question: what is that age? these programmes are for children 6mo - 5 years old) or at least the change is just in size and there should be matching algorithms that are invariant to size. Would need dedicated fingerprint scanning hardware.(idea: we could match the mother instead of the child, then ask the name of the child - only issue would be when a different carer brings the child in e.g. a different family member)Iris scan - would it be possible to do this just with smartphone/tablet camera in macro mode? would be cool not to need any dedicated hardware!Names - tricky for several reasons:- there may be lots of similar names - especially in Muslim countries where one patient might be called "Mohamed Adam Mohamed" and another might be called "Adam Mohamed Mohamed"- they sometimes give their names in different orders- with Ebola they would sometimes give fake names due to the stigma (same may apply with Tuberculosis and HIV)- sometimes families don't name their children until they are a few years old, as there is a high chance of losing them - really sad :-(Anatomical characteristics - these will change a lot with young children, and would also be influenced by sickness.Location names - these are often really hard to match. There may be lots of different local names for the same place, sometimes people might just describe where they are from as "on the other side of the river, walk for some time until you see a big Mango tree". Ivan can share a lot more about that problem!!It seems to me simpler (and easier to understand and use) to have one method of identification that's relatively reliable - fingerprint or iris scan seem most promising - rather than a combination of various factors.Of course in the best case they come in with their discharge note or wristband from last time, with the Patient ID on it. That's only going to happen rarely though!Dan
Hi Dan
Thanks for The answers! Although, I forgot to ask other important questions: How many patients we have to sync? How many facilities needs to be synced? And is it possibly to a patient being transferred from an ITFP to other ITFP?
Reggie,
Yeah, there are lots of challenges when doing sync of patient data. Later today, I will describe some of them in depth :)
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I don't know much about iris recognition. But have in mind, OpenMrs doesn't have any feature related to that. Also we need to understand if it is doable to scan iris for every single patient. I assume that's not easy when a patient is unconscious.
I have great concerns in increase complexity from the beginning. I would rather start with something more simple like Rodrigo suggested and then move to iris scan later on, if that makes sense.
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Now I have more time about why I am so concerned about sync.It is quite complicatedTo illustrate that, I'll give you an example. Most hospitals in US do not share patient data in an automated fashion. They use fax to do it. Can you believe it? They do because sync patient data is hard, here is why:1) Legislation: Patient data is extremely confidential and every country treat this slightly different from another. In some countries you need to get explicitly authorisation from patients to be able to share their information with anyone. Other countries gives you lots of constraints in how and where to store.
2) Security: Because the patient data is extremely confidential, security should be treated with extreme care. If any information is leaked, it can have serious impact on the hospital/organisation.
3) Scale: If you are talking big countries, you have lots and lots of data. One patient can have all sorts of data stored, everything from basic patient information to diagnoses, visits, orders, drugs, doctors and etc. So get all that data and multiply by thousands or even millions of people. If you use Brazil and US as an example this is already huge, but in countries like India this is extreme.
Also, there is another aspect of scale: facilities. How many facilities will have access to this information? All of them will have access to all patient data? Is there any control? If so, how is it implemented? How facilities will have access to that information? Will they sync in their local database? How many copies of this confidential data you will have across the country? Is this secure? Access to an central database is an option? As you can see, there are many and many implications regarding scale.
4) Standards: Although, in healthcare informatics there are some established protocols, there is no existing protocol to sync patient data (HL7 should be able to do fix this, but I haven't heard yet people using it for this). So if facilities have different applications, how will they be able to share data?
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