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[Ali H]

Ideas on stopping Indian presence in Chahbahar? Should we play game with Iranians by siding with Saudis cautiously for a while? Ideas...Should we task ISI with it? Should we seal the border? should we send spies of our own?

[Syed Nadir Hassan]

Dear I am not questioning your patriotism, but I think its time to realize our strength and weakness as independent nation. We have trade relations with all neighboring countries. For example check wiki:

Power Transmissions[edit]

Tehran has provided €50 million for laying of 170Km transmission line for the import of 1000MW of electricity from Iran in 2009. Pakistan is already importing 34MW of electricity daily from Iran. The imported electricity is much cheaper than the electricity produced by the Independent Power Producers (IPPs) because Iran subsidises oil and gas which feed the power plants.^[72] Iran has also offered to construct a motorway between Iran and Pakistan connecting the two countries.^[73]

So, when you want to hurt them, you must first stand on your own feet, make our self really independent and then strike, and we have to do it by our-self and very quickly. Do a check with inter-related SWOT analysis with Saudia and Iran and then we need a leadership and people.

We need to realize on our resources and form policies with our SWOTs and then make policies to deal with. We have no foreign minister, can you think the level of stupidity we are into.

We need a true visionary leadership to deal with diplomatic crisis we are into.

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[Ali H]

Ur a useful idiot for Iran, thats all. Iran exports their crude to india and buys back refined. They begged US to forgive them and did't make the nuclear bomb. Iran thrives on disinformation. Naturally they have oil so their electricity production would be cheaper. We should demand our land back which we gave to Iran during Ayub Era on the name of Goodwill treaty.

[Ali H]

Iran is directly responsible for what happened in Afghanistan from 87-92. If u love Iran so much u should go to Iran. Pakistan is for Pakistanis. we still remember how they eye Baluchistan after our 1971 defeat.Don't even get me started on our "Muslim Brethren". We are on our own feet, we are not Banana(or Oil) republic like Iran or KSA

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[Ali H]

SWOT analysis? lol.. If we allow US to use our soil against Iran Iran would collapse in weeks. You think we have no options.Now time would tell

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I can also make some funny comments on you, but I am not like you.

All I was saying that why with only Iran we should break our relation? We need aggressive foreign policy to tackle the situation. How will you try to get that land back? All right, assume you are 'the decision maker', what strategy will you follow ... ?

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[Syed Nadir Hassan]

What make you feel that I love Iran ?

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[Syed Nadir Hassan]

Now you sound like you love USA? It was mistake by Pakistan to allow its soil to use against Afghanistan and see what price we are still paying. You want to make that mistake again, and that is too against Iran, who is secret ally of USA?

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[Ali H]

Oh brother, if u think we let our territory against Afghanistan. I really can not help u. I can only say its utter nonsense
Our trade deficit is a long term issue and we are better then the lazy neighbors
to answer u, naturally Iran is an Oil rich economy so electricity would be cheaper(common sense)

[Ali H]

Me? I am not leadership material, but since u asked, fourth gen war and then cold start with the help of forces hostile to iran ..Hostile diplomatic maneuvers, I would probably use NATO and a very angry Russia. Irani army can not defend against foreign incursion, its all talk and nothing else. But again I am not suggesting it. there are many ways. But I am not suggesting we go to war with Iran. Although if they can side with Mushrikeen e Hind for their petty interests whats the harm in using Ahl e Kitab to defend ourselves;) There is a lot of dissent in Iran against the regime which can be used. Hypothetically of course. Just brain storming

And about diplomatic relations, we have nothing to lose if we break diplomatic relations with Iran really. Almost nothing economically. They have a lot to lose, for one thing we would get rid of the thankless job of representing Iran in US which we have been doing as a favor since 1979, let India do it.

[Ali H]

This, I was afraid of. Pakistanis as a nation can be your best friend or your worst nightmare. I  have studied European diplomacy in the aristocratic era very closely. You should never hurt the national sentiment of a nation to the level that it decides to inflict pain on u on a very high cost. French alliance with Russia before the first world war is a very good example.

[Syed Nadir Hassan]

How you can say Pakistan did not let US use Pakistani soil?

 - NATO supplies goes from Pakistan

 - Our air space was used

 - At least two of air bases in Sindh was used for drones launch

Please explain...

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[Ali H]

Apples and oranges.both scenarios can not be compared
After afghans refused to try or hand over bin laden we declared neutrality and gave US passage to fight Afghans under the threat of invasion.

[Syed Nadir Hassan]

Are you sure we were "Neutral" ?

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Apples and oranges.both scenarios can not be compared
After afghans refused to try or hand over bin laden we declared neutrality and gave US passage to fight Afghans under the threat of invasion.

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[Ali H]

Yes, Pakistan armed forces were not part of any combat operation. Have u studied either history or IR? The kind of neutrality you are talking about is almost impossible in the context of world politics. Spain for example was in theory neutral in ww2 and saved Spain from destruction caused by war, however he did send the so called "blue division" to fight alongwith Nazis. He carefully walked on the thread of neutrality, deploying all his diplomatic skills to keep Spain out of war. Turkey was neutral during ww2, however they had to supply l raw  materials(critical  to nazis war effort) to avoid an invasion.
Zaid sb has explained again and again the scenario due to which we gave passage to US. Plz refer to his videos on youtube

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[Syed Nadir Hassan]

It is observed that you present your idea, you argue in that favor, than your comments become your own counter argument and in circle you revolve.

I didn't remember ZH only explain why Pak did that. But he also maintain his instance what should be done at that time and what should be we doing now.

Any way, I argue no more. Don't want to waste more of your time.

 

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[Ali H]

apples and oranges, the whole comparison is wrong. Are u saying that we helped US destroy Taliban so its Halaal for Iran to collaborate with India to harm us?  Didn't Iran almost attack Taliban in 1998?

[Syed Nadir Hassan]

I said I will, not argue any more, but you seems not to be accepting. So, here it is:

No, I did not said we helped, but we tackle the situation with wrong judgement and with wrong policies.

My dear, it is obvious for every country to take side with her friend country and destroy her enemy. But every thing comes at cost.

If you want any country to be side with, you need to pay the price, whether it Saudia Arabia or any "چیچو کی ملیاں "

And we already paid very heavy price. 

Don't you know what would be the price for bringing Saudi to our side? 

Don't you know what is the price for CPEC? 

All I am saying that we should strengthen ourselves. We should become our friends. We should develop aggressive foreign policy. 

Don't you think that we need that and dumping Iran will be enough?

Lets see what we need:

To tackle USA, we need to pin them by saying diplomatically that act of Shakeel Afridi results in bringing US forces to Pakistan and put a fire fight, it is act of war and Shakeel Afridi will be publicly executed.

To tackle India-Iran economic agreement, we should say that to defend the economic interest of Pakistan, we will go to any extent by hook or by crook.

To tackle Afghan Govt. barking, we must say that if USA can go to any extent to defend itself, whether it invading a country, so we have every right to kill Mullah Fazallulah inside Afghanistan, in a time and manner we decide.

WE HAVE TO SAY IT LOUD AND WE NEED TO MAKE POLICY AGREEMENT. THIS IS WHAT I MEANT. Its all about policy. You will get all the reaction you need to move further in your action.

India is going to stop our water, and you need to dump IRAN only.

USA is running our Govt. and you need to dump IRAN only.

Saudi is giving civil awards to mushrik, and you need to dump IRAN only.

Afghanistan is not doing anything about Fazlullah, and you need to dump IRAN only.

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[Ali H]

Let's start with iran, it would a lot of our problems

[Ali H]

I mean it would solve a lot of our problems